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Post by laughter on Sept 27, 2020 11:21:44 GMT -5
Trump isn't "crazy lime a fox", he's just crazy. He's also lazy and shows little interest in the job - except for the power it wields, is intellectually stunted, surrounds himself with fawning sycophants, and has malignant personality and emotional disorders. He's also a psychological tormentor, repeating his lies until they become accepted, or until people throw their hands up in the air because they don't know what to be believe anymore. In short he's the most dangerous man in the world and we had all better hope for a free and fair election. I support neither Trump nor Biden...and as I said, I sense that this election is far less significant than it seems now. Just as Brexit last year absolutely engulfed the Brits attention....this year, quite honestly, most people give far less of a shiny sh/t about it. It might become more relevant again next year, we'll see. It's also worth remembering that the roots of the American (and global) problems go back a long way. Neither Trump nor Biden are key players in the big picture. For the key players we have to look at the huge oil companies, the bankers (that have been shown to fund BOTH sides during the world wars), big pharma..the monolithic corporations all round the world. Our issues are Global (I know it's hard for you yanks to see that hehe). I don't know who, out of the two, would be willing and able to address that issue best. If Biden handed over the reins to AOC, I reckon she'd have a pretty good go at sorting some stuff out. But, that won't happen. I hear talk of independent third parties (Kanye West lol?) Too late for this election though. We yanks have, of course, been quite instrumental in the process of globalization, and some of us have noticed the trend and it's +'s/-'s here for a long time, but I think you're right about how most are oblivious to it. Seems to me that most people just don't want to be bothered with trends over which they have very little personal control. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 27, 2020 12:40:15 GMT -5
I support neither Trump nor Biden...and as I said, I sense that this election is far less significant than it seems now. Just as Brexit last year absolutely engulfed the Brits attention....this year, quite honestly, most people give far less of a shiny sh/t about it. It might become more relevant again next year, we'll see. It's also worth remembering that the roots of the American (and global) problems go back a long way. Neither Trump nor Biden are key players in the big picture. For the key players we have to look at the huge oil companies, the bankers (that have been shown to fund BOTH sides during the world wars), big pharma..the monolithic corporations all round the world. Our issues are Global (I know it's hard for you yanks to see that hehe). I don't know who, out of the two, would be willing and able to address that issue best. If Biden handed over the reins to AOC, I reckon she'd have a pretty good go at sorting some stuff out. But, that won't happen. I hear talk of independent third parties (Kanye West lol?) Too late for this election though. We yanks have, of course, been quite instrumental in the process of globalization, and some of us have noticed the trend and it's +'s/-'s here for a long time, but I think you're right about how most are oblivious to it. Seems to me that most people just don't want to be bothered with trends over which they have very little personal control. yeah...it was just a little joke about the yanks. It's a stereotype that Americans only know about America, and as with any stereotype, it's largely untrue (but not without a smidgen of truth). Though I think I'm right that your news media focuses greatly on America, whereas ours is a smidgen more global, though that doesn't make it better and I turn off the news as soon as I see it come on. I've achieved pretty good mastery of hitting the remote button at great speed  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 27, 2020 13:46:22 GMT -5
We yanks have, of course, been quite instrumental in the process of globalization, and some of us have noticed the trend and it's +'s/-'s here for a long time, but I think you're right about how most are oblivious to it. Seems to me that most people just don't want to be bothered with trends over which they have very little personal control. yeah...it was just a little joke about the yanks. It's a stereotype that Americans only know about America, and as with any stereotype, it's largely untrue (but not without a smidgen of truth). Though I think I'm right that your news media focuses greatly on America, whereas ours is a smidgen more global, though that doesn't make it better and I turn off the news as soon as I see it come on. I've achieved pretty good mastery of hitting the remote button at great speed My impression is that the stereotype is usually true for people who haven't pursued a college education. It's easier for us 'mericuns (heee hee ... (warning, side-splitting but very offensive) ... ) to be that way and the reasons for that are myriad and might evolve into a (shameful  ) text wall if I started writing about it. I did a stint at J.P. Morgan/Chase, and there are lots of Brits there. One of them once asked me if I'd ever been to Europe and I told her "no", and even though I added that it wasn't because I didn't want to go, it was like I was some sort of leper. |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 27, 2020 15:28:25 GMT -5
We yanks have, of course, been quite instrumental in the process of globalization, and some of us have noticed the trend and it's +'s/-'s here for a long time, but I think you're right about how most are oblivious to it. Seems to me that most people just don't want to be bothered with trends over which they have very little personal control. yeah...it was just a little joke about the yanks. It's a stereotype that Americans only know about America, and as with any stereotype, it's largely untrue (but not without a smidgen of truth). Though I think I'm right that your news media focuses greatly on America, whereas ours is a smidgen more global, though that doesn't make it better and I turn off the news as soon as I see it come on. I've achieved pretty good mastery of hitting the remote button at great speed IMO the stereotype is quite true. The first time I went to Europe at the age of 19, spent two months there, and talked to many students my own age I was astonished at how much broader their education and general knowledge of the world was than mine. Later, when visiting Hungary and reading about the history of that country, I thought how different one's outlook would be if one's country had been at the center of numerous world conflicts and had been ruled by many different invading entities. Two years ago when we were visiting Spain and France the difference between the news on the BBC noticeably covered a much wider range of world events than our US news stations and without any detectable political slant. Two vast oceans can be quite isolating and can lead to a lot of provinciality. Just saying.... |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 28, 2020 8:19:03 GMT -5
Transparency
Sunday, NYT, With tax returns beginning to come out, DJT has paid little in Federal taxes ($750 in 2016), has had numerous financial loses, and personally owes $421 million, most of which is due in the next few years.
That says a lot, almost everything, explains a lot. I'd presume he owes most of that money, to Russians, namely, VP.
"Follow the money". Deep Throat [Watergate info source for Woodward and Bernstein (revealed in 2005, upon his death, to be Mark Felt, then FBI Associate Director)]
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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 10:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 28, 2020 11:00:13 GMT -5
A-H top of page 9 on DJT and us (them), quite brilliant.
And so, as far as the nation is concerned, we're maybe at a coin flip. Do enough people understand (by now) that most of his promises are empty?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 28, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
A-H top of page 9 on DJT and us (them), quite brilliant. Yes, Abe get straight to the heart of the matter: If you would feel invincible, would you worry about the outcome of a national election? This also somewhat answers Amit's question: Lets introduce a nondual perspective into this thread. How would Trump, or any problem/suffering, be seen from that perspective? "Knowing you are nothing is wisdom. Knowng you are everything is Love". Niz. ================ And so, as far as the nation is concerned, we're maybe at a coin flip. Do enough people understand (by now) that most of his promises are empty? Well, that's an easy one. There's actually a website, promises made, promises kept. And I could come up with maybe 10 at the top of my head, without even googling it. If I do a bit of digging, I could probably come up with two dozens or more. Even NPR, two years ago, listed about 10 already that had either been accomplished or were in progress. So it's all too easy to prove you wrong here, which isn't my intention at all. So, I'll just skip it. But I think people here really need to get off this emotional line of argumentation. It's not helping this discussion. It may net them some emotional support from like-minded folks, but come November, they'll be emotionally worse off than ever. We can't just passively react to reality and try to ignore reality at the same time. That's not going to end well. From a LOA perspective, it's okay to ignore reality for a while when you know what your starting point is and where you are heading. In fact, you actually need to ignore reality in the beginning in order to gain any kind of momentum for something that is not in aliment with current reality or else you just recreate what you are already observing. However, that assumes that you are aware of the fact that you actually are the creator of your own reality. And that's very different from someone not knowing that s/he is the creator of her/his own reality (i.e. someone who is blaming some outside person or circumstances for what is happening in their life, like let's say a family member or a politician or 'the system') and who is ignoring reality at the same time. That will lead one into delusion. And that is bound to come to a head at some point and such people usually will be in for a rude awaking. Just think of all those people who were screaming at the sky on election night in 2016. How did they get to this point? Why didn't they see that coming? How could there be such a huge contrast between what they told themselves was going to happen and what actually happened? Don't get me wrong, I can understand your reasoning given the scope of info you have access to. I used to be in that exact same position. I'm just saying, there's a lot more info out there that will give you a much more balanced picture of what's actually going on. It will help you connect a lot more dots than the evening news and daily newspaper and your seasoned political cynicism could ever connect. But you can't get that info from traditional news sources. You need to go look for it elsewhere. And I'm not going to tell you where specifically, because that would rob you of some invaluable aha-moments and also keep you in this passive news consumer position. But actually, my main interest, really, is to not just balance your perspective of recent news developments, my main interest is more to get you to look beyond the simulation itself, to put this entire simulation called politics into perspective (as Abe have done in the video). You see, I could counter your points with counter points (and links!) very easily and you probably wouldn't even be interested in my counter points or just come up with some new points which I could counter again (or not) and so on, and then we are basically just re-enacting what they do on TV all day every day, people talking past each other, no one actually listening to the other, just throwing stuff around in order to justify their own state of (mostly miserable) beingness. And if that's what you are interested in, then I'd say, you have that on TV already. We don't need to do that here, on a non-duality forum. So going forward with this thread, I'd suggest to everyone to refrain from purely political commentary on recent news stories and instead make an effort to put everything into perspective, a larger context, similar to the way Abe and Amit tried to do it. Because that's something that would be in alignment with the purpose of this forum and it is also something most here are qualified to talk about. Just purely political commentary on the news, I am afraid, I see no one here sufficiently qualified (myself included) because no one here has access to 100% reliable information. So this would just be a competition about who tells the most convincing story. And that's different to spiritual topics, where everyone here, without exception, has direct access to the original source of everything. So lets move away from those shaky grounds to more solid foundations. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 13:19:26 GMT -5
A-H top of page 9 on DJT and us (them), quite brilliant. Yes, Abe get straight to the heart of the matter: If you would feel invincible, would you worry about the outcome of a national election? This also somewhat answers Amit's question: Lets introduce a nondual perspective into this thread. How would Trump, or any problem/suffering, be seen from that perspective? "Knowing you are nothing is wisdom. Knowng you are everything is Love". Niz. ================ And so, as far as the nation is concerned, we're maybe at a coin flip. Do enough people understand (by now) that most of his promises are empty? Well, that's an easy one. There's actually a website, promises made, promises kept. And I could come up with maybe 10 at the top of my head, without even googling it. If I do a bit of digging, I could probably come up with two dozens or more. Even NPR, two years ago, listed about 10 already that had either been accomplished or were in progress. So it's all too easy to prove you wrong here, which isn't my intention at all. So, I'll just skip it. But I think people here really need to get off this emotional line of argumentation. It's not helping this discussion. It may net them some emotional support from like-minded folks, but come November, they'll be emotionally worse off than ever. We can't just passively react to reality and try to ignore reality at the same time. That's not going to end well. From a LOA perspective, it's okay to ignore reality for a while when you know what your starting point is and where you are heading. In fact, you actually need to ignore reality in the beginning in order to gain any kind of momentum for something that is not in aliment with current reality or else you just recreate what you are already observing. However, that assumes that you are aware of the fact that you actually are the creator of your own reality. And that's very different from someone not knowing that s/he is the creator of her/his own reality (i.e. someone who is blaming some outside person or circumstances for what is happening in their life, like let's say a family member or a politician or 'the system') and who is ignoring reality at the same time. That will lead one into delusion. And that is bound to come to a head at some point and such people usually will be in for a rude awaking. Just think of all those people who were screaming at the sky on election night in 2016. How did they get to this point? Why didn't they see that coming? How could there be such a huge contrast between what they told themselves was going to happen and what actually happened? Don't get me wrong, I can understand your reasoning given the scope of info you have access to. I used to be in that exact same position. I'm just saying, there's a lot more info out there that will give you a much more balanced picture of what's actually going on. It will help you connect a lot more dots than the evening news and daily newspaper and your seasoned political cynicism could ever connect. But you can't get that info from traditional news sources. You need to go look for it elsewhere. And I'm not going to tell you where specifically, because that would rob you of some invaluable aha-moments and also keep you in this passive news consumer position. But actually, my main interest, really, is to not just balance your perspective of recent news developments, my main interest is more to get you to look beyond the simulation itself, to put this entire simulation called politics into perspective (as Abe have done in the video). You see, I could counter your points with counter points (and links!) very easily and you probably wouldn't even be interested in my counter points or just come up with some new points which I could counter again (or not) and so on, and then we are basically just re-enacting what they do on TV all day every day, people talking past each other, no one actually listening to the other, just throwing stuff around in order to justify their own state of (mostly miserable) beingness. And if that's what you are interested in, then I'd say, you have that on TV already. We don't need to do that here, on a non-duality forum. So going forward with this thread, I'd suggest to everyone to refrain from purely political commentary on recent news stories and instead make an effort to put everything into perspective, a larger context, similar to the way Abe and Amit tried to do it. Because that's something that would be in alignment with the purpose of this forum and it is also something most here are qualified to talk about. Just purely political commentary on the news, I am afraid, I see no one here sufficiently qualified (myself included) because no one here has access to 100% reliable information. So this would just be a competition about who tells the most convincing story. And that's different to spiritual topics, where everyone here, without exception, has direct access to the original source of everything. So lets move away from those shaky grounds to more solid foundations. This time you created something else named as 'ignoring'. So Ignoring would gain the momentum. Watch out carefully. That's why one has to realize the futility of 'nothing can be done'. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 28, 2020 14:23:03 GMT -5
yeah...it was just a little joke about the yanks. It's a stereotype that Americans only know about America, and as with any stereotype, it's largely untrue (but not without a smidgen of truth). Though I think I'm right that your news media focuses greatly on America, whereas ours is a smidgen more global, though that doesn't make it better and I turn off the news as soon as I see it come on. I've achieved pretty good mastery of hitting the remote button at great speed My impression is that the stereotype is usually true for people who haven't pursued a college education. It's easier for us 'mericuns (heee hee ... (warning, side-splitting but very offensive) ... ) to be that way and the reasons for that are myriad and might evolve into a (shameful ) text wall if I started writing about it. I did a stint at J.P. Morgan/Chase, and there are lots of Brits there. One of them once asked me if I'd ever been to Europe and I told her "no", and even though I added that it wasn't because I didn't want to go, it was like I was some sort of leper. Great clip |
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Post by laughter on Sept 28, 2020 14:39:13 GMT -5
My impression is that the stereotype is usually true for people who haven't pursued a college education. It's easier for us 'mericuns (heee hee ... (warning, side-splitting but very offensive) ... ) to be that way and the reasons for that are myriad and might evolve into a (shameful ) text wall if I started writing about it. I did a stint at J.P. Morgan/Chase, and there are lots of Brits there. One of them once asked me if I'd ever been to Europe and I told her "no", and even though I added that it wasn't because I didn't want to go, it was like I was some sort of leper. Great clip  .. the towels .. dude .. the towels .. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 28, 2020 14:55:56 GMT -5
Yes, Abe get straight to the heart of the matter: If you would feel invincible, would you worry about the outcome of a national election? This also somewhat answers Amit's question: ================ Well, that's an easy one. There's actually a website, promises made, promises kept. And I could come up with maybe 10 at the top of my head, without even googling it. If I do a bit of digging, I could probably come up with two dozens or more. Even NPR, two years ago, listed about 10 already that had either been accomplished or were in progress. So it's all too easy to prove you wrong here, which isn't my intention at all. So, I'll just skip it. But I think people here really need to get off this emotional line of argumentation. It's not helping this discussion. It may net them some emotional support from like-minded folks, but come November, they'll be emotionally worse off than ever. We can't just passively react to reality and try to ignore reality at the same time. That's not going to end well. From a LOA perspective, it's okay to ignore reality for a while when you know what your starting point is and where you are heading. In fact, you actually need to ignore reality in the beginning in order to gain any kind of momentum for something that is not in aliment with current reality or else you just recreate what you are already observing. However, that assumes that you are aware of the fact that you actually are the creator of your own reality. And that's very different from someone not knowing that s/he is the creator of her/his own reality (i.e. someone who is blaming some outside person or circumstances for what is happening in their life, like let's say a family member or a politician or 'the system') and who is ignoring reality at the same time. That will lead one into delusion. And that is bound to come to a head at some point and such people usually will be in for a rude awaking. Just think of all those people who were screaming at the sky on election night in 2016. How did they get to this point? Why didn't they see that coming? How could there be such a huge contrast between what they told themselves was going to happen and what actually happened? Don't get me wrong, I can understand your reasoning given the scope of info you have access to. I used to be in that exact same position. I'm just saying, there's a lot more info out there that will give you a much more balanced picture of what's actually going on. It will help you connect a lot more dots than the evening news and daily newspaper and your seasoned political cynicism could ever connect. But you can't get that info from traditional news sources. You need to go look for it elsewhere. And I'm not going to tell you where specifically, because that would rob you of some invaluable aha-moments and also keep you in this passive news consumer position. But actually, my main interest, really, is to not just balance your perspective of recent news developments, my main interest is more to get you to look beyond the simulation itself, to put this entire simulation called politics into perspective (as Abe have done in the video). You see, I could counter your points with counter points (and links!) very easily and you probably wouldn't even be interested in my counter points or just come up with some new points which I could counter again (or not) and so on, and then we are basically just re-enacting what they do on TV all day every day, people talking past each other, no one actually listening to the other, just throwing stuff around in order to justify their own state of (mostly miserable) beingness. And if that's what you are interested in, then I'd say, you have that on TV already. We don't need to do that here, on a non-duality forum. So going forward with this thread, I'd suggest to everyone to refrain from purely political commentary on recent news stories and instead make an effort to put everything into perspective, a larger context, similar to the way Abe and Amit tried to do it. Because that's something that would be in alignment with the purpose of this forum and it is also something most here are qualified to talk about. Just purely political commentary on the news, I am afraid, I see no one here sufficiently qualified (myself included) because no one here has access to 100% reliable information. So this would just be a competition about who tells the most convincing story. And that's different to spiritual topics, where everyone here, without exception, has direct access to the original source of everything. So lets move away from those shaky grounds to more solid foundations. This time you created something else named as 'ignoring'. So Ignoring would gain the momentum. Watch out carefully. That's why one has to realize the futility of 'nothing can be done'. No, he's saying if you stay focused on the same thing you just perpetuate the same feedback loop. Shift focus and you (can) break the cycle. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 28, 2020 15:02:17 GMT -5
I've had this image in my mind for about a week. I think this is what A-H are describing in the link on DJT.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 28, 2020 16:24:07 GMT -5
This is an oldie goldie. Of course we found out later it wasn't true (I've never obstructed justice). What are we hearing these days that isn't the truth?
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Post by laughter on Sept 28, 2020 18:09:49 GMT -5
This is an oldie goldie. Of course we found out later it wasn't true (I've never obstructed justice). What are we hearing these days that isn't the truth? Well, I could easily match this blow-for-blow, but I think that would be rather disrespectful to the forum overall, so, I'm deliberately choosing to refrain.  |
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) text wall if I started writing about it. 
.. the towels .. dude .. the towels .. 