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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 20:22:16 GMT -5
Sorry to everyone in advance for creating drama.  Invalan, farmer is not stupid, nor ignorant. Do you see anyone else here these days telling someone else their postings are ridiculous, and if not, what might that signal to you about what you're writing? Again, you have a comprehension problem, and it bothers you that I noticed it. You have a spelling problem too. , any distanction betwean "you are dispensing ridiculous posts" and "your posts are ridiculous" or "stupidity" (in that context) and "you are stupid" are withoot any meeningful differance.  |
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Post by esponja on Jan 24, 2021 1:24:55 GMT -5
Yes there's so much that is just....fishy. I've also seen the question about whether the virus has been isolated, I have actually seen studies where it looks like it has been, but then other folks talk about 'Koch's postulates'....quite honestly, I'm just not 'expert' enough to know about this side of things. And 'Nightingale'...yes So many questions. I don't know which of them are just terribly inept and corrupt in a typical politician way, and which of them have allegiances to broader globalist interests. And the ongoing psychological manipulation with the constant bombardment of adverts and stupid government speeches.... is just....unbelievable. I don't watch any of them, and as soon as an advert comes on the tv or radio, I turn over straight away. It's blatant NLP.
I would say the most effective thing the government has done, is to brainwash people into blaming each other! It's rife isn't it to extraordinary levels .. It's on the whole worlds mind at some point of the day . Now that is a massive collective of thought patterns .. Whether it's peeps being in fear of the virus or peeps being angry and defiant over it all . I just shake my head at the mainstream b.s. agenda's and like you I switch over when I see as such, I mean you can't make it ûp can you with the t.v. presenters and doctors giving all the advise and scaremongering and then do the bloody opposite  Briefly skimming this thread. Am not in London, my family are. 100% agree with all writen here.... |
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Post by esponja on Jan 24, 2021 1:32:37 GMT -5
It's like you're baiting me ... (I'm sure this wasn't on your mind  ). No matter who's overseeing your health, no matter their competency, your health is only the reflections of your thoughts, emotions, limiting beliefs. Two fold: - your thoughts and emotions about your own health
- your general emotional state: fear, anger, hate are detrimental to your well-being, including your health
When you're ill, that is always a symbolic message that your thoughts are wrong. How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? You don’t know what happens in utero and of course many believe in past life karma etc etc. I have been on healing retreats where people have healed and had remissions by meditating and focusing on healing their energy centres in the body. I wouldn’t have believed it but three of these people have become my friends. The body/mind is not separate. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 24, 2021 2:25:38 GMT -5
Here are some reasons I would feel okay taking the mRNA vaccine. (Though I may not need to because I got immunity the old fashioned way.) 1. Many viruses, including colds, the flu, and covid itself, are RNA viruses. So it's not like RNA is some super-new weird unnatural thing that your body isn't used to seeing. And RNA is produced and destroyed in healthy cells all day. 2. Our understanding of the DNA -> RNA -> protein path is that DNA and RNA code for one protein. It would be very strange if it produced others. 3. Part of why the vaccine approval only took a year is because so many people are sick with covid. I don't think they relaxed their requirements. I think they just got to them faster. It's easier to see if it's working when there are lots of people sick in your placebo group vs your other group that got the vaccine. This may only happen every 100 years, but if starts happening every 5 years, my guess is people are going to push for faster or immediate vaccine approvals. Or we'll develop other anti-viral treatments, from economic necessity. If you want to freak out, read about how easy it is to set up a cheap bio lab and "print" one these viruses. Then look at the stock market effects and ... oh dear. We may need to get better at fighting viruses sooner rather than later... I see a lot of people that want it, and some that don't, and I've listened a lot to both sides. My sense of the situation is that those that don't want it, just have a plain old gut instinct that it's not for them. They then often feel obliged to rationalize that gut instinct, but the rationalization just isn't really that strong, and more often that not they just look a bit wacky. I have no particular reason to doubt its safety (I mean, I do see reports of negative reactions, but that's expected), and yet my gut reaction is just it's not for me. If I had to offer something more than just 'gut instinct' as a reason why not, I would probably say 'religious reasons'. It's not wholly correct, but it's close enough. Trusting gut instinct is irrational and bordering on the mystical. To be clear, I don't experience any urge to try to talk others out of it because I recognize that my gut instinct is just...'mine'. Everyone is different. I don't feel 'pleased' when I hear others have had it (e.g my sister has had it), I'm more just like....'okay, fair enough' like if they told me they had a sandwich for lunch. I’m sure it’s safe but as effective as the flu shot. I.e not very. If it gives the ‘collective’ hope and confidence and shifts the energy from fear am all for it right now. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 5:32:30 GMT -5
I see a lot of people that want it, and some that don't, and I've listened a lot to both sides. My sense of the situation is that those that don't want it, just have a plain old gut instinct that it's not for them. They then often feel obliged to rationalize that gut instinct, but the rationalization just isn't really that strong, and more often that not they just look a bit wacky. I have no particular reason to doubt its safety (I mean, I do see reports of negative reactions, but that's expected), and yet my gut reaction is just it's not for me. If I had to offer something more than just 'gut instinct' as a reason why not, I would probably say 'religious reasons'. It's not wholly correct, but it's close enough. Trusting gut instinct is irrational and bordering on the mystical. To be clear, I don't experience any urge to try to talk others out of it because I recognize that my gut instinct is just...'mine'. Everyone is different. I don't feel 'pleased' when I hear others have had it (e.g my sister has had it), I'm more just like....'okay, fair enough' like if they told me they had a sandwich for lunch. I’m sure it’s safe but as effective as the flu shot. I.e not very. If it gives the ‘collective’ hope and confidence and shifts the energy from fear am all for it right now. yes, that's a positive for sure |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 6:57:51 GMT -5
Because the majority of people have the sense to accept that we're in a situation that we've all got to manage as best we can. So people are walking more. The local park is busy most days all day. People go shopping locally, so those businesses that are able to stay open are busy when it isn't raining. I heard that there were some Covid Marshalls discouraging people from loitering in town centres, though nothing too uncomfortable. People are eating more take aways, so local restaurants that have adapted or already had the facilities are at least keeping a client base. Most people accept that Boris is unable to lead properly so they know that they've got to make decisions that benefit them for the long term. It would be realistic to expect that the lifting of present lockdown guidelines won't happen until the warmer months of May and June. I could probably agree with some of those observations, though I'm not too sure if there's a point I'm missing beyond the observations you are making. My sense of things could be off here, but I think I could be a bit more...'sceptical' about the overall situation than you. To give an example, I'm not sure whether the government are 'unable to lead', or if there are aspects of that government that are in the pocket of powerful corporate 'globalist' forces, and therefore their 'incompetence' isn't wholly honest. Tenka made a lot of sceptical noises in his posts that I find myself similarly wondering about. I particularly wonder about Matt Hanco.ck, who I know for sure has developed connections with those forces. I've already talked a lot about medicines that aren't being used, and the fact that doctors can only treat people in hospital itself. I'm not clear if that's just incompetence by science authorities, or if there has been a deeper agenda to bypass those medicines and go straight to the vaccine solution, for reasons I can only speculate at (e.g possibly long term financial benefit) To give another example, any NLP practitioner would know that 'stay safe' is abysmal conditioning and a terrible mantra. It literally invites people to consider the fact that they AREN'T safe. Surely there are highly qualified psychological experts that could advise our government (and other governments) of this. Our old friend Tzu was much more 'on the money' with his 'Be Well'. That's decent programming, a decent mantra. The 'stay safe' debacle is just one aspect of the terrible propaganda. It's so wrong, that I suspiciously wonder if it is deliberately so. Imagine your kid about to go into the ocean for the first time and you say....'stay safe from all the big sharks and poisonous jelly fish' For those that really follow along in this forum, knowing that they are This, takes the whole 'stay safe' mantra into a different dimension. They have to stay safe, in fact staying safe has become almost a default setting. I remember back in the 90's, "Safe Blood", was a known meme in Urban communities. The politicisation of it and your own inherent distrust has you thinking like this. Who cares whose pockets Matt Hanc_ock is in. Why are you filling your thoughts with it? If you want to start dropping 'Be well' into your departures from meetings with people. Then do it, make it your own. Watch and wait for the ripples of it to hit the other side of your pond and return to you. And smile like a Boss when you hear it coming back. Oh.. and the only big shark people have to watch out for in the ocean is David Icke. Thankfully all the regular swimmers know that now. And as for poisonous jelly fish.. those are more of an opportunity to refine ones transmutation skills. Best to approach them from below. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 7:32:03 GMT -5
I could probably agree with some of those observations, though I'm not too sure if there's a point I'm missing beyond the observations you are making. My sense of things could be off here, but I think I could be a bit more...'sceptical' about the overall situation than you. To give an example, I'm not sure whether the government are 'unable to lead', or if there are aspects of that government that are in the pocket of powerful corporate 'globalist' forces, and therefore their 'incompetence' isn't wholly honest. Tenka made a lot of sceptical noises in his posts that I find myself similarly wondering about. I particularly wonder about Matt Hanco.ck, who I know for sure has developed connections with those forces. I've already talked a lot about medicines that aren't being used, and the fact that doctors can only treat people in hospital itself. I'm not clear if that's just incompetence by science authorities, or if there has been a deeper agenda to bypass those medicines and go straight to the vaccine solution, for reasons I can only speculate at (e.g possibly long term financial benefit) To give another example, any NLP practitioner would know that 'stay safe' is abysmal conditioning and a terrible mantra. It literally invites people to consider the fact that they AREN'T safe. Surely there are highly qualified psychological experts that could advise our government (and other governments) of this. Our old friend Tzu was much more 'on the money' with his 'Be Well'. That's decent programming, a decent mantra. The 'stay safe' debacle is just one aspect of the terrible propaganda. It's so wrong, that I suspiciously wonder if it is deliberately so. Imagine your kid about to go into the ocean for the first time and you say....'stay safe from all the big sharks and poisonous jelly fish' For those that really follow along in this forum, knowing that they are This, takes the whole 'stay safe' mantra into a different dimension. They have to stay safe, in fact staying safe has become almost a default setting. I remember back in the 90's, "Safe Blood", was a known meme in Urban communities. The politicisation of it and your own inherent distrust has you thinking like this. Who cares whose pockets Matt Hanc_ock is in. Why are you filling your thoughts with it? If you want to start dropping 'Be well' into your departures from meetings with people. Then do it, make it your own. Watch and wait for the ripples of it to hit the other side of your pond and return to you. And smile like a Boss when you hear it coming back. Oh.. and the only big shark people have to watch out for in the ocean is David Icke. Thankfully all the regular swimmers know that now. And as for poisonous jelly fish.. those are more of an opportunity to refine ones transmutation skills. Best to approach them from below. For sure! I would never attempt to program anyone with the horrendous 'stay safe' mantra, but I have on numerous times offered a 'Be well' I I don't think spiritual folks consider the knowing that they are 'This' to be about 'staying safe' even as a default setting. It might be closer to say that they ARE the 'safety', but 'staying' is the wrong expression. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 24, 2021 7:58:24 GMT -5
Here are some reasons I would feel okay taking the mRNA vaccine. (Though I may not need to because I got immunity the old fashioned way.) 1. Many viruses, including colds, the flu, and covid itself, are RNA viruses. So it's not like RNA is some super-new weird unnatural thing that your body isn't used to seeing. And RNA is produced and destroyed in healthy cells all day. 2. Our understanding of the DNA -> RNA -> protein path is that DNA and RNA code for one protein. It would be very strange if it produced others. 3. Part of why the vaccine approval only took a year is because so many people are sick with covid. I don't think they relaxed their requirements. I think they just got to them faster. It's easier to see if it's working when there are lots of people sick in your placebo group vs your other group that got the vaccine. This may only happen every 100 years, but if starts happening every 5 years, my guess is people are going to push for faster or immediate vaccine approvals. Or we'll develop other anti-viral treatments, from economic necessity. If you want to freak out, read about how easy it is to set up a cheap bio lab and "print" one these viruses. Then look at the stock market effects and ... oh dear. We may need to get better at fighting viruses sooner rather than later... Right, it's certainly possible that the only significant difference in the mechanism between traditional vaccines and mRNA are in the way it's manufactured, ie: that the functionality of a polio vaccine produced in a chicken egg is theoretically the exact same as an mRNA version. I don't know enough about the subject to do other than speculate, either way. But one concern might be that a vaccine can theoretically be manufactured to produce more than one protein, with the producer advertising only one of them. If this idea sounds paranoid, it's because it is, but just 'cause yer' paranoid don't mean they's aint out to git ya'!  .. but even short of the funny folksy old aphorism, you see, all I've done is note the theoretical possibility. One significant factor that lends a viral-nature to speculation from that point is the dystopian aspect of the lockdowns and other social controls. Another potentially valid concern from what (very very little) I've read is that mRNA has the potential to deploy far more complex and far more controlled cell stimulation than injecting the material copied using the old techniques. This raises the question of unintended consequences. For example, my understanding is that genetic modification of agricultural crops leads to strains that don't produce viable seeds, and that there can be inadvertent cross-pollination that interferes with traditional farming, and that Monsanto even used the law to put some farmer's out of business in the cases where the modified seeds could reproduce. It's not a direct comparison, but it is an example of how genetic technology has already resulted in an oppressive dystopian mess. These conspiratorial concerns are relevant to the issue of cooperation with people claiming to be legitimate authorities, both legal and otherwise. By contrast, worrying about the possibility of a significant viral-based bio weapon is sort of the same concern as a nuclear holocaust. IOW: ain't really nothin' new under the Sun. (just ask a t-rex skeleton)  Someone just sent the video of Bill Gates addressing the CIA and talking of a project called Fundvax in 2015. It’s a recording where he explains which part of the brain recognises religion. I ‘duck duck go’d’ it- totally debunked. So much rubbish gets circulated these days. I don’t particularly trust the guy though... |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 8:21:04 GMT -5
For sure! I would never attempt to program anyone with the horrendous 'stay safe' mantra, but I have on numerous times offered a 'Be well' I I don't think spiritual folks consider the knowing that they are 'This' to be about 'staying safe' even as a default setting. It might be closer to say that they ARE the 'safety', but 'staying' is the wrong expression. "stay safe" is fine, it gives the impression you care  it's the robotical "how are you?" that most people start a greeting with that irks me It actually sets people up to feel insecure. Be Safe is a little better, but not much. Be Well is considerably better. Be Extremely Well is quite powerful. It's all about the hypnosis, and hypnosis is something I know a lot about. Both your country and mine have been programmed to be in fear. Yet 500000 people died in America just 2 years ago from smoking. Where's the hysteria? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 8:30:50 GMT -5
For those that really follow along in this forum, knowing that they are This, takes the whole 'stay safe' mantra into a different dimension. They have to stay safe, in fact staying safe has become almost a default setting. I remember back in the 90's, "Safe Blood", was a known meme in Urban communities. The politicisation of it and your own inherent distrust has you thinking like this. Who cares whose pockets Matt Hanc_ock is in. Why are you filling your thoughts with it? If you want to start dropping 'Be well' into your departures from meetings with people. Then do it, make it your own. Watch and wait for the ripples of it to hit the other side of your pond and return to you. And smile like a Boss when you hear it coming back. Oh.. and the only big shark people have to watch out for in the ocean is David Icke. Thankfully all the regular swimmers know that now. And as for poisonous jelly fish.. those are more of an opportunity to refine ones transmutation skills. Best to approach them from below. For sure! I would never attempt to program anyone with the horrendous 'stay safe' mantra, but I have on numerous times offered a 'Be well' I don't think spiritual folks consider the knowing that they are 'This' to be about 'staying safe' even as a default setting. It might be closer to say that they ARE the 'safety', but 'staying' is the wrong expression. Cool That qualifies as walking your talk. Well at least you're now playing around with the stay safe phrase and we've managed to pull it back from the grips of the terrible and the abysmal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:31 GMT -5
"stay safe" is fine, it gives the impression you care it's the robotical "how are you?" that most people start a greeting with that irks me It actually sets people up to feel insecure. Be Safe is a little better, but not much. Be Well is considerably better. Be Extremely Well is quite powerful. It's all about the hypnosis, and hypnosis is something I know a lot about. Both your country and mine have been programmed to be in fear. Yet 500000 people died in America just 2 years ago from smoking. Where's the hysteria? Be Safe and Stay there. Be Well and Stay There. Be Extremely Xing Well and Xing Stay There. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 8:43:59 GMT -5
From a spiritual perspective, we know the world is an expression of our state of being, or state of consciousness. But even at a more accepted level of neuroscience and psychology, it is known that fear and anxiety are not resourceful states, and are bad for health/immunity.
Yet the core message from governments and media is, ''You are NOT safe. The person next to you is a danger to you, and you are a danger to them'. People have been consistently invited to be stressed and anxious and to treat people around them with suspicion. It's highly neurotic.
At a minimum, we receive an incredibly imbalanced message from government and media. I don't know if it's just an ignorant way to try and genuinely help people, or if its a more sinister attempt to brainwash the population.
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 8:46:03 GMT -5
For sure! I would never attempt to program anyone with the horrendous 'stay safe' mantra, but I have on numerous times offered a 'Be well' I don't think spiritual folks consider the knowing that they are 'This' to be about 'staying safe' even as a default setting. It might be closer to say that they ARE the 'safety', but 'staying' is the wrong expression. Cool That qualifies as walking your talk. Well at least you're now playing around with the stay safe phrase and we've managed to pull it back from the grips of the terrible and the abysmal. I'm not sure horrendous is a HUGE step up from terrible/abysmal , but yes, I do walk my talk in this particular regard. I feel it is something positive that I can offer on a daily basis, so...why not do it! |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 8:46:57 GMT -5
It actually sets people up to feel insecure. Be Safe is a little better, but not much. Be Well is considerably better. Be Extremely Well is quite powerful. It's all about the hypnosis, and hypnosis is something I know a lot about. Both your country and mine have been programmed to be in fear. Yet 500000 people died in America just 2 years ago from smoking. Where's the hysteria? Be Safe and Stay there. Be Well and Stay There. Be Extremely Xing Well and Xing Stay There. Pretty good! |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2021 8:49:36 GMT -5
This is cool. Ivermectin.
It's also good that you guys in America do have some level of space to be able to argue your case and win it.
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.. but even short of the funny folksy old aphorism, you see, all I've done is note the theoretical possibility. One significant factor that lends a viral-nature to speculation from that point is the dystopian aspect of the lockdowns and other social controls.