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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:17:55 GMT -5
It isn't fully created. It becomes 'fully' 'created' by your own understanding.. which is what perception is. What you are perceiving is completely created thought/perception. Wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:18:20 GMT -5
depends on context. Do you fancy answering the question I asked before? I highlighted 'your awareness', because I see that as a context mix. I'm having great difficulty getting him to establish context for I/my. May you have better luck. I am saying something simple, looking creates the looker while everybody believes otherway around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:18:40 GMT -5
What you are perceiving is completely created thought/perception. Wrong. Nope, I am correct. You are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:19:02 GMT -5
I don't see a problem if peeps want to stand their ground, but your not addressing my point made . Why do you tell other's they are speculating when you are doing the same .. Can you answer me this? I am simply seeing and telling you. I speak what I sure of. I am seeing I am perceiving and I am seeing my perception continue to move on from one to another. So I speak from there. Speak from where the perception is much, much, more subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:19:09 GMT -5
But what it is that which is creating that perception you have? Watch your thoughts/Perceptions carefully. You are perceiving the flow of thoughts/perceptions. Clear? thoughts/perception continue to change from one from another. All I know here is, I am perceiving and this perception is happening IN me and also my perceptions are moving. While I am perceiving those who is the one creating that movement? Or is there someone or some higher power can create those movements? If you say you create, then how come is it happening because you are already perceiving those movements. Go and have something to eat. Seriously. Don't worry about me! It's okay. I am relaxed and enjoying the discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:19:58 GMT -5
Nope, I am correct. You are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:21:19 GMT -5
Go and have something to eat. Seriously. Don't worry about me! It's okay. I am relaxed and enjoying the discussion. That was not worry expressed there. It was the knowledge that your mind is just spinning for the sake of it. Eating will slow down those cycles to a normal function again.
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Post by tenka on Dec 4, 2019 4:22:33 GMT -5
I don't see a problem if peeps want to stand their ground, but your not addressing my point made . Why do you tell other's they are speculating when you are doing the same .. Can you answer me this? I am simply seeing and telling you. I speak what I sure of. I am seeing I am perceiving and I am seeing my perception continue to move on from one to another. So I speak from there. So your ideas are not speculations, but other's are? How are other's speculative and your's are not . You speak about consciousness as if you have realized what it is and by your own admission you haven't ..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:23:07 GMT -5
Don't worry about me! It's okay. I am relaxed and enjoying the discussion. That was not worry expressed there. It was the knowledge that your mind is just spinning for the sake of it. Eating will slow down those cycles to a normal function again. I have had my lunch. I am pretty sure of what I talk. I think you are having difficulty to understand me. So take rest and read slowly some other time. There may be possibility of understanding what I am saying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:24:15 GMT -5
I am simply seeing and telling you. I speak what I sure of. I am seeing I am perceiving and I am seeing my perception continue to move on from one to another. So I speak from there. So your ideas are not speculations, but other's are? How are other's speculative and your's are not . You speak about consciousness as if you have realized what it is and by your own admission you haven't .. I directly see what's happening and pointing at where your mistakes lies.
You believe your Brain is what you are but I don't believe such thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:25:36 GMT -5
That was not worry expressed there. It was the knowledge that your mind is just spinning for the sake of it. Eating will slow down those cycles to a normal function again. I have had my lunch. I am pretty sure of what I talk. I think you are having difficulty to understand me. So take rest and read slowly some other time. There may be possibility of understanding what I am saying. Oh don't come with the I can't understand you line again. You repeat the same things over and over for hours on end. Never bringing anything new.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:26:28 GMT -5
Where does your perception come from then? Is the ocean the creator of the wave? The creation of the wave comes about from the interaction of other phenomena like wind and tide. Creation as we perceive it is just the never ending dance of Maya. There is no agency in ocean just as there is no agency in awareness, yet perception of phenomena is dependent on awareness just as wave is dependent on ocean. But you cannot attribute agency or entity to awareness so it is not the creator. Modern physics doesn't even recognize creation. Matter, which is ultimately energy, is just changing from one form to another. Nothing is gained and nothing is lost. The universe is a zero sum game in terms of the quantity of energy available. Thermodynamically, the universe is a closed system which means that eventually the energy dispersal will be so evenly distributed throughout the universe that nothing will happen without the flow of energy from a higher energy level to a lower energy level. Entropy will have run its course until the next quantum fluctuation brings back the energy differential requirement for a functional Maya. Perhaps you have to answer my question first.
Why anything exist instead of simply being nothing?
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Post by tenka on Dec 4, 2019 4:26:49 GMT -5
So your ideas are not speculations, but other's are? How are other's speculative and your's are not . You speak about consciousness as if you have realized what it is and by your own admission you haven't .. I directly see what's happening and pointing at where your mistakes lies.
You believe your Brain is what you are but I don't believe such thing.
Why is it that other's are mistaken and you are not . Are that not directly seeing things as they see things? Why are your ideas correct and other's not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:27:03 GMT -5
I have had my lunch. I am pretty sure of what I talk. I think you are having difficulty to understand me. So take rest and read slowly some other time. There may be possibility of understanding what I am saying. Oh don't come with the I can't understand you line again. You repeat the same things over and over for hours on end. Never bringing anything new. And you still did not get what I am talking. you still say perception is not fully created.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:28:30 GMT -5
I directly see what's happening and pointing at where your mistakes lies.
You believe your Brain is what you are but I don't believe such thing.
Why is it that other's are mistaken and you are not . Are that not directly seeing things as they see things? Why are your ideas correct and other's not? If you think, you are correct, then convince me. I will accept if you are correct. Do you want to go one more round argument. If you want to let's start again.
While you are perceiving, who is creating. If you believe in objective outer world, then we will talk about why such a world can't exist. let's start?
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