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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2019 5:16:03 GMT -5
This guy is just so adorable and funny!  And great wisdom there too re: why it is called the pathless path. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 18, 2019 18:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Feb 20, 2019 23:27:48 GMT -5
This part is interesting:
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 21, 2019 14:31:23 GMT -5
In April and May of 1980 I went to Ojai, Calif for the Krishnamurti talks and discussions. (I drove across the country in five days, nice trip). I submitted a question, questions to be answered were selected by a committee. This is my question and answer. (Actually, they divided my question, the other part was answered separately. I should be able to find it also. I remember K started out: "Sir, don't quote the speaker!". He sort of ran me through the grinder, but finally answered at the end. Admitted, I tried to craft a question that would get selected...).
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 21, 2019 14:42:11 GMT -5
Found it. I'm going to post before I listen again, or else I might not post it.  The second part of my question and answer: As an aside, one day before a talk there were some guys pruning some lower limbs of the oak trees. (I usually went early to get a closer seat). They were just cutting leaving a stub end to the cut limb. I walked up and told them how to prune, to cut back to a lateral, that is, where the limb branched (I had done tree work for 4 years just previously). He gave me the pruner and asked me to show what to do, it's very simple. And then one of the guys asked me to look at a Moreton Bay Fig tree Krishnamurti had planted the previous year on the grounds, it was about 6' high. They were concerned as some of the leaves were turning yellow and falling off. I looked at it but told them I didn't know why the leaves were falling off. Volunteers were allowed to sit up front closer to K in a roped off area, so they said I could sit in the volunteer's section for that day. That day I sat about 20 ft from K. Previously to the trip I was told to go by Ventura, Calif. (pretty much on the way, not out of the way) to see the Moreton Bag Fig tree, and also the one in Santa Barbara, which took a special trip. They were/are very impressive. www.google.com/search?q=moreton+bay+fig+tree+Santa+Barbara+calif+picture&rlz=1C1GCEV_enUS837US837&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=kejFLqOnq59d_M%253A%252CRxlhDyPnWKZcVM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQ_Dz_WF7uHvG7cSz-VHrMFKgb8eQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj36qKd0s3gAhWCMd8KHZv3ANQQ9QEwBHoECAAQBA&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=kejFLqOnq59d_M:I later realized that the leaves turning yellow and falling off was perfectly natural, as both trees I saw were also doing so, the inner leaves. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 23, 2019 7:06:57 GMT -5
That's really cool that you met him in person, SDP. Did it seem to you that he might have been channeling at times?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 25, 2019 19:55:36 GMT -5
That's really cool that you met him in person, SDP. Did it seem to you that he might have been channeling at times? No, he seemed quite ordinary down to earth, in his own way, open. A very lightness. I had only read his books, never seen video of him, what struck me the most was a ready genuine smile. I did not see that smile coming. There wasn't a heavy seriousness I was expecting. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 26, 2019 11:19:03 GMT -5
Based on the little I've watched so far, his main theme seems to be wu-wei. He doesn't call it that way, he prefers to talk about effortless and spontaneous action in the present moment instead, but it's essentially the same thing.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 26, 2019 19:00:10 GMT -5
Based on the little I've watched so far, his main theme seems to be wu-wei. He doesn't call it that way, he prefers to talk about effortless and spontaneous action in the present moment instead, but it's essentially the same thing. Yes, I could agree with that. What he seems to describe is a mind that operates apart from conditioning, but he can't say precisely how to get there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 8:27:32 GMT -5
Based on the little I've watched so far, his main theme seems to be wu-wei. He doesn't call it that way, he prefers to talk about effortless and spontaneous action in the present moment instead, but it's essentially the same thing. Yes, I could agree with that. What he seems to describe is a mind that operates apart from conditioning, but he can't say precisely how to get there. Don't know a lot about Murti, but remember reading one book entitled Meditation where he describes his version of a non-procedural process for the correct way of meditating, wu wei style. I'm not an opponent of different dimensions, levels, reincarnation etc. Though I admit the rebel in me does not like heiarchies, but wouldn't Krishnamrti, having rejected theosophy, also reject these as well? Just a question. I don't know enough about him to answer it. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 27, 2019 15:09:16 GMT -5
Yes, I could agree with that. What he seems to describe is a mind that operates apart from conditioning, but he can't say precisely how to get there. Don't know a lot about Murti, but remember reading one book entitled Meditation where he describes his version of a non-procedural process for the correct way of meditating, wu wei style. I'm not an opponent of different dimensions, levels, reincarnation etc. Though I admit the rebel in me does not like heiarchies, but wouldn't Krishnamrti, having rejected theosophy, also reject these as well? Just a question. I don't know enough about him to answer it. I would say that everything Krishnamurti said and wrote and did was to free people of conditioning. This is not so easy, as most people operate from conditioning, which mostly operates unconsciously, so it's very difficult to get beyond the operator, (the false sense of/imaginary) self. Krishnamurti always pointed to that which can go beyond and actually erase conditioning, attention. But if you try to operate from bare attention, the conditioning automatically jumps in and takes control of the attention. So yes, all this extra stuff is like trying to build the second story of a house without first building the first story. But that also doesn't mean second stories are superfluous. It also means you can start the second story before the first story is completed, that is, you can frame the second story on top of the framing of the first story, before ~the paint is dry~ on the first story. But some people are happy with a "ranch". No problem with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 15:44:44 GMT -5
Don't know a lot about Murti, but remember reading one book entitled Meditation where he describes his version of a non-procedural process for the correct way of meditating, wu wei style. I'm not an opponent of different dimensions, levels, reincarnation etc. Though I admit the rebel in me does not like heiarchies, but wouldn't Krishnamrti, having rejected theosophy, also reject these as well? Just a question. I don't know enough about him to answer it. I would say that everything Krishnamurti said and wrote and did was to free people of conditioning. This is not so easy, as most people operate from conditioning, which mostly operates unconsciously, so it's very difficult to get beyond the operator, (the false sense of/imaginary) self. Krishnamurti always pointed to that which can go beyond and actually erase conditioning, attention. But if you try to operate from bare attention, the conditioning automatically jumps in and takes control of the attention. So yes, all this extra stuff is like trying to build the second story of a house without first building the first story. But that also doesn't mean second stories are superfluous. It also means you can start the second story before the first story is completed, that is, you can frame the second story on top of the framing of the first story, before ~the paint is dry~ on the first story. But some people are happy with a "ranch". No problem with that. Good analogy. You would agree that there are those who get so wrapped up in the second story, they build a less than adequate first. My view of it is that if it's all imaginary then virtually anything is possible. I have some rather peculiar views about how it all works, but not for this site. However, having once heard j.k. tell someone that there is no after life, I suspect his views are much more negative than mine. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 27, 2019 15:56:27 GMT -5
I would say that everything Krishnamurti said and wrote and did was to free people of conditioning. This is not so easy, as most people operate from conditioning, which mostly operates unconsciously, so it's very difficult to get beyond the operator, (the false sense of/imaginary) self. Krishnamurti always pointed to that which can go beyond and actually erase conditioning, attention. But if you try to operate from bare attention, the conditioning automatically jumps in and takes control of the attention. So yes, all this extra stuff is like trying to build the second story of a house without first building the first story. But that also doesn't mean second stories are superfluous. It also means you can start the second story before the first story is completed, that is, you can frame the second story on top of the framing of the first story, before ~the paint is dry~ on the first story. But some people are happy with a "ranch". No problem with that. Good analogy. You would agree that there are those who get so wrapped up in the second story, they build a less than adequate first. My view of it is that if it's all imaginary then virtually anything is possible. I have some rather peculiar views about how it all works, but not for this site. However, having once heard j.k. tell someone that there is no after life, I suspect his views are much more negative than mine. Yes, people can build wholly imaginary castles in the sky. But that does not mean all second stories are wholly imaginary. I would say there is no afterlife for the conditioned self, the self most people take themselves to be. But that does not mean necessarily that nothing survives death. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 2, 2019 12:22:11 GMT -5
Don't know a lot about Murti, but remember reading one book entitled Meditation where he describes his version of a non-procedural process for the correct way of meditating, wu wei style. I'm not an opponent of different dimensions, levels, reincarnation etc. Though I admit the rebel in me does not like heiarchies, but wouldn't Krishnamrti, having rejected theosophy, also reject these as well? Just a question. I don't know enough about him to answer it. This is not so easy, as most people operate from conditioning, which mostly operates unconsciously, so it's very difficult to get beyond the operator, (the false sense of/imaginary) self. Krishnamurti always pointed to that which can go beyond and actually erase conditioning, attention. But if you try to operate from bare attention, the conditioning automatically jumps in and takes control of the attention. Yeah, that's how I remember JK from the books I read in my early seeker days. He always seemed to me a bit like Osho in that regard, more focused on society and its impact on the individual. Maybe the other stuff just didn't really register at the time I read it or the books I read really just were mostly of a sociological nature. So yes, all this extra stuff is like trying to build the second story of a house without first building the first story. But that also doesn't mean second stories are superfluous. It also means you can start the second story before the first story is completed, that is, you can frame the second story on top of the framing of the first story, before ~the paint is dry~ on the first story. But some people are happy with a "ranch". No problem with that. The ideal would be first things first. But then again, who cares? People in spiritual circles usually think enlightenment is the goal or the purpose of life. But is it, really? Once you've found the answer to that question, the 2 story house dilemma resolves itself. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Feb 22, 2021 11:21:02 GMT -5
I found this an enjoyable talk. The bird and insect sounds make it.
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The second part of my question and answer:
