Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:13:49 GMT -5
If it appears, then it has to be created, yes? otherwise where does it come from? Why does it have to be created? Who do you think is the creator? If it doesn't have to be created, do you believe in outer world which exist independent of perceiver?
|
|
|
Post by satchitananda on Dec 2, 2019 5:16:16 GMT -5
Why does it have to be created? Who do you think is the creator? If it doesn't have to be created, do you believe in outer world which exist independent of perceiver? I think we have already agreed that phenomena appears in consciousness.
|
|
|
Post by tenka on Dec 2, 2019 5:16:17 GMT -5
How did you know what you know? Did the word consciousness come to you directly somehow .. How do you know that you are consciousness? If you had never heard of the word before are you saying you would still of had a realization of the word consciousness given to you in someway? I have realized what I AM so to speak and not once was there the mention or the thought that I AM consciousness . So I am dying to hear about your consciousness realization. I am pointing towards the meaning behind the word consciousness. Everybody does that. Language is the way which is used for communication, every word has the meaning, I am saying I am consciousness because I know what people mean by consciousness.
Or are you asking me how do I know I am consciousness?
I don't want pointers . You said you realized you were consciousness and then you say it's a pointer . I don't say that what you are IS consciousness or awareness, so not everyone has to point in the way that you do . I would say what I am is consciously aware .. So basically you have said you are consciousness and all there is is consciousness, but there is this 'awareness' floating about. So is awareness consciousness then? I want to know what you realized that is beyond a pointer.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:18:52 GMT -5
If it doesn't have to be created, do you believe in outer world which exist independent of perceiver? I think we have already agreed that phenomena appears in consciousness. What's consciousness here? Looker of the perception?
|
|
|
Post by tenka on Dec 2, 2019 5:19:49 GMT -5
For me there is no problem whatsoever. I just don't have an answer for you. You agree there is only awareness, Then who else is creating the perception in your awareness other than awareness? I thought there was only consciousness? What is awareness in relation to consciousness?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:20:05 GMT -5
I am pointing towards the meaning behind the word consciousness. Everybody does that. Language is the way which is used for communication, every word has the meaning, I am saying I am consciousness because I know what people mean by consciousness.
Or are you asking me how do I know I am consciousness?
I don't want pointers . You said you realized you were consciousness and then you say it's a pointer . I don't say that what you are IS consciousness or awareness, so not everyone has to point in the way that you do . I would say what I am is consciously aware ..So basically you have said you are consciousness and all there is is consciousness, but there is this 'awareness' floating about. So is awareness consciousness then? I want to know what you realized that is beyond a pointer. I would say the same too! But for me, Looking is creating the looker! Not other way around. But it's tricky concept for you !
|
|
|
Post by satchitananda on Dec 2, 2019 5:20:31 GMT -5
I think we have already agreed that phenomena appears in consciousness. What's consciousness here? Looker of the perception? Sorry, I've lost interest in this conversation.
|
|
|
Post by andrew on Dec 2, 2019 5:25:49 GMT -5
no, in this context there is no 'you' that could be a brain. At best, this 'you' could be said to be a thought in mind. But as i'm a spiritual dude, I think there's more to life than biology. You are boring me. Changing concept time to time really bores me a lot. lol I don't think I did that, but okay.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:26:52 GMT -5
What's consciousness here? Looker of the perception? Sorry, I've lost interest in this conversation. No Satch, you can't lose interest here
|
|
|
Post by tenka on Dec 2, 2019 5:26:58 GMT -5
I don't want pointers . You said you realized you were consciousness and then you say it's a pointer . I don't say that what you are IS consciousness or awareness, so not everyone has to point in the way that you do . I would say what I am is consciously aware ..So basically you have said you are consciousness and all there is is consciousness, but there is this 'awareness' floating about. So is awareness consciousness then? I want to know what you realized that is beyond a pointer. I would say the same too! But for me, Looking is creating the looker! Not other way around. But it's tricky concept for you ! Was this concept realized? I still don't know what you realized that was beyond the pointer of consciousness .. Are you going to say?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:27:28 GMT -5
You agree there is only awareness, Then who else is creating the perception in your awareness other than awareness? I thought there was only consciousness? What is awareness in relation to consciousness? I am using awareness or consciousness interchangeability. I have same meaning to both.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:28:06 GMT -5
I would say the same too! But for me, Looking is creating the looker! Not other way around. But it's tricky concept for you ! Was this concept realized? I still don't know what you realized that was beyond the pointer of consciousness .. Are you going to say? Nothing exist, only consciousness. So no prior to consciousness.
|
|
|
Post by tenka on Dec 2, 2019 5:29:08 GMT -5
I don't want pointers . You said you realized you were consciousness and then you say it's a pointer . I don't say that what you are IS consciousness or awareness, so not everyone has to point in the way that you do . I would say what I am is consciously aware ..So basically you have said you are consciousness and all there is is consciousness, but there is this 'awareness' floating about. So is awareness consciousness then?I want to know what you realized that is beyond a pointer. I would say the same too! But for me, Looking is creating the looker! Not other way around. But it's tricky concept for you ! Can you answer me this?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 5:29:58 GMT -5
I would say the same too! But for me, Looking is creating the looker! Not other way around. But it's tricky concept for you ! Can you answer me this?That's what I replied you awareness=consciousness for me.
|
|
|
Post by tenka on Dec 2, 2019 5:30:24 GMT -5
I thought there was only consciousness? What is awareness in relation to consciousness? I am using awareness or consciousness interchangeability. I have same meaning to both. So consciousness is aware?
|
|