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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 5:11:02 GMT -5
We are analyzing the history so we can't find some kind of concrete evidence instead we can try to find which of them are more reliable. Whether some one else has written the letters of Paul in the name of Paul is not under analysis now. We assume the letter which proclaimed to have written by Paul is his letter and also we assume because these writing dated back to 48AD-52AD and also Paul has died on 65 AD. There are seven epistles attributed to Paul that critical scholars agree are most likely actually written by him: 1Thessalonians, Philippians, Philemon, 1Corinthians, Galatians, 2Corinthians and Romans. The others that are attributed to him are most likely pseudepigraphical; i.e. claimed to be by him, but almost certainly written later by someone else who was trying to claim his authority. Critical scholars agree here that it's written by Paul but they do not know whether some body else has written in the name of Paul and you know nobody can know too.
Gospel of Thomas was started on early first century but ended at mid of second century and also this book highly deviated from the first century teaching.
You see, we are reading and trying to understand the books which were written by 2000 years ago. So It's tough to understand which one is correct and which one is wrong, but my observation is and my interest lies on how teaching deviates from first century to second century and to the third century and also how this small sect named Christians became world wide known religion after Theodosis The Roman Empire announces Christianity to be the official religion and banned paganism. I am reading the first century writings, very early writings are of paul(50AD) in which he considers Jesus as a preexisting celestial being who born for normal parent via sexual intercourse and he died for human's sin and rose again to take the selected people to heaven. And then Mark comes on the way(70AD), he doesn't believe Jesus as a celestial being who preexisted instead as a normal person who was announced as son of God at his baptism and then rest are all same like why he crucified and raised. And then at 80AD, Luke and Matthew writes a different story(see how story deviates), they both say that Jesus was directly Impregnated by Holyspirit without the help of human Father, they writes this because they have to make him son of God. Paul is not in the need of this story because he believes in preexisting son of God(though he became Christ at this resurrection). And then John came at 90AD, his opening passage goes into some other level like word was god and thomas called him at the end 'my lord and my God'.
If you watch it carefully, these stories are deviating while the time moves. But one thing remains same in all these first century writings was Jesus was a son of God who died for sin's of the world and resurrected no where it says Jesus is God but later books started to say some other story which includes the books of Thomas so it's not under the consideration.
the question as to why these four Gospel's are chosen? there were 20 gospels were around at that time, but these four are circulation for the longest and very early writings.
Your knowledge on the biblical origins far exceeds mine, as it's just not a topic I've ever devoted much attention to, so it's interesting to read your take, thanks. The philosophy that attempts to explain who Jesus was didn't interest me when I wasn't involved in practicing Christianity, and it doesn't really interest me all that much now - this is because the only way I could ever really set foot in a church was to question everything that I thought I believed in the first place. In reviewing some of the material that's been written about the "Gnostics", none of it seems to me to comport with the underlying message in the gospel of Thomas, and I'll leave you with yet another repetition of an alternate opinion as to why what's in the Bible was chosen for it: it fit the political and social needs of the men who were crafting a state religion. Since the book-burning and murder involving the Gnostics is part of the histories you rely on, you can't really be sure about any of the dates those histories report about them. One ironic point is that the guys who argued at Nicea were from Egypt, and Christianity ultimately didn't last there. While I can't discount every facet of Christian philosophy, it seems to me that "Jesus survives" at least as much in spite of that philosophy as because of it. The Catholics have a form of the mass where we all sing a song after communion that goes: "Jesus, how I thank you, for your goodness and your grace, for your presence in this place". If there's anything that can be taken literally about Christianity, it's that .. presence. If you're looking for a reason that Christianity spread and endured as it did, I'd advise looking there. Yeah. Convincing people that Eternality is only experienceable inside services conducted by the Catholic State can be deeply enduring and simultaneously, deeply devastating.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 8, 2020 5:44:56 GMT -5
Your knowledge on the biblical origins far exceeds mine, as it's just not a topic I've ever devoted much attention to, so it's interesting to read your take, thanks. The philosophy that attempts to explain who Jesus was didn't interest me when I wasn't involved in practicing Christianity, and it doesn't really interest me all that much now - this is because the only way I could ever really set foot in a church was to question everything that I thought I believed in the first place. In reviewing some of the material that's been written about the "Gnostics", none of it seems to me to comport with the underlying message in the gospel of Thomas, and I'll leave you with yet another repetition of an alternate opinion as to why what's in the Bible was chosen for it: it fit the political and social needs of the men who were crafting a state religion. Since the book-burning and murder involving the Gnostics is part of the histories you rely on, you can't really be sure about any of the dates those histories report about them. One ironic point is that the guys who argued at Nicea were from Egypt, and Christianity ultimately didn't last there. While I can't discount every facet of Christian philosophy, it seems to me that "Jesus survives" at least as much in spite of that philosophy as because of it. The Catholics have a form of the mass where we all sing a song after communion that goes: "Jesus, how I thank you, for your goodness and your grace, for your presence in this place". If there's anything that can be taken literally about Christianity, it's that .. presence. If you're looking for a reason that Christianity spread and endured as it did, I'd advise looking there. Yeah. Convincing people that Eternality is only experienceable inside services conducted by the Catholic State can be deeply enduring and simultaneously, deeply devastating. The devotion to the Sacred Heart (also known as the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, Sacratissimum Cor Iesu in Latin) is one of the most widely practiced and well-known Catholic devotions, wherein the heart of Jesus is viewed as a symbol of "God's boundless and passionate love for mankind". Bhagavad - Gita Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute TEXT 21 yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah sraddhayarcitum icchati tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham TRANSLATION " I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity."
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 8, 2020 6:12:26 GMT -5
The path of truth -- If there is silence when you are with someone, there is the possibility of love. — If there is silence when you are at work, there is the possibility of purpose, mastery, attainment. — If there is silence in a relationship, there is possibility of fulfillment. — If there is silence when you are really seeing something, there is the possibility of beauty. — If there is silence when you are grappling with an idea, there is the possibility of insight. — If there is silence when you are somewhere, there is the possibility of home. Whenever there's silence in you, that is your path. There is no tension there. No resistance. Your mind is silent, because your spirit accepts that movement. Now you have understood, at last, because you have lived the simplest truth of all. You are your path. When there is silence, the path is in you. Your path is all paths. An endless flow into purer and purer being. In complete silence you hear the sound of your heart beat. Now listen. What does your heart say? It says, "Lub.. Gud.. Lub...Gud.. Lub.. Gud." That's the path of truth in you. Yes. In the deep silence of the room, one only hears one's heart beat, nothing else. In deep sleep, one's body is still. But there's a lone activity. That's the heart, beating, never stopping. The mind, brain can't stop it. Though it can make it slow or fast but never stop. It goes on and on. What makes the heart in perpetual motion. There lies the mystery. Even when the brain's dead, heart still continue to beat. How can one stop it? Remove all the attachments that made it so, the IV fluids, the medicines injected, the artificial respirator, the tube feedings, mind/brain's dead. Yet, what keeps the heart going? Only God knows.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 8, 2020 8:02:40 GMT -5
In the deep silence of the room, one only hears one's heart beat, nothing else. In deep sleep, one's body is still. But there's a lone activity. That's the heart, beating, never stopping. The mind, brain can't stop it. Though it can make it slow or fast but never stop. It goes on and on. What makes the heart in perpetual motion. There lies the mystery. Even when the brain's dead, heart still continue to beat. How can one stop it? Remove all the attachments that made it so, the IV fluids, the medicines injected, the artificial respirator, the tube feedings, mind/brain's dead. Yet, what keeps the heart going? Only God knows. New Research Shows That The Heart Has Its Own 'Consciousness' The most common and widely held belief that the brain is the center of all consciousness might not be accurate at all. That's because the growing number of evidence has shown that the heart also plays a significant role in the conscious process. Dec 30, 2016 11:06 AM EST By Chris Brandt, UniversityHerald Reporter The most common and widely held belief that the brain is the center of all consciousness might not be accurate at all. That's because the growing number of evidence has shown that the heart also plays a significant role in the conscious process. Neurocardiology is an emerging field in medicine that has been around over the last decade. Its main focus is on how the brain and the heart communicate through the nervous system. Recent research in this field shows that the heart has its own 'brain' - that the heart also has a center which receives and carries information. The 'heart brain' as doctors loosely refer to it, enables the heart to learn, remember, and make decisions apart from the cerebral cortex. Further research shows that the heart can also influence the brain by continuously sending signals related to perception, cognition, and emotions. Scientists at the Institute of HeartMath gave an example saying that when the heart feels positive emotions like happiness, love, or appreciation, the heart beats a certain message. According to them, the heart produces the largest electromagnetic field in the body, they were also able to get extensive data from it. According to Dr. Rolin McCratey, the director of the Institute, the electromagnetic field holds the emotional information sent out by the heart. If we change how we feel or our emotions, we also change the code inside that electromagnetic field; thus, affecting the people around us. This explains why some people still find inner peace and happiness within themselves despite the troubles and problems they face. Aside from that, the scientists also found that both the heart and the brain have intuition. They both receive and respond to certain events before they happen. What's more surprising, according to the scientists, is that the heart seemed to receive this information first even before the brain does
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 9:14:00 GMT -5
Yeah. Convincing people that Eternality is only experienceable inside services conducted by the Catholic State can be deeply enduring and simultaneously, deeply devastating. The devotion to the Sacred Heart (also known as the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, Sacratissimum Cor Iesu in Latin) is one of the most widely practiced and well-known Catholic devotions, wherein the heart of Jesus is viewed as a symbol of "God's boundless and passionate love for mankind".
Bhagavad - Gita Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute TEXT 21 yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah sraddhayarcitum icchati tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham TRANSLATION " I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity." Is there any greater a hook for the mind of a man, than to believe that the sensation in the centre of his ribcage is bestowed upon him by his beloved Creator?
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 8, 2020 9:34:10 GMT -5
The devotion to the Sacred Heart (also known as the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, Sacratissimum Cor Iesu in Latin) is one of the most widely practiced and well-known Catholic devotions, wherein the heart of Jesus is viewed as a symbol of "God's boundless and passionate love for mankind".
Bhagavad - Gita Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute TEXT 21 yo yo yam yam tanum bhaktah sraddhayarcitum icchati tasya tasyacalam sraddham tam eva vidadhamy aham TRANSLATION " I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity." Is there any greater a hook for the mind of a man, than to believe that the sensation in the centre of his ribcage is bestowed upon him by his beloved Creator? Mark 12:30-31 New International Version (NIV) 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 9:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Mar 8, 2020 23:27:11 GMT -5
The same self that would inquire as to whose will it is. Which, it cannot be denied is the very substance of the beggar of questions about the nature of Jeshua and his mortal lives. No, I'd certainly not deny that.
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Post by laughter on Mar 8, 2020 23:28:49 GMT -5
Your knowledge on the biblical origins far exceeds mine, as it's just not a topic I've ever devoted much attention to, so it's interesting to read your take, thanks. The philosophy that attempts to explain who Jesus was didn't interest me when I wasn't involved in practicing Christianity, and it doesn't really interest me all that much now - this is because the only way I could ever really set foot in a church was to question everything that I thought I believed in the first place. In reviewing some of the material that's been written about the "Gnostics", none of it seems to me to comport with the underlying message in the gospel of Thomas, and I'll leave you with yet another repetition of an alternate opinion as to why what's in the Bible was chosen for it: it fit the political and social needs of the men who were crafting a state religion. Since the book-burning and murder involving the Gnostics is part of the histories you rely on, you can't really be sure about any of the dates those histories report about them. One ironic point is that the guys who argued at Nicea were from Egypt, and Christianity ultimately didn't last there. While I can't discount every facet of Christian philosophy, it seems to me that "Jesus survives" at least as much in spite of that philosophy as because of it. The Catholics have a form of the mass where we all sing a song after communion that goes: "Jesus, how I thank you, for your goodness and your grace, for your presence in this place". If there's anything that can be taken literally about Christianity, it's that .. presence. If you're looking for a reason that Christianity spread and endured as it did, I'd advise looking there. Yeah. Convincing people that Eternality is only experienceable inside services conducted by the Catholic State can be deeply enduring and simultaneously, deeply devastating. Personally, I see some merit in the Protestant view. It was Mormon missionary's that first taught me how to pray. And a Christian mass or prayer is only one of many ways to a silent body/mind.
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