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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 9:20:17 GMT -5
I vote yes, Jesus was an advait, since he said he and the father were one but I think that if someone was looking for a teacher they’d be better off with a living one Isn't there only ever one teacher? But many disguises. My best teacher, the one that broke me down, is a deaf dog.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2020 17:43:24 GMT -5
Jews as gods not God. Demigods, or half-bloods, are a race of beings who are half-mortal, half-god. They possess mortal souls and are vulnerable to old age and death though longer than average human lifespans; however, their godly blood endows them with special abilities that allow them to achieve feats usually not possible by humans.
Fast forward : Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews to prove they were not gods. Set up his own Aryan race. Wow! Must be a club performer in Vegas. 😏
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 3, 2020 17:49:46 GMT -5
Jews as gods not God. Demigods, or half-bloods, are a race of beings who are half-mortal, half-god. They possess mortal souls and are vulnerable to old age and death though longer than average human lifespans; however, their godly blood endows them with special abilities that allow them to achieve feats usually not possible by humans. Fast forward : Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews to prove they were not gods. Set up his own Aryan race. You missed the point. And relating Psalm 82 with Hitler in this context is as silly as saying HIV is God's punishment. Please. The point is Jesus equated his claims about God to Psalm 82's. So was he lying to save his skin or did he mean it? A catch 22 question. If I say yes, Jesus was lying, I be damned. But if I say no, Jesus was telling the truth, I be damned if he did. The answer would be neither if Jesus was an Advait.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 4, 2020 7:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 4, 2020 11:06:39 GMT -5
Mahāvatār Bābājī (literally; Great Avatar (Revered) Father or Elder or Wise One) is the name given to an Indian yogi by Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasaya, and several of his disciples, who reported meeting him between 1861 and 1935. Some of these meetings were described by Paramahansa Yogananda in his 1946 book Autobiography of a Yogi, including a report of Yogananda's own meeting with the yogi. Another account was given by Sri Yukteswar Giri in his 1894 book The Holy Science. According to Sri M's autobiography (Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master), Babaji was Lord Shiva. In the second last chapter of his book, he mentions Babaji changing his form to that of Lord Shiva. All of these accounts, along with additional reported meetings, are described in various biographies. According to Yogananda's autobiography, Babaji has resided for at least hundreds of years in the remote Himalayan regions of India, seen in person by only a small number of disciples and others.(Wikipedia). " Mahavatar Babaji is one of the immortal Himalayan Yogis and the Guru of Paramahamsa Vishwananda. He is the Paramguru (highest Guru) of the Atma Kriya lineage and the founder of Atma Kriya Yoga. Babaji is beyond time and space, ever-present on this plane. Babaji's none other than Sri Krsna Himself, said to be in constant communion with Jesus Christ. One of his fundamental teachings is: if I realized the Divine, so can we. He is in a state of constant prayer, sending waves of peace and love to humanity and rendering assistance to other Gurus." - Bhakti Marga Mahavatar Babaji
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 5, 2020 0:13:23 GMT -5
Kriya is a form of yoga where the follower is made to under go rigid physical exercises in raising one`s soul from his/her Kundalini " Saccro-coccygeal nerves", to the abdomen " solar nerves", to the thorax " Cardio-throracic nerves" , to the neck " cervical nerves " until it reaches the pineal gland " 3rd eye" in the brain. It takes a lot of practice under a Kriya guru to master the art of lifting up the soul from this so called "chakras " to opening & closing of the 3rd eye. Where the soul exits & travels " astrally " wherever it wants to go in the ethereal world.
Jesus did Kriya whenever he meditated. Then he did what has to be done finally, in public, at the cross in Mt Calvary.
The seven chakras: the root chakra, the sacral chakra, the solar plexus chakra, the heart chakra, the throat chakra, the third eye chakra and lastly the crown chakra. Chakras are the seven centres of spiritual power housed within each human body.
The seven last words of Christ. They represent the seven chakras. 1.1 1. Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. 1.2 2. Today you will be with me in paradise. 1.3 3. Woman, behold, thy son! Son, behold, thy mother! 1.4 4. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 1.5 5. I thirst. 1.6 6. It is finished. 1.7 7. Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.
" There has been so much talk about peace being the highest possibility. But for someone seeking their ultimate nature, peace is only the beginning; it is not the ultimate goal." -Sadhguru
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 5, 2020 8:53:22 GMT -5
Will Kriya make one immortal after piercing the crown chakra? Jesus succeded, rose from the dead in three days. Unfortunately, Yogananda did not rise three days thereafter his Samadhi. If Yogananda did, he would have achieved what Jesus said was His Second Coming. The body of Paramhansa Yogananda, who died on March 7, 1952, remained “in a phenomenal state of immutability.” Mr. Harry T. Rowe, Mortuary Director of Forest Lawn Memorial-Park Association, tells “the whole amazing story” in a notarized three-page letter that is reproduced in full in this issue of Self-Realization Magazine. Extracts from the letter follow: Extracts from Forest Lawn Letter “The absence of any visual signs of decay in the dead body of Paramhansa Yogananda offers the most extraordinary case in our experience …. No physical disintegration was visible in Yogananda’s body even twenty days after death. The body was under daily observation at the Mortuary … from March 11, 1952, the day of the last public rites, until March 27, 1952, when the bronze casket was sealed by fire. During this period no indication of mold was visible on Yogananda’s skin, and no visible desiccation (drying up) took place in the bodily tissues. This state of perfect preservation of a body is, so far as we know from mortuary annals, an unparalleled one. ” …. When ptomaine acids become active, deterioration of tissues is rapid. Yogananda’s body was apparently devoid of any impurities by which muscle proteins could be resolved into ptomaine acids. His tissues remained intact.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 5, 2020 10:07:41 GMT -5
Mahāvatār Bābājī (literally; Great Avatar (Revered) Father or Elder or Wise One) is the name given to an Indian yogi by Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasaya, and several of his disciples, who reported meeting him between 1861 and 1935. Some of these meetings were described by Paramahansa Yogananda in his 1946 book Autobiography of a Yogi, including a report of Yogananda's own meeting with the yogi. Another account was given by Sri Yukteswar Giri in his 1894 book The Holy Science. According to Sri M's autobiography (Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master), Babaji was Lord Shiva. In the second last chapter of his book, he mentions Babaji changing his form to that of Lord Shiva. All of these accounts, along with additional reported meetings, are described in various biographies. According to Yogananda's autobiography, Babaji has resided for at least hundreds of years in the remote Himalayan regions of India, seen in person by only a small number of disciples and others.(Wikipedia). "Mahavatar Babaji is one of the immortal Himalayan Yogis and the Guru of Paramahamsa Vishwananda. He is the Paramguru (highest Guru) of the Atma Kriya lineage and the founder of Atma Kriya Yoga. Babaji is beyond time and space, ever-present on this plane. Babaji's none other than Sri Krsna Himself, said to be in constant communion with Jesus Christ. One of his fundamental teachings is: if I realized the Divine, so can we. He is in a state of constant prayer, sending waves of peace and love to humanity and rendering assistance to other Gurus." - Bhakti Marga Mahavatar Babaji Check out Haidakhan Babaji!
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 5, 2020 11:27:25 GMT -5
Mahāvatār Bābājī (literally; Great Avatar (Revered) Father or Elder or Wise One) is the name given to an Indian yogi by Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasaya, and several of his disciples, who reported meeting him between 1861 and 1935. Some of these meetings were described by Paramahansa Yogananda in his 1946 book Autobiography of a Yogi, including a report of Yogananda's own meeting with the yogi. Another account was given by Sri Yukteswar Giri in his 1894 book The Holy Science. According to Sri M's autobiography (Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master), Babaji was Lord Shiva. In the second last chapter of his book, he mentions Babaji changing his form to that of Lord Shiva. All of these accounts, along with additional reported meetings, are described in various biographies. According to Yogananda's autobiography, Babaji has resided for at least hundreds of years in the remote Himalayan regions of India, seen in person by only a small number of disciples and others.(Wikipedia). "Mahavatar Babaji is one of the immortal Himalayan Yogis and the Guru of Paramahamsa Vishwananda. He is the Paramguru (highest Guru) of the Atma Kriya lineage and the founder of Atma Kriya Yoga. Babaji is beyond time and space, ever-present on this plane. Babaji's none other than Sri Krsna Himself, said to be in constant communion with Jesus Christ. One of his fundamental teachings is: if I realized the Divine, so can we. He is in a state of constant prayer, sending waves of peace and love to humanity and rendering assistance to other Gurus." - Bhakti Marga Mahavatar Babaji Check out Haidakhan Babaji! While performing Kriya in 1922 Haidakhan Babaji suddenly died when he timely pierced his crown chakra. When he was buried like Jesus came back to life . Four decades later Haidakhan Babaji resurfaced in 1970 where it was reported he spent forty-five days meditating in a small temple on the top of the Kumaon Mount Kailash "without leaving his seat." In September 1971, Haidakhan Babaji, in a sworn testimony, convinced the judge of the court in Haldwani that he was the "Old Hariakhan Baba,” thought to be active in that region in the years 1860–1922, and that he had the right to use the ashrams in Kathgaria and Haidakhan. After winning the case, Haidakhan Babaji started travelling across India, proclaiming his Message, performing sacred ceremonies, such as yagna, and attracting more devotees. Though some of his followers believed he was immortal, Haidakhan Babaji took Mahasamadhi on 14 February 1984, local sources would say it appeared to be a heart failure. It appears that Haidakhan Babaji pointed out or implied a few times that he was identical with Mahavatar Babaji described in Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi." This claim is apparently disputed by the Self-Realization Fellowship, the society founded by Paramahansa Yogananda. The practices of these latter differ. Those by Baba Haidakhan were much simpler and did not involve any secret ceremony.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 5, 2020 20:31:28 GMT -5
It appears that Haidakhan Babaji pointed out or implied a few times that he was identical with Mahavatar Babaji described in Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi." This claim is apparently disputed by the Self-Realization Fellowship, the society founded by Paramahansa Yogananda. The practices of these latter differ. Those by Baba Haidakhan were much simpler and did not involve any secret ceremony. That here is the interesting part.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 5, 2020 23:23:20 GMT -5
It appears that Haidakhan Babaji pointed out or implied a few times that he was identical with Mahavatar Babaji described in Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi." This claim is apparently disputed by the Self-Realization Fellowship, the society founded by Paramahansa Yogananda. The practices of these latter differ. Those by Baba Haidakhan were much simpler and did not involve any secret ceremony. That here is the interesting part. Yogiraj Lahiri Mahasaya was Mahavatar Babaji's Guru in Kriya yoga whom the former met in 1861. Whereas Haidakan Babaji (1860) was only a baby. When their second meeting in 1935 took place, it's possible it was Haidakhan Babaji instead of Mahavatar Babaji whom Lahiri Mahasaya met (Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda's account). A case of mistaken identity. It was thought the Old Heriakhan Baba aka Haidakhan Babaji died in 1922. But he resurfaced in 1970 where it was reported he spent forty-five days meditating in a small temple on the top of the Kumaon Mount Kailash "without leaving his seat." It was confirmed in 1971 by a court judge in Haldwani that Haidakhan Babaji was indeed the Old Heriakhan Baba. If you look at Haidakan Babaji's picture he looks young not old for an age of 124 when he took his Mahasamadhi on Feb 14, 1984. I'm not very much interested in the controversy whether or not Haidakhan Babaji's identical with Mahavatar Babaji. Both of which practiced Kriya yoga. What I'm interested if Kriya actually lengthens /prolongs/ lmmortals life.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 5, 2020 23:36:24 GMT -5
What I'm interested if Kriya actually lengthens /prolongs/ lmmortals life. I don't know. But even if it does, what would be the point of that?
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Post by laughter on Mar 6, 2020 0:54:48 GMT -5
We are analyzing the history so we can't find some kind of concrete evidence instead we can try to find which of them are more reliable. Whether some one else has written the letters of Paul in the name of Paul is not under analysis now. We assume the letter which proclaimed to have written by Paul is his letter and also we assume because these writing dated back to 48AD-52AD and also Paul has died on 65 AD. There are seven epistles attributed to Paul that critical scholars agree are most likely actually written by him: 1Thessalonians, Philippians, Philemon, 1Corinthians, Galatians, 2Corinthians and Romans. The others that are attributed to him are most likely pseudepigraphical; i.e. claimed to be by him, but almost certainly written later by someone else who was trying to claim his authority. Critical scholars agree here that it's written by Paul but they do not know whether some body else has written in the name of Paul and you know nobody can know too.
Gospel of Thomas was started on early first century but ended at mid of second century and also this book highly deviated from the first century teaching.
You see, we are reading and trying to understand the books which were written by 2000 years ago. So It's tough to understand which one is correct and which one is wrong, but my observation is and my interest lies on how teaching deviates from first century to second century and to the third century and also how this small sect named Christians became world wide known religion after Theodosis The Roman Empire announces Christianity to be the official religion and banned paganism. I am reading the first century writings, very early writings are of paul(50AD) in which he considers Jesus as a preexisting celestial being who born for normal parent via sexual intercourse and he died for human's sin and rose again to take the selected people to heaven. And then Mark comes on the way(70AD), he doesn't believe Jesus as a celestial being who preexisted instead as a normal person who was announced as son of God at his baptism and then rest are all same like why he crucified and raised. And then at 80AD, Luke and Matthew writes a different story(see how story deviates), they both say that Jesus was directly Impregnated by Holyspirit without the help of human Father, they writes this because they have to make him son of God. Paul is not in the need of this story because he believes in preexisting son of God(though he became Christ at this resurrection). And then John came at 90AD, his opening passage goes into some other level like word was god and thomas called him at the end 'my lord and my God'.
If you watch it carefully, these stories are deviating while the time moves. But one thing remains same in all these first century writings was Jesus was a son of God who died for sin's of the world and resurrected no where it says Jesus is God but later books started to say some other story which includes the books of Thomas so it's not under the consideration.
the question as to why these four Gospel's are chosen? there were 20 gospels were around at that time, but these four are circulation for the longest and very early writings.
Your knowledge on the biblical origins far exceeds mine, as it's just not a topic I've ever devoted much attention to, so it's interesting to read your take, thanks. The philosophy that attempts to explain who Jesus was didn't interest me when I wasn't involved in practicing Christianity, and it doesn't really interest me all that much now - this is because the only way I could ever really set foot in a church was to question everything that I thought I believed in the first place. In reviewing some of the material that's been written about the "Gnostics", none of it seems to me to comport with the underlying message in the gospel of Thomas, and I'll leave you with yet another repetition of an alternate opinion as to why what's in the Bible was chosen for it: it fit the political and social needs of the men who were crafting a state religion. Since the book-burning and murder involving the Gnostics is part of the histories you rely on, you can't really be sure about any of the dates those histories report about them. One ironic point is that the guys who argued at Nicea were from Egypt, and Christianity ultimately didn't last there. While I can't discount every facet of Christian philosophy, it seems to me that "Jesus survives" at least as much in spite of that philosophy as because of it. The Catholics have a form of the mass where we all sing a song after communion that goes: "Jesus, how I thank you, for your goodness and your grace, for your presence in this place". If there's anything that can be taken literally about Christianity, it's that .. presence. If you're looking for a reason that Christianity spread and endured as it did, I'd advise looking there.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 6, 2020 0:55:26 GMT -5
What I'm interested if Kriya actually lengthens /prolongs/ lmmortals life. I don't know. But even if it does, what would be the point of that? It takes a lot of hard work, practice to reach SR /Samadhi. Others don't do anything, or all of the sudden becomes self - realize. Yet the self - realization process does not end there. It's a life time endeavor. There are people whose goal is reaching say, 80 when they turn say, 70. It's really all about the quality of life you want to engage in. If learning how to become SR prolongs /lengthens life or gives one immortality then the energy invested including the time spent do not die in vain.Otherwise SR is just another form of entertainment. Corinthians 15:58 New International Version " Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 4:57:16 GMT -5
We are analyzing the history so we can't find some kind of concrete evidence instead we can try to find which of them are more reliable. Whether some one else has written the letters of Paul in the name of Paul is not under analysis now. We assume the letter which proclaimed to have written by Paul is his letter and also we assume because these writing dated back to 48AD-52AD and also Paul has died on 65 AD. There are seven epistles attributed to Paul that critical scholars agree are most likely actually written by him: 1Thessalonians, Philippians, Philemon, 1Corinthians, Galatians, 2Corinthians and Romans. The others that are attributed to him are most likely pseudepigraphical; i.e. claimed to be by him, but almost certainly written later by someone else who was trying to claim his authority. Critical scholars agree here that it's written by Paul but they do not know whether some body else has written in the name of Paul and you know nobody can know too.
Gospel of Thomas was started on early first century but ended at mid of second century and also this book highly deviated from the first century teaching.
You see, we are reading and trying to understand the books which were written by 2000 years ago. So It's tough to understand which one is correct and which one is wrong, but my observation is and my interest lies on how teaching deviates from first century to second century and to the third century and also how this small sect named Christians became world wide known religion after Theodosis The Roman Empire announces Christianity to be the official religion and banned paganism. I am reading the first century writings, very early writings are of paul(50AD) in which he considers Jesus as a preexisting celestial being who born for normal parent via sexual intercourse and he died for human's sin and rose again to take the selected people to heaven. And then Mark comes on the way(70AD), he doesn't believe Jesus as a celestial being who preexisted instead as a normal person who was announced as son of God at his baptism and then rest are all same like why he crucified and raised. And then at 80AD, Luke and Matthew writes a different story(see how story deviates), they both say that Jesus was directly Impregnated by Holyspirit without the help of human Father, they writes this because they have to make him son of God. Paul is not in the need of this story because he believes in preexisting son of God(though he became Christ at this resurrection). And then John came at 90AD, his opening passage goes into some other level like word was god and thomas called him at the end 'my lord and my God'.
If you watch it carefully, these stories are deviating while the time moves. But one thing remains same in all these first century writings was Jesus was a son of God who died for sin's of the world and resurrected no where it says Jesus is God but later books started to say some other story which includes the books of Thomas so it's not under the consideration.
the question as to why these four Gospel's are chosen? there were 20 gospels were around at that time, but these four are circulation for the longest and very early writings.
Your knowledge on the biblical origins far exceeds mine, as it's just not a topic I've ever devoted much attention to, so it's interesting to read your take, thanks. The philosophy that attempts to explain who Jesus was didn't interest me when I wasn't involved in practicing Christianity, and it doesn't really interest me all that much now - this is because the only way I could ever really set foot in a church was to question everything that I thought I believed in the first place. In reviewing some of the material that's been written about the "Gnostics", none of it seems to me to comport with the underlying message in the gospel of Thomas, and I'll leave you with yet another repetition of an alternate opinion as to why what's in the Bible was chosen for it: it fit the political and social needs of the men who were crafting a state religion. Since the book-burning and murder involving the Gnostics is part of the histories you rely on, you can't really be sure about any of the dates those histories report about them. One ironic point is that the guys who argued at Nicea were from Egypt, and Christianity ultimately didn't last there. While I can't discount every facet of Christian philosophy, it seems to me that "Jesus survives" at least as much in spite of that philosophy as because of it. The Catholics have a form of the mass where we all sing a song after communion that goes: "Jesus, how I thank you, for your goodness and your grace, for your presence in this place". If there's anything that can be taken literally about Christianity, it's that .. presence. If you're looking for a reason that Christianity spread and endured as it did, I'd advise looking there. Jeshua's survival is as much dependent upon his will as it is upon humanity's love for Him.
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