|
Post by laughter on Nov 5, 2022 0:22:35 GMT -5
Needless to say, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The idea about reinforcing the danger of the unwitting attachment through action is ultimately mechanistic. Please don't think that I don't see value in gaining clarity on the content and dynamic of the machine, I most certainly do. But this has to be known for what is.
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Nov 5, 2022 7:51:40 GMT -5
Needless to say, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The idea about reinforcing the danger of the unwitting attachment through action is ultimately mechanistic. Please don't think that I don't see value in gaining clarity on the content and dynamic of the machine, I most certainly do. But this has to be known for what is. Well, there is a mechanistic (or deterministic) aspect to reality. Obviously that's only half the story, which you know I often advocate. I'm not a machine-head.
But it's why we can shoot some 8-ball for example, and similalry, actions have consequences. The way I see it, there is a certain quality of action that reinforces and perpetuates kamma. Even if the result of that is imponderably intricate or even not set in stone (in the event of the ending of kamma).
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Nov 5, 2022 7:58:38 GMT -5
The idea about reinforcing the danger of the unwitting attachment through action is ultimately mechanistic. Please don't think that I don't see value in gaining clarity on the content and dynamic of the machine, I most certainly do. But this has to be known for what is. Well, there is a mechanistic (or deterministic) aspect to reality. Obviously that's only half the story, which you know I often advocate. I'm not a machine-head.
But it's why we can shoot some 8-ball for example, and similalry, actions have consequences. The way I see it, there is a certain quality of action that reinforces and perpetuates kamma. Even if the result of that is imponderably intricate or even not set in stone (in the event of the ending of kamma). But you're analyzing cause and effect in the context of the the idea of "a human who has discovered THIS beyond choice and no choice". You. Are not a machine. Neither is anyone else.
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Nov 5, 2022 9:25:10 GMT -5
Well, there is a mechanistic (or deterministic) aspect to reality. Obviously that's only half the story, which you know I often advocate. I'm not a machine-head.
But it's why we can shoot some 8-ball for example, and similalry, actions have consequences. The way I see it, there is a certain quality of action that reinforces and perpetuates kamma. Even if the result of that is imponderably intricate or even not set in stone (in the event of the ending of kamma). But you're analyzing cause and effect in the context of the the idea of "a human who has discovered THIS beyond choice and no choice". You. Are not a machine. Neither is anyone else. There is no discovery that negates the nature of conditionality. Just misconception.
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Nov 5, 2022 10:49:27 GMT -5
There is no discovery that negates the nature of conditionality. Just misconception. The negation in this instance is simply a matter of form. It's not a denial. It's a contextualization.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 0:03:32 GMT -5
Because you believe you can remain calm in the midst of calamity but others do not believe like that. What I am pointing here is, the entire experience is falling out of infinite just to confirm your belief. How could that be so because the reaction to my circumstances was far quicker and spontaneous than any belief that could be forming about how I should be reacting. Belief requires consideration and reflection. Instant reaction doesn't work like that. But what happens if someone reacts calmly to a situation one day but then on a different day reacts with anxiety to the same kind of situation. What has changed, the belief, and if so what has changed it? The explanation you are giving about why there was a particular reaction is simply unfathomable. That's what the Bhagavad Gita says. "Unfathomable is the field of action". What about if someone says, I was surprised about how calm I was. If that reaction was brought about by a belief why would they be surprised about something they already believe? Universe is unfolding to confirm your belief, your reaction can't be prior to the belief. You believe something and it becomes real. Belief creates the reality. Have you ever heard of law of attraction?, Clear seeing in the mind's eye(Visualization) manifest the reality.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 2:27:58 GMT -5
How could that be so because the reaction to my circumstances was far quicker and spontaneous than any belief that could be forming about how I should be reacting. Belief requires consideration and reflection. Instant reaction doesn't work like that. But what happens if someone reacts calmly to a situation one day but then on a different day reacts with anxiety to the same kind of situation. What has changed, the belief, and if so what has changed it? The explanation you are giving about why there was a particular reaction is simply unfathomable. That's what the Bhagavad Gita says. "Unfathomable is the field of action". What about if someone says, I was surprised about how calm I was. If that reaction was brought about by a belief why would they be surprised about something they already believe? Universe is unfolding to confirm your belief, your reaction can't be prior to the belief. You believe something and it becomes real. Belief creates the reality. Have you ever heard of law of attraction?, Clear seeing in the mind's eye(Visualization) manifest the reality. I have never believed in the law of attraction except for magnets.
|
|