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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 26, 2020 15:14:42 GMT -5
John 18:33-38 New International Version (NIV)
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 26, 2020 19:32:18 GMT -5
John 15:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
" Which God are you talking about? What is God? Is he not the very light by which you ask the question? ‘I am’ itself is God. The seeking itself is God. In seeking you discover that you are neither the body nor mind, and the love of the self in you is for the self in all. The two are one. The consciousness in you and the consciousness in me, apparently two, really one, seek unity and that is love. "
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2020 17:27:02 GMT -5
Matthew 6:25-34
“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. "
" What was never lost can never be found. Your very search for safety and joy keeps you away from them. Stop searching, cease losing. The disease is simple and the remedy equally simple. It is your mind only that makes you insecure and unhappy. Anticipation makes you insecure, memory -- unhappy. Stop misusing your mind and all will be well with you. You need not set it right -- it will set itself right, as soon as you give up all concern with the past and the future and live entirely in the now."
- Nisagardatta Maharaj
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:39:16 GMT -5
Stop misusing your mind and all will be well with you. You need not set it right -- it will set itself right, as soon as you give up all concern with the past and the future and live entirely in the now." - Nisagardatta Maharaj Which I'm afraid may take me a lifetime to do so. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 27, 2020 20:23:46 GMT -5
Luke 17:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
" When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love. And between these two, my life flows."
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 28, 2020 19:23:33 GMT -5
6:19-21 New International Version (NIV)
Treasures in Heaven
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
"The pure mind sees things as they are - bubbles in consciousness. These bubbles are appearing, disappearing and reappearing - without having real being."
- Nisargadatta
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 29, 2020 7:17:37 GMT -5
Jesus Seven Last Words
1) "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34)
" Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates."
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
2) "This day you will be with me in Paradise." (Luke 23:43)
"What we think, we become.”
- Buddha
3)"Woman, behold your son." (John 19:26-27)
"I Am That"
Nisargadatta Maharaj
4) "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34; Matthew 27:46)
" The consciousness in you and the consciousness in me, apparently two, really one, seek unity and that is love."
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
5) "I thirst." (John 19:28)
" You may die a hundred deaths without a break in the mental turmoil. Or, you may keep your body and die only in the mind. The death of the mind is the birth of wisdom."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
6) "It is finished." (John 19:30)
" Your expectation of something unique and dramatic, of some wonderful explosion, is merely hindering and delaying your Self Realization. You are not to expect an explosion, for the explosion has already happened - at the moment when you were born, when you realized yourself as Being-Knowing-Feeling. There is only one mistake you are making: you take the inner for the outer and the outer for the inner. What is in you, you take to be outside you and what is outside, you take to be in you. The mind and feelings are external, but you take them to be intimate. You believe the world to be objective, while it is entirely a projection of your psyche. That is the basic confusion and no new explosion will set it right! You have to think yourself out of it. There is no other way."
Nisargadatta Maharaj,
7) "Into your hands I commit my spirit." (Luke 23:46)
" Cooperate with your destiny, don't go against it, don't thwart it. Allow it to fulfill itself."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 29, 2020 8:54:08 GMT -5
I AM
Jesus used the same phrase “I AM” in seven declarations about Himself. In all seven, He combines I AM with tremendous metaphors which express His saving relationship toward the world. All appear in the book of John. They are I AM the Bread of Life (John 6:35, 41, 48, 51); I AM the Light of the World (John 8:12); I AM the Door of the Sheep (John 10:7, 9); I AM the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14); I AM the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25); I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6); and I AM the True Vine (John 15:1, 5).
" My Guru ordered me to attend to the sense 'I am' and to give attention to nothing else. I just obeyed. I did not follow any particular course of breathing, or meditation, or study of scriptures. Whatever happened, I would turn away my attention from it and remain with the sense 'I am'. It may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so. Yet it worked!"
- Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 10:50:26 GMT -5
Did you not know that Jesus and Nisargadatta were the same Being?
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 29, 2020 12:34:35 GMT -5
Did you not know that Jesus and Nisargadatta were the same Being? Yes! The consciousness in Jesus and the consciousness in Nisagardatta , apparently two, are really one, when unity is sought is love. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2020 6:36:46 GMT -5
Matthew 18 :13
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus was referring to SR.
" Your expectation of something unique and dramatic, of some wonderful explosion, is merely hindering and delaying your Self Realization. You are not to expect an explosion, for the explosion has already happened - at the moment when you were born, when you realized yourself as Being-Knowing-Feeling."
- Nisargadatta
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2020 17:55:07 GMT -5
Samadhi at the Cross
Luke 23 :46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. "
This is Jivanmukta—liberation while still in a physical body. The afflictions of all karmas have been removed, the Yogi becomes ever free and shines in his or her own glory. It is said that in this state, the Yogi sees without eyes, tastes without tongue, hears without ears, smells without nose, and touches without skin.
Everyone thought Jesus was dead. Good thing Jesus wasn't cremated. With Jesus body burned to ashes, there would have been no Resurrection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 18:50:42 GMT -5
Samadhi at the Cross Luke 23 :46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. " This is Jivanmukta—liberation while still in a physical body. The afflictions of all karmas have been removed, the Yogi becomes ever free and shines in his or her own glory. It is said that in this state, the Yogi sees without eyes, tastes without tongue, hears without ears, smells without nose, and touches without skin. Everyone thought Jesus was dead. Good thing Jesus wasn't cremated. With Jesus body burned to ashes, there would have been no Resurrection. Not true. The Gnostics believe that Simon of Cyrene was crucified and not Jesus. Jesus was always a celestial being and so couldn't be killed. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 1, 2020 21:10:36 GMT -5
Samadhi at the Cross Luke 23 :46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. " This is Jivanmukta—liberation while still in a physical body. The afflictions of all karmas have been removed, the Yogi becomes ever free and shines in his or her own glory. It is said that in this state, the Yogi sees without eyes, tastes without tongue, hears without ears, smells without nose, and touches without skin. Everyone thought Jesus was dead. Good thing Jesus wasn't cremated. With Jesus body burned to ashes, there would have been no Resurrection. Not true. The Gnostics believe that Simon of Cyrene was crucified and not Jesus. Jesus was always a celestial being and so couldn't be killed. Question: What's gnosticism? Answer: Gnosticism, which gets its name from the Greek word gnosis (“knowledge”) was a religious movement beginning, possibly, before the time of Christ and extending into the first few centuries of the Christian era. Gnostics viewed themselves as “those who know.” Their heretical teachings varied from group to group and can’t be pinned down with specificity, but common gnostic beliefs included these: 1. Although Christ appeared to be human, his humanity was merely an illusion. 2. Christ appeared to die, but did not really die. The Crucifixion was really a crucifiction. 3. Christ was not truly God, the second Person of the Trinity. He was merely a created being who was the lowest of the aeons, a group of semi-divine beings between God and man. Each lower aeon was given power by a higher aeon. Christ, the aeon furthest removed from God, created the world because God was too pure to dirty himself with matter. 4. Matter is evil, so one can do anything one wants with one’s body, including killing it to release the soul from its imprisonment. 5. The God of the Old Testament is evil, as evidenced by the fact that he created the material universe. He is not the same as the God of the New Testament, who is the God of Love, as Jesus and his apostles taught (1 Jn 4:8, 16). 6. People are saved by acquiring secret knowledge (gnosis), which is imparted only to the initiated. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 1, 2020 22:04:50 GMT -5
Not true. The Gnostics believe that Simon of Cyrene was crucified and not Jesus. Jesus was always a celestial being and so couldn't be killed. Question: What's gnosticism? Answer: Gnosticism, which gets its name from the Greek word gnosis (“knowledge”) was a religious movement beginning, possibly, before the time of Christ and extending into the first few centuries of the Christian era. Gnostics viewed themselves as “those who know.” Their heretical teachings varied from group to group and can’t be pinned down with specificity, but common gnostic beliefs included these: 1. Although Christ appeared to be human, his humanity was merely an illusion. 2. Christ appeared to die, but did not really die. The Crucifixion was really a crucifiction. 3. Christ was not truly God, the second Person of the Trinity. He was merely a created being who was the lowest of the aeons, a group of semi-divine beings between God and man. Each lower aeon was given power by a higher aeon. Christ, the aeon furthest removed from God, created the world because God was too pure to dirty himself with matter. 4. Matter is evil, so one can do anything one wants with one’s body, including killing it to release the soul from its imprisonment. 5. The God of the Old Testament is evil, as evidenced by the fact that he created the material universe. He is not the same as the God of the New Testament, who is the God of Love, as Jesus and his apostles taught (1 Jn 4:8, 16). 6. People are saved by acquiring secret knowledge (gnosis), which is imparted only to the initiated. So, every time I've started reading the Gospel of Thomas or read excerpts of it, it's really clear that it's essentially the same nondual pointing that any one of a number of teachers over the years has expounded, including Niz, Ramana, Adya, Tolle, Spira, Mooji, etc. .. bearing the burden of defiling myself with what comes out of my mouth, here goes. Alot of what you've quoted there seems to my eye to be the voice of what Jed Mckenna would call talking caterpillars. All this talk of the evil flesh is just plain bullsh!t, as is all the hierarchy of spirits blah-blah. The underlying existential question is: "what is creation?". If you ask me (which I know you didn't  ), I say, meditate on the notion of eternity as completely sideways to the notion of time. There's no way the intellect will ever figure that one out, so, "be still and know". It's poignant and tragic, but not really surprising that the "Gnostics", whoever they were, met the fate they did. The existential truth will ever and always defy the act of institutionalization. How can you ever condition the unconditional? If you want a succinct explanation for why Christianity went the way it did it's right there, completely up front in the gospel:
7. Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human." There's more than one way this applies, but one is that the Gnostics were the human in this instance, and the lion is the early Church that exterminated them. "Not born of a woman" refers to someone who has realized the existential truth, "died before death", and knows they're not their body, their mind, nor their story. In the gospel, Thomas is given the secret after he answer's Jesus by acknowledging and pointing to the ineffable .. compare that with this.
Think about the discovery of the Nag Hamadi scrolls, how unlikely it is and the timing of it. We could roll through Thomas phrase by phrase if you like. Most of it can be directly related to one or more nondual pointers.
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), I say, meditate on the notion of eternity as completely sideways to the notion of time. There's no way the intellect will ever figure that one out, so, "be still and know".