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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 21:07:19 GMT -5
This time you created something else named as 'ignoring'. So Ignoring would gain the momentum. Watch out carefully. That's why one has to realize the futility of 'nothing can be done'. No, he's saying if you stay focused on the same thing you just perpetuate the same feedback loop. Shift focus and you (can) break the cycle. Correct. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 21:10:06 GMT -5
I've had this image in my mind for about a week. I think this is what A-H are describing in the link on DJT. "Everything moves as one." - Gopal  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 21:13:57 GMT -5
This time you created something else named as 'ignoring'. So Ignoring would gain the momentum. Watch out carefully. That's why one has to realize the futility of 'nothing can be done'. No, he's saying if you stay focused on the same thing you just perpetuate the same feedback loop. Shift focus and you (can) break the cycle. Shifting the focus is new creation now, you would recreate the act of shifting. No matter whatever direction you go, that action is the new creation. You will soon catch yourself with shifting the focus. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 21:19:56 GMT -5
DJT's parents went to Norman Vincent Peale's church, so he was raised on the Power of Positive Thinking. I've known this for a long time. So yes, this stamp is on everything he has done. He's definitely got this positive expectation thing down. Here's another A-H clip on DJT and general success principles, 15 years ago: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UTwCOXaIqgtranscript: |
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Post by inavalan on Sept 28, 2020 23:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 23:33:03 GMT -5
No, he's saying if you stay focused on the same thing you just perpetuate the same feedback loop. Shift focus and you (can) break the cycle. Shifting the focus is new creation now, you would recreate the act of shifting. No matter whatever direction you go, that action is the new creation. You will soon catch yourself with shifting the focus. It's like this: You approach the buffet table. You look at the fish. You don't feel like eating fish today. You look around for something else. You notice the chicken salad. You grab a plate. You put some salad on your plate. You walk back to your seat. You happily eat your salad. End of story. The fish didn't even leave a trace in your memory. You see, there are basically two ways of going about it. One way is to battle it out on the mental level, which is basically what you are describing. Another, more straight-forward and natural way is to follow your inner guidance, which is what A-H are describing. Both methods work, but the mental level is going about it the hard way. It's a bit like psychotherapy vs. meditation. You could work consciously on deconstructing beliefs and eventually, indirectly end up in alignment. Or, you could just sit and meditate and spontaneously, directly end up in alignment. Method #1 has the advantage of appealing to our action orientation to life, but has the disadvantage of risking getting lost in the intellectual brambles. Method #2 has the advantage of being the shortest and most reliable route, but has the disadvantage of being counter our action orientation to life, so it may actually take some will power to bring yourself to sit, to overcome this habit of wanting to jump right into action. Now, let's apply this to our current news/politics discussion. method #1: You turn on the news. You see your favorite nemesis live on TV. You have an adverse reaction. You try to figure out what's wrong. The friendly people on TV help you to fact check your nemesis live on TV and their expert panel agrees that your should all be outraged. You feel validated. You browse the news on the internet. All headlines are about your favorite nemesis. You already feel validated in your outrage, and your eye catches some even more outrageous headlines. You click on a link. It takes you to a youtube video. You watch it. The video makes it perfectly clear that the walls are finally closing in on your nemesis. You feel validated and somewhat satisfied about being right and having all these highly decorated experts agree with you. In the suggestion box you notice some other videos that detail some other scandals of your nemesis that you haven't heard about yet. You watch them all. The case seems settled. Your spouse comes home and after several hours of virtual battling with your nemesis you greet her with the words "This country is going to hell!" and explain to her what you have found, in detail. You spend the evening talking how bad this all is and when you turn on the TV for the evening news, once again, the friendly moderators and expert panels are validating your worst fears: we are all in trouble if this doesn't end soon. You go to your favorite forum. You try to sound the alarm there, because you care. You get some emotional support from a couple of members. But then there's this dude who tells you that you are uninformed and got it all wrong and should do some more, broader reading. You think, WTH?! You feel the need to explain some facts to him that you've learned today on TV. He says, that's mostly fake news and that he could counter it easily if he'd only care. You think: If even he doesn't get it, then we are really in trouble, God help us! But you really care about your fellow humans, so you try to find a more subtle way to warn them. But you are tired. You've got quite a beating from the negative news today. So you call it a day. The next day, you post a Nixon video... method #2: You turn on the news. You see your favorite nemesis live on TV. You have an adverse reaction. You change channels. Your favorite nemesis is live on all channels. You turn off the TV. You browse the news on the internet instead. All headlines are about your favorite nemesis. You realize there's nothing there for you. So you browse for some cute cat pictures that make you smile. In the suggesting box, you see some videos about people showing off their awesome skills. You watch some of them. You feel inspired, you are convinced there are a lot of great people out there. You make a mental note to tell your spouse about it in the evening. And so you go happily about your day without ever being reminded of your favorite nemesis again. Your spouse comes home and says something about disturbing news on CNN and dinner tonight. You didn't quite catch the first half of that sentence and start focusing on dinner instead. You think of something delicious and tell her about it. She sees your excitement and follows your lead. You go to your favorite restaurant and have a lovely dinner. When you come home, you suddenly remember that you did only understand half of what she said to you earlier this evening. You ask her about it. She can't remember it anymore. You both shrug it off as probably unimportant. Your body feels like moving around. Your spouse suggests to go for a swim. In the pool, you get totally lost in the NOW, the water around you, your awesome spouse next to you and the moon and the stars right above you. Magic! You come back refreshed and in good spirits. Your spouse goes for a nice book and you go back to your computer and take another look at the news, just for fun. You see some more news about your favorite nemesis. This time it actually seems funny, because all the experts agree that you should feel outraged tonight, but you just can't ignore the fact that you are feeling awesome tonight, and seemingly for no good reason. So you realize there's nothing there for you again. You go to your favorite forum. And there it is again, some dude telling you that not only this country, no, the whole world is going to hell. You think, dude, get a grip, take a walk, snap out of it. Life is awesome! You just need to get out of your head! But you realize that telling him straight to his face that life is awesome probably won't go over so well. So you put on your kids gloves and start putting things into perspective for him. He isn't getting any of it. He doesn't even seem interested in your arguments. He just seems interest in getting his practiced speech across, as if his life, no, the world he says, would depend on it. You think: WTH?! Doesn't he realize what he is doing to himself? How can I help him get out of that belief prison? But you realize, that'll be a piece of work, and he may not even be interested, he seemed rather satisfied in expressing an officially approved opinion, so you see the possible futility of such a taks and call it a day. It was a good and productive day after all, why spoil it with such inconsequential nonsense? The next day, you post an A-H video... Now, #2 somewhat describes my experience these days. #1 would have been my experience 20 years ago under similar circumstances as we have it right now. Just a slight difference in approach, but what a difference in experience! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 5:21:30 GMT -5
Shifting the focus is new creation now, you would recreate the act of shifting. No matter whatever direction you go, that action is the new creation. You will soon catch yourself with shifting the focus. It's like this: You approach the buffet table. You look at the fish. You don't feel like eating fish today. You look around for something else. You notice the chicken salad. You grab a plate. You put some salad on your plate. You walk back to your seat. You happily eat your salad. End of story. The fish didn't even leave a trace in your memory. You see, there are basically two ways of going about it. One way is to battle it out on the mental level, which is basically what you are describing. Another, more straight-forward and natural way is to follow your inner guidance, which is what A-H are describing. Both methods work, but the mental level is going about it the hard way. It's a bit like psychotherapy vs. meditation. You could work consciously on deconstructing beliefs and eventually, indirectly end up in alignment. Or, you could just sit and meditate and spontaneously, directly end up in alignment. Method #1 has the advantage of appealing to our action orientation to life, but has the disadvantage of risking getting lost in the intellectual brambles. Method #2 has the advantage of being the shortest and most reliable route, but has the disadvantage of being counter our action orientation to life, so it may actually take some will power to bring yourself to sit, to overcome this habit of wanting to jump right into action. Now, let's apply this to our current news/politics discussion. method #1: You turn on the news. You see your favorite nemesis live on TV. You have an adverse reaction. You try to figure out what's wrong. The friendly people on TV help you to fact check your nemesis live on TV and their expert panel agrees that your should all be outraged. You feel validated. You browse the news on the internet. All headlines are about your favorite nemesis. You already feel validated in your outrage, and your eye catches some even more outrageous headlines. You click on a link. It takes you to a youtube video. You watch it. The video makes it perfectly clear that the walls are finally closing in on your nemesis. You feel validated and somewhat satisfied about being right and having all these highly decorated experts agree with you. In the suggestion box you notice some other videos that detail some other scandals of your nemesis that you haven't heard about yet. You watch them all. The case seems settled. Your spouse comes home and after several hours of virtual battling with your nemesis you greet her with the words "This country is going to hell!" and explain to her what you have found, in detail. You spend the evening talking how bad this all is and when you turn on the TV for the evening news, once again, the friendly moderators and expert panels are validating your worst fears: we are all in trouble if this doesn't end soon. You go to your favorite forum. You try to sound the alarm there, because you care. You get some emotional support from a couple of members. But then there's this dude who tells you that you are uninformed and got it all wrong and should do some more, broader reading. You think, WTH?! You feel the need to explain some facts to him that you've learned today on TV. He says, that's mostly fake news and that he could counter it easily if he'd only care. You think: If even he doesn't get it, then we are really in trouble, God help us! But you really care about your fellow humans, so you try to find a more subtle way to warn them. But you are tired. You've got quite a beating from the negative news today. So you call it a day. The next day, you post a Nixon video... method #2: You turn on the news. You see your favorite nemesis live on TV. You have an adverse reaction. You change channels. Your favorite nemesis is live on all channels. You turn off the TV. You browse the news on the internet instead. All headlines are about your favorite nemesis. You realize there's nothing there for you. So you browse for some cute cat pictures that make you smile. In the suggesting box, you see some videos about people showing off their awesome skills. You watch some of them. You feel inspired, you are convinced there are a lot of great people out there. You make a mental note to tell your spouse about it in the evening. And so you go happily about your day without ever being reminded of your favorite nemesis again. Your spouse comes home and says something about disturbing news on CNN and dinner tonight. You didn't quite catch the first half of that sentence and start focusing on dinner instead. You think of something delicious and tell her about it. She sees your excitement and follows your lead. You go to your favorite restaurant and have a lovely dinner. When you come home, you suddenly remember that you did only understand half of what she said to you earlier this evening. You ask her about it. She can't remember it anymore. You both shrug it off as probably unimportant. Your body feels like moving around. Your spouse suggests to go for a swim. In the pool, you get totally lost in the NOW, the water around you, your awesome spouse next to you and the moon and the stars right above you. Magic! You come back refreshed and in good spirits. Your spouse goes for a nice book and you go back to your computer and take another look at the news, just for fun. You see some more news about your favorite nemesis. This time it actually seems funny, because all the experts agree that you should feel outraged tonight, but you just can't ignore the fact that you are feeling awesome tonight, and seemingly for no good reason. So you realize there's nothing there for you again. You go to your favorite forum. And there it is again, some dude telling you that not only this country, no, the whole world is going to hell. You think, dude, get a grip, take a walk, snap out of it. Life is awesome! You just need to get out of your head! But you realize that telling him straight to his face that life is awesome probably won't go over so well. So you put on your kids gloves and start putting things into perspective for him. He isn't getting any of it. He doesn't even seem interested in your arguments. He just seems interest in getting his practiced speech across, as if his life, no, the world he says, would depend on it. You think: WTH?! Doesn't he realize what he is doing to himself? How can I help him get out of that belief prison? But you realize, that'll be a piece of work, and he may not even be interested, he seemed rather satisfied in expressing an officially approved opinion, so you see the possible futility of such a taks and call it a day. It was a good and productive day after all, why spoil it with such inconsequential nonsense? The next day, you post an A-H video... Now, #2 somewhat describes my experience these days. #1 would have been my experience 20 years ago under similar circumstances as we have it right now. Just a slight difference in approach, but what a difference in experience! what you are talking is like a taking a decision to go left or right, take a decision to go to left and forget about everything. It's a single decision, there is no war in your mind. But what we are talking about can't be easily rejected. We somehow try hard to ignore it, watch the energy you are putting that to ignore, that would surely recreate the situation. You spoke in your last comment about movement is gaining the power and you assume if you pay attention to those, then you would know where you would end up. But what I am saying is, You are creating that entire situation to make sure that you form some kind of conclusion. Once after the conclusion everything else would get settle down. Not paying attention to those wouldn't reduce or remove the situation, it would show up again until you understand why you create them. People those believe in separation tends to solve the problem outside, they start to manipulate the things outside to get out of the problem, but people who doesn't believe in separation, always watch out what it is that creating this situation and start to seek out the solution to cure the inner somehow to change the outer. But people like you are started to manipulate the inner like rejecting those specific feeling to create different outer but that wouldn't work. I know why you do this because I was there! But remember! situation like these are coming to your attention is giving the greater clue that you are perfectly in in the game while rest of the others are sleeping. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 29, 2020 8:28:25 GMT -5
Very good post by Reefs, method #1 and method #2.
It's never a good idea to fight force with force. Aikido, Tai Chi and Judo have it right. In Tai Chi there is the principle, 4 ounces can deflect 1,000 pounds.
But having said that, (almost) without comment, in probable order of importance:
Rage by Bob Woodward (Important because many hours of tapes also available).
Too Much and Never Enough by Mary Trump (Important because she has known DJT all her life, and she is a psychologist).
Disloyal by Michael Cohen (Important because he was DJT's fixer and hatchet attorney for over ten years).
The Room Where it Happened by John Bolton
Compromised by Peter Strzok
A Higher Loyalty by James Comey
Where Law Ends, Inside the Mueller Investigation by Andrew Weissmann (out today)
If you think this looks too practiced or fake, Aikido is a nonviolent martial art, the intent is to control the attacker, never hurt them. Pressure is applied such that the attacker ~wants to~, that is, has to submit to the force.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 29, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
Very good post by Reefs, method #1 and method #2. It's never a good idea to fight force with force. Aikido, Tai Chi and Judo have it right. In Tai Chi there is the principle, 4 ounces can deflect 1,000 pounds. But having said that, (almost) without comment, in probable order of importance: Rage by Bob Woodward (Important because many hours of tapes also available). Too Much and Never Enough by Mary Trump (Important because she has known DJT all her life, and she is a psychologist). Disloyal by Michael Cohen (Important because he was DJT's fixer and hatchet attorney for over ten years). The Room Where it Happened by John Bolton Compromised by Peter Strzok A Higher Loyalty by James Comey Where Law Ends, Inside the Mueller Investigation by Andrew Weissmann (out today) If you think this looks too practiced or fake, Aikido is a nonviolent martial art, the intent is to control the attacker, never hurt them. Pressure is applied such that the attacker ~wants to~, that is, has to submit to the force. Did you actually read all those books? There's a cool movie, The Ghostwriter (2010), about memoirs of people in power. After watching it you may look at those books a bit differently... |
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Post by andrew on Sept 29, 2020 11:01:41 GMT -5
Have been meditating on my feelings. In terms of my own feelings, the problem is not outside of me. When I start thinking that the solution lies in my perceptions, the outside becomes my higher power. The outside determining one's balance and harmony leads to paranoia in my opinion. It leads to unhealthy division. How do I put "trust in feelings" into practice? Maybe trust is an internal dialogue. A way of examining thoughts with light and forgiving errors when the inevitable occurs... when perceptions get the better of me and I lose touch with my true feelings. That's when I feel I am not enough. That's when I look to something outside of me to complete me. I like this |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 29, 2020 11:54:40 GMT -5
Very good post by Reefs, method #1 and method #2. It's never a good idea to fight force with force. Aikido, Tai Chi and Judo have it right. In Tai Chi there is the principle, 4 ounces can deflect 1,000 pounds. But having said that, (almost) without comment, in probable order of importance: Rage by Bob Woodward (Important because many hours of tapes also available). Too Much and Never Enough by Mary Trump (Important because she has known DJT all her life, and she is a psychologist). Disloyal by Michael Cohen (Important because he was DJT's fixer and hatchet attorney for over ten years). The Room Where it Happened by John Bolton Compromised by Peter Strzok A Higher Loyalty by James Comey Where Law Ends, Inside the Mueller Investigation by Andrew Weissmann (out today) If you think this looks too practiced or fake, Aikido is a nonviolent martial art, the intent is to control the attacker, never hurt them. Pressure is applied such that the attacker ~wants to~, that is, has to submit to the force. Did you actually read all those books? There's a cool movie, The Ghostwriter (2010), about memoirs of people in power. After watching it you may look at those books a bit differently... No, I haven't read any of them, don't plan to. If bookstores were open, no COVID, I'd browse. Yes, good movie, I've seen it. (I love Olivia Williams). |
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Post by andrew on Sept 29, 2020 13:31:45 GMT -5
Very good post by Reefs, method #1 and method #2. It's never a good idea to fight force with force. Aikido, Tai Chi and Judo have it right. In Tai Chi there is the principle, 4 ounces can deflect 1,000 pounds. But having said that, (almost) without comment, in probable order of importance: Rage by Bob Woodward (Important because many hours of tapes also available). Too Much and Never Enough by Mary Trump (Important because she has known DJT all her life, and she is a psychologist). Disloyal by Michael Cohen (Important because he was DJT's fixer and hatchet attorney for over ten years). The Room Where it Happened by John Bolton Compromised by Peter Strzok A Higher Loyalty by James Comey Where Law Ends, Inside the Mueller Investigation by Andrew Weissmann (out today) If you think this looks too practiced or fake, Aikido is a nonviolent martial art, the intent is to control the attacker, never hurt them. Pressure is applied such that the attacker ~wants to~, that is, has to submit to the force. other than Woodward, none of those folks could have envisioned becoming best selling authors.. and the fact that they all felt compelled to share their stories (at grave personal cost btw) should serve as a stark warning as to how corrupted an unfit for office Trump is I don't disagree at all, but I wonder if 'the office' and 'Trump' have been/are a good vibrational match. Perhaps the structures of 'the office' are corrupt such that they can only attract corruptness. It's perhaps partly why I think sweeping change will ultimately come from the people, no matter who wins the election. At some point perhaps the old structures will be changed for something new and better. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 29, 2020 14:27:31 GMT -5
I don't disagree at all, but I wonder if 'the office' and 'Trump' have been/are a good vibrational match. Perhaps the structures of 'the office' are corrupt such that they can only attract corruptness. It's perhaps partly why I think sweeping change will ultimately come from the people, no matter who wins the election. At some point perhaps the old structures will be changed for something new and better. This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius? Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
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Post by laughter on Sept 29, 2020 18:03:17 GMT -5
don't forget the Republicans held all branches of government for the first two years of Trumps term.. they could have passed anything they wanted, they didn't need bipartisan support for anything.. and surely made no attempts at attracting any. the only thing they squeaked thru was that colossal unpaid for tax bill. no healthcare, no infrastructure, no trade deals.. nothing. Trumps admin is incapable of any long term planning and execution, everything is at the whim of Trumps changing daily reactions. I could write a paragraph on each of those personalities explaining why I question their credibility, and, at the same time, I'm sure that there's plenty of the cringe that's true. But again, I'm gonna' refrain out of respect for the forum overall. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 19:39:38 GMT -5
How could someone willingly vote for Donald Trump in 2020? That's so crazy it defies explanation. It's cult like. I really think you're missing something here. I know multiple decent and intelligent people who voted for him, and I can think of reasons to vote for him now. I'm not saying it's "right". It's just not insane. None of these people loved his personality or looked up to him in a cult-like way, but they wanted Republican-leaning policy and actions on certain things. There is a school of thought that says when you vote for President you are simply voting for one of the "teams" of people that will advise and run the executive branch. I think that if you believe that everyone who votes for Trump is crazy and cult-like, then you are filtering your reality and ignoring similar bad behavior in the other party, or ignoring decent points that Republicans make, or focusing on the "straw men" – the wing-nuts that the media likes to find that say silly or embarrassing things. They exist in all political parties. I do think all this relates to this forum. I've seen Tolle talk about it clearly – it's like the ego feeds itself on us-vs-them thinking, and makes it more extreme. When really 98% or so of people are decent human beings [*], and it's more like that parable with all the blind guys touching different parts of the elephant and disagreeing about what it is. [*] Maybe 100%, I'm unsure about the psychopaths or demons... |
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