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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5
Could you explain how that insanity is forming please? What is there to explain? "No self" means no observer.
Let's imagine that you are with your friend and he is flying you in his airplane to his home on Martha's Vineyard. He has a heart attack and goes unconsciousness. You don't know how to fly the damn thing but know enough to grab the flight radio and cry for help. The first question air traffic control will ask you is where your are at, your position. You follow?
The "no self" mantra is for astral travel. In the real world where sanity is, you've got to have a self, a center for navigating through a spatial domain. Ok.. so you constantly need to know where you are and you don't trust that the spatial domain in which you're operating is well aware of where you are. Got it, thanks. |
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Post by sree on Jun 16, 2022 12:45:20 GMT -5
What is there to explain? "No self" means no observer.
Let's imagine that you are with your friend and he is flying you in his airplane to his home on Martha's Vineyard. He has a heart attack and goes unconsciousness. You don't know how to fly the damn thing but know enough to grab the flight radio and cry for help. The first question air traffic control will ask you is where your are at, your position. You follow?
The "no self" mantra is for astral travel. In the real world where sanity is, you've got to have a self, a center for navigating through a spatial domain. Ok.. so you constantly need to know where you are and you don't trust that the spatial domain in which you're operating is well aware of where you are. Got it, thanks. You got it, buddy. It's call situational awareness. If you want to survive, you've got to be alert. I grew up in New York. Where did you grow up?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 13:03:08 GMT -5
Ok.. so you constantly need to know where you are and you don't trust that the spatial domain in which you're operating is well aware of where you are. Got it, thanks. You got it, buddy. It's call situational awareness. If you want to survive, you've got to be alert. I grew up in New York. Where did you grow up?
Your Video is Unavailable to me. Perhaps your time would be better spent visiting your dying neighbour. She's your friend and so is her husband. |
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Post by sree on Jun 16, 2022 13:16:42 GMT -5
You got it, buddy. It's call situational awareness. If you want to survive, you've got to be alert. I grew up in New York. Where did you grow up?
Your Video is Unavailable to me. Perhaps your time would be better spent visiting your dying neighbour. She's your friend and so is her husband. You have not been following the thread, have you. Perhaps, you speed read and everything was a blur.
I don't have friends. People are illusions. Get it? Watching them and the painful lives they live is like watching a sad movie. You don't commiserate with the images on the screen even if their story makes you cry.
What's wrong with you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 13:41:09 GMT -5
Your Video is Unavailable to me. Perhaps your time would be better spent visiting your dying neighbour. She's your friend and so is her husband. You have not been following the thread, have you. Perhaps, you speed read and everything was a blur.
I don't have friends. People are illusions. Get it? Watching them and the painful lives they live is like watching a sad movie. You don't commiserate with the images on the screen even if their story makes you cry.
What's wrong with you?
Go and visit them. Your body needs friends even if the internet has helped convince your mind that 'it' doesn't. |
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Post by sree on Jun 16, 2022 14:33:07 GMT -5
You have not been following the thread, have you. Perhaps, you speed read and everything was a blur.
I don't have friends. People are illusions. Get it? Watching them and the painful lives they live is like watching a sad movie. You don't commiserate with the images on the screen even if their story makes you cry.
What's wrong with you?
Go and visit them. Your body needs friends even if the internet has helped convince your mind that 'it' doesn't. I need friendship, not friends. Friendship is a state of communion. You have been chatting with me for how long? An hour - more or less - darting in and out like that chipmunk scurrying around me in my garden every morning. That is communion. And it can happen even through the optic fibres of the internet and spat out to my computer through wi-fi.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 15:05:09 GMT -5
Go and visit them. Your body needs friends even if the internet has helped convince your mind that 'it' doesn't. I need friendship, not friends. Friendship is a state of communion. You have been chatting with me for how long? An hour - more or less - darting in and out like that chipmunk scurrying around me in my garden every morning. That is communion. And it can happen even through the optic fibres of the internet and spat out to my computer through wi-fi.
The power of love is amazing. If you can't be what you need then there isn't much chance of it happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 3:02:26 GMT -5
You are right about the nature of perception, the observable universe is happening in perception, rather than 'out there' as an objective reality. Though don't let that go to your head. It's the same for everyone.  Let what go to my head? That I am something special because I saw a circular rainbow and had an insight into the nature of perception?
Being right about the nature of perception doesn't free one of objective reality. So, what is the point to being right without being free? The squirrel doesn't know squat about the nature of perception but is free of objective reality. This is not a speculation about squirrel consciousness. I know for a fact that other animals have no idea of an objective world conceivable only to us.
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Post by sree on Jul 30, 2022 19:21:31 GMT -5
Let what go to my head? That I am something special because I saw a circular rainbow and had an insight into the nature of perception?
Being right about the nature of perception doesn't free one of objective reality. So, what is the point to being right without being free? The squirrel doesn't know squat about the nature of perception but is free of objective reality. This is not a speculation about squirrel consciousness. I know for a fact that other animals have no idea of an objective world conceivable only to us.
Sentiments drive you people, abscissa. The shark is no different from the bear below.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 19:27:25 GMT -5
Sentiments drive you people, abscissa. The shark is no different from the bear below.
The guy has a friendship with a shark. I was just showing you that. I haven't watched your video because I don't agree with your perspective. Creatures behave differently in their natural habitat. From the title of your video, I take it that the bear is in a cage? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 30, 2022 20:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 18:38:26 GMT -5
What would you examine exactly? The selfless state is not an idea or intellectual concept so any examination on the level of mind and thought cannot be the selfless state. To reach it you have to transcend mind and experience pure non-dual awareness which is beyond all concepts. In that state there is no personal self. There is no "I". No amount of intellectual discourse could ever be that state which means you have to go within and experience that silent awareness to know that selfless state. Discussion and intellectual discourse will not reveal it. Krishnamurti is one of the most difficult and perplexing teachers I could imagine. I would recommend Ramana Maharshi. I would examine what Krishnamurti had said. It has to begin there, hasn't it?
If you were to tell me something, I would listen to you and figure out whether or not what you had asserted makes sense. Right? I would also examine you, the way you live your life, to find evidence that you are living the truth that you had pointed to.
The strange thing is that no one was able to grasp what Krishnamurti said. Even till the point of dying, Krishnamurti lamented that no one had gotten it after 60 years of teaching his stuff. Not even David Bohm who had decades of personal access to Krishnamurti. Books were published recording dialogues between him and Krishnamurti. I have studied those dialogues the way I would in reading up on academic journals about matters I have an interest in. Bohm had a sharp mind based on the way he had examined what Krishnamurti said. He was as astute as the best professor I had met in university.
I said that the selfless state (as expounded by Krishnamurti) is a curiosity to me. I have no interest in Hinduism or Buddhism that speaks to personal liberation. Krishnamurti was focused on the transformation of mankind, the ending of human conflict and the suffering it causes, instantly. He said that it is an urgent change in human consciousness. He wasn't talking about the personal consciousness that is the specialty of gurus like Ramana. One "unity-consciousness" (zendancer) changed in a flash. It would put out the danger brewing in Europe over Ukraine and take the politics out of governments coping with issues in societies everywhere immediately.
Yes he was. If it's true that there wasn't anyone that was able to grasp what Krishnamurti was pointing to, which I doubt by the way. Then he could only ever have been talking about a change in his human consciousness. I know your mind wants to race off predicting all sorts of instantaneous shifts, though look at the facts. |
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