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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 1:53:28 GMT -5
yes, i was really just following up on your convo with sifting. All good Yeah, all good! ✌🏽
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 1:55:50 GMT -5
I have watched it actually Pilgrim .. When you say ''So what Gopal is saying, by way of analogy, is he knows that he is a User. But he doesn't know if his daughter, or anyone else, is a User or merely a people-like-program''. Gopal therefore has to know that there is the comparison. He can't know the comparison by his own admission . He has to know what is real and what isn't real . He hasn't explained his realization of what is real and he hasn't had a realization of what isn't .. You can't therefore have a quandary about who isn't real when you don't no what being unreal is ... I am not sure if anyone can see this simplistic requirement that is needed in order to have a quandary in the first place . The fact that he believes everything is consciousness and consciousness is aware say's it all . The way that he speaks about appearances is irrelevant if he doesn't address his own and this must entail the knowing of what is unreal and real as a foundation .. He can't know anything about other's, so his own foundation works against itself. I would say you are absolutely correct. Gopal is mostly logic. If he really knew he was a User, he would be able to recognize who is not a User, that is, who is merely an appearance. I'm going to give another analogy with the film Blade Runner. I can know myself to be a perceiver but I don't have any way to know other individuals who are appearing to me are perceivers like me because the actuality beyond the appearance can't be known.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 3:42:34 GMT -5
Only Consciousness exist and it is not entity, it exists within the movement of perception. Inseparable from the perceiving moment. The problem is, while he is inseparable from the perception, how does the perception moves from one to another? He has to stuck in the same perception from everlasting to everlasting. But while you are watching the perception, perception moves. How does it happens? You are very near to the answer if you just listen to me very carefully. You are speculating. You said you don't have to realize what consciousness is to know you are consciousness . You are clutching at straws based upon reading about the word usage from someone else . By your own logic you can't make sound statements about something you know nuffin about . Correct? My language is Tamil, English is my second language. So I borrowed the entire language construct from you people. And using this language I am trying to formulate my ideas. Before I came to this forum I have separate meaning for consciousness and awareness, Consciousness I used to use for my perception and awareness I used to use for the things I am aware of, I am aware of my home while I am typing here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 3:48:23 GMT -5
There is apparently perceiving is happening. More or less everybody here would agree with that. I think you are completely in a separate boat. And also most of the people here know of the truth that there is no doer. So it is placing us into passive witnessing mode. Ao automatically the questions wells up as to who is creating the movement of perception in our focus. Just because there is the welling of a question, doesn't mean that there is a who to whom the welling belongs. If something is showing up in your focus, either something you are receiving to your focus from somewhere(Objective outer world) Or you are creating(World exist in perception).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 3:54:34 GMT -5
Yes, That's the perception. That's not left with no perception. The main problem people have here is., They assume there is a looker and they continue to assume perceptions are happening to that looker. The fact is looking is creating the looker, not the other way around. But still my basic question as to how creation is happening while I am perceiving the movement of perception. Because I am not the doer, but something is getting created is in my focus of attention. If I place myself to be an awareness and perceptions are happening to me, then it's okay for me but problem is I will be struck at only one perception for everlasting to everlasting. But that's not happening here. Perceptions are continue to change in my focus of attention. So If perceptions are changing then looking which appears to have a stable looker at the back is completely recreated in the moment. And this focus of attention is the act of perceiving. But what it is that which is creating that perception you have? Watch your thoughts/Perceptions carefully. You are perceiving the flow of thoughts/perceptions. Clear? thoughts/perception continue to change from one from another. All I know here is, I am perceiving and this perception is happening IN me and also my perceptions are moving. While I am perceiving those who is the one creating that movement? Or is there someone or some higher power can create those movements? If you say you create, then how come is it happening because you are already perceiving those movements.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 3:56:49 GMT -5
Cinema: Without me this movie don't happen, like at all. Screenwriter: Right. You're the creator. I'm just a prop. This example seems to be good but this doesn't exactly fit well.
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Post by tenka on Dec 4, 2019 4:01:26 GMT -5
You are speculating. You said you don't have to realize what consciousness is to know you are consciousness . You are clutching at straws based upon reading about the word usage from someone else . By your own logic you can't make sound statements about something you know nuffin about . Correct? My language is Tamil, English is my second language. So I borrowed the entire language construct from you people. And using this language I am trying to formulate my ideas. Before I came to this forum I have separate meaning for consciousness and awareness, Consciousness I used to use for my perception and awareness I used to use for the things I am aware of, I am aware of my home while I am typing here. Yes indeedy, they are speculative ideas .. No point standing your ground then really is there when what you present are simply unrealized ideas .. I hear you say similar things to other's when you tell them they are just speculating .. Why doesn't the same apply to you? It doesn't matter if your thoughts on awareness and consciousness differ from anyone else's or derive through a different language when they remain speculative ideas just the same . In my eyes it doesn't make sense to have this energy about you when such an energy expressed is hypocritical . Do you see that it is hypocritical or don't you care that it is? To me it makes no sense for peeps to do this, nor does it make sense for peeps to talk about there foundation is based upon a Truth realization etc etc ..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:03:14 GMT -5
My language is Tamil, English is my second language. So I borrowed the entire language construct from you people. And using this language I am trying to formulate my ideas. Before I came to this forum I have separate meaning for consciousness and awareness, Consciousness I used to use for my perception and awareness I used to use for the things I am aware of, I am aware of my home while I am typing here. Yes indeedy, they are speculative ideas .. No point standing your ground then really is there when what you present are simply unrealized ideas .. I hear you say similar things to other's when you tell them they are just speculating .. Why doesn't the same apply to you? It doesn't matter if your thoughts on awareness and consciousness differ from anyone else's or derive through a different language when they remain speculative ideas just the same . In my eyes it doesn't make sense to have this energy about you when such an energy expressed is hypocritical . Do you see that it is hypocritical or don't you care that it is? To me it makes no sense for peeps to do this, nor does it make sense for peeps to talk about there foundation is based upon a Truth realization etc etc .. I am seeing and talking. The conversation is about who is the creator behind my thoughts/Perception but you have taken this conversation into some other direction as to whether other individual is real or figment.
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Post by tenka on Dec 4, 2019 4:05:43 GMT -5
Yes indeedy, they are speculative ideas .. No point standing your ground then really is there when what you present are simply unrealized ideas .. I hear you say similar things to other's when you tell them they are just speculating .. Why doesn't the same apply to you? It doesn't matter if your thoughts on awareness and consciousness differ from anyone else's or derive through a different language when they remain speculative ideas just the same . In my eyes it doesn't make sense to have this energy about you when such an energy expressed is hypocritical . Do you see that it is hypocritical or don't you care that it is? To me it makes no sense for peeps to do this, nor does it make sense for peeps to talk about there foundation is based upon a Truth realization etc etc .. I am seeing and talking. The conversation is about who is the creator behind my thoughts/Perception but you have taken this conversation into some other direction as to whether other individual is real or figment. This conversation is based upon your speculative ideas and somehow making them more than that and then accusing other's of being speculative ..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:06:50 GMT -5
I am seeing and talking. The conversation is about who is the creator behind my thoughts/Perception but you have taken this conversation into some other direction as to whether other individual is real or figment. This conversation is based upon your speculative ideas and somehow making them more than that and then accusing other's of being speculative .. I am not accusing you for being speculative. I will defend myself and my ideas as everybody here does.
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Post by tenka on Dec 4, 2019 4:10:40 GMT -5
This conversation is based upon your speculative ideas and somehow making them more than that and then accusing other's of being speculative .. I am not accusing you for being speculative. I will defend myself and my ideas as everybody here does. I don't see a problem if peeps want to stand their ground, but your not addressing my point made . Why do you tell other's they are speculating when you are doing the same .. Can you answer me this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:10:58 GMT -5
That's the sort of question that had me thinking you were chasing entities. What's the purpose of the question, then? MY QUESTION IS:
When you are perceiving your thoughts/perceptions, who is creating those? Remember when you perceive a thought, it's already created. So you are not doing it,eh?
It isn't fully created. It becomes 'fully' 'created' by your own understanding.. which is what perception is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:16:43 GMT -5
I am not accusing you for being speculative. I will defend myself and my ideas as everybody here does. I don't see a problem if peeps want to stand their ground, but your not addressing my point made . Why do you tell other's they are speculating when you are doing the same .. Can you answer me this? I am simply seeing and telling you. I speak what I sure of. I am seeing I am perceiving and I am seeing my perception continue to move on from one to another. So I speak from there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:17:22 GMT -5
MY QUESTION IS:
When you are perceiving your thoughts/perceptions, who is creating those? Remember when you perceive a thought, it's already created. So you are not doing it,eh?
It isn't fully created. It becomes 'fully' 'created' by your own understanding.. which is what perception is. What you are perceiving is completely created thought/perception.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 4:17:34 GMT -5
And this focus of attention is the act of perceiving. But what it is that which is creating that perception you have? Watch your thoughts/Perceptions carefully. You are perceiving the flow of thoughts/perceptions. Clear? thoughts/perception continue to change from one from another. All I know here is, I am perceiving and this perception is happening IN me and also my perceptions are moving. While I am perceiving those who is the one creating that movement? Or is there someone or some higher power can create those movements? If you say you create, then how come is it happening because you are already perceiving those movements. Go and have something to eat. Seriously.
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