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Post by Gopal on Nov 11, 2018 12:20:24 GMT -5
Many of us here clearly aware of Law of attraction,this law states that like attracts like. People tend to use this law consciously to attract certain experience for themselves. When people try to use this Law, I would like to call that process as Reality Creation. There are various types of Reality creation is in the market, visualization, affirmation, passing subliminal message to subconsciousness and also few others. The mistake people are not realizing here is, It attract everything that you do, but we are mostly unconscious of that. For an example, when one comes to know similar feeling attracts the same feeling unto themselves, S/he tend to control that feelings to stop further attraction in his reality. But the mistake people do here becomes clearly unconscious, because the act you perform to control that feelings also would be attracted. So the entire situation(creates unpleasant feelings) which you want to control would fall on your lap for you to perform the control. So Nothing can be done by our conscious effort, only knowing or seeing collapse the illusion. After we came to know seeing collapse the illusion, we tend to find solution or deceived ourselves to be found something via clear seeing but what had just happened is mind formed conclusion, then we fall into another loop of seeking the answer!
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Post by bluey on Nov 11, 2018 14:17:34 GMT -5
Many of us here clearly aware of Law of attraction,this law states that like attracts like. People tend to use this law consciously to attract certain experience for themselves. When people try to use this Law, I would like to call that process as Reality Creation. There are various types of Reality creation is in the market, visualization, affirmation, passing subliminal message to subconsciousness and also few others. The mistake people are not realizing here is, It attract everything that you do, but we are mostly unconscious of that. For an example, when one comes to know similar feeling attracts the same feeling unto themselves, S/he tend to control that feelings to stop further attraction in his reality. But the mistake people do here becomes clearly unconscious, because the act you perform to control that feelings also would be attracted. So the entire situation(creates unpleasant feelings) which you want to control would fall on your lap for you to perform the control. So Nothing can be done by our conscious effort, only knowing or seeing collapse the illusion. After we came to know seeing collapse the illusion, we tend to find solution or deceived ourselves to be found something via clear seeing but what had just happened is mind formed conclusion, then we fall into another loop of seeking the answer! Hi Gopal For someone in the realised space the laws that may have applied previously when you were more identified in the domains of body and mind the lines begin to blur after self realisation. That's not to say they don't have partners or friends who live just in those domains of experiencing so those needs may take priority over self realisation or waking up to This for them. So they may have a quarrel or two. Barry Longs partner couldn't understand when he had to leave his marriage as That was making itself known. She complained at least say you're having an affair or something how will I tell other people that he's waking up. How will that sit with my friends. Most people have the belief things happen to other people but it doesn't have to be that way. From wealth love to realisation. But you can have the visualisations the affirmations but if it's not what you've come to do in life you can wallpaper your house with positive thoughts and images of large houses etc and it may not happen. The essence may knock on your door and make a beggar of you. But saying that you have to ask what you want from life if you are more identified in the domains of body and mind. Intent will play a major part. If I meet people I will always ask what they want from life first. As many do have needs. I'm not a property expert but working with a few people recently I showed them a quicker way to draw what they want in. It's not what I am pointing at but still serves. I once saw a woman on the news who dreamt of being in business and set up shop. And after a month she was heartbroken when children would come in and steal from her. And so she shut up shop. That's not the way to do it. Most successful business people deal with loss and gain all the time they have mastered that side of business. Don't give it a thought as they are used to the play. And you find more business comes when you master the opposites in any field. My partner and I went to a casino in Vancouver and the amount of Chinese people on the gambling slots. It was an eye opener. And you know casinos are set up to win. But one man we observed on a table was winning. And we were laughing and joking with him. But he have mastered the game and money was just chasing him now. Health Warning ⚠️ if you fall awake the silence, This is the real jackpot. Plus read the Living Planet Report by WWF they would have issues with the law of attraction as they have reported we have one generation to sort out the planet. As the last two generations have wiped out 60% of nature. c402277.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/publications/1187/files/original/LPR2018_Full_Report_Spreads.pdf |
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Post by Gopal on Nov 12, 2018 8:56:28 GMT -5
Many of us here clearly aware of Law of attraction,this law states that like attracts like. People tend to use this law consciously to attract certain experience for themselves. When people try to use this Law, I would like to call that process as Reality Creation. There are various types of Reality creation is in the market, visualization, affirmation, passing subliminal message to subconsciousness and also few others. The mistake people are not realizing here is, It attract everything that you do, but we are mostly unconscious of that. For an example, when one comes to know similar feeling attracts the same feeling unto themselves, S/he tend to control that feelings to stop further attraction in his reality. But the mistake people do here becomes clearly unconscious, because the act you perform to control that feelings also would be attracted. So the entire situation(creates unpleasant feelings) which you want to control would fall on your lap for you to perform the control. So Nothing can be done by our conscious effort, only knowing or seeing collapse the illusion. After we came to know seeing collapse the illusion, we tend to find solution or deceived ourselves to be found something via clear seeing but what had just happened is mind formed conclusion, then we fall into another loop of seeking the answer! Hi Gopal For someone in the realised space the laws that may have applied previously when you were more identified in the domains of body and mind the lines begin to blur after self realisation. That's not to say they don't have partners or friends who live just in those domains of experiencing so those needs may take priority over self realisation or waking up to This for them. So they may have a quarrel or two. Barry Longs partner couldn't understand when he had to leave his marriage as That was making itself known. She complained at least say you're having an affair or something how will I tell other people that he's waking up. How will that sit with my friends. Most people have the belief things happen to other people but it doesn't have to be that way. From wealth love to realisation. But you can have the visualisations the affirmations but if it's not what you've come to do in life you can wallpaper your house with positive thoughts and images of large houses etc and it may not happen. The essence may knock on your door and make a beggar of you. But saying that you have to ask what you want from life if you are more identified in the domains of body and mind. Intent will play a major part. If I meet people I will always ask what they want from life first. As many do have needs. I'm not a property expert but working with a few people recently I showed them a quicker way to draw what they want in. It's not what I am pointing at but still serves. I once saw a woman on the news who dreamt of being in business and set up shop. And after a month she was heartbroken when children would come in and steal from her. And so she shut up shop. That's not the way to do it. Most successful business people deal with loss and gain all the time they have mastered that side of business. Don't give it a thought as they are used to the play. And you find more business comes when you master the opposites in any field. My partner and I went to a casino in Vancouver and the amount of Chinese people on the gambling slots. It was an eye opener. And you know casinos are set up to win. But one man we observed on a table was winning. And we were laughing and joking with him. But he have mastered the game and money was just chasing him now. Health Warning ⚠️ if you fall awake the silence, This is the real jackpot. Plus read the Living Planet Report by WWF they would have issues with the law of attraction as they have reported we have one generation to sort out the planet. As the last two generations have wiped out 60% of nature. c402277.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/publications/1187/files/original/LPR2018_Full_Report_Spreads.pdfI am talking about the problem in the LOA. Intention to eradicate something, or intention to create something would attract too. |
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Post by bluey on Nov 12, 2018 15:22:02 GMT -5
Yes there is a problem in LOA especially the book The Secret. And yet it still serves too.
As many ancient wisdom traditions had there own take of synchronicity, archetypes and LOA. You would have to make a search in the different traditions as you said it's a marketplace out there. Jung had his version Unus Mundus, with the physicist Wolfgang Pauli, meaningful coincidences and synchronicity. The First Nations had their version of teaching animal archetypes to their young to point at the unified field for more creative expression and to make it easier for them to go within.
These tools can be very useful if you are located in just the body and mind domains of experiencing.
Fairytales were very 18 plus ratings in the past. Most have been watered down in today's society to show the hero as ideal to follow. But in original fairytales the story was more at pointing at the parts that may be dormant in you that can serve. And fairytales were very graphic in the past.
So you can learn to paint 🎨 in all colours in life. Or let the colours paint you. Either way.
Like any movie we enjoy all the characters but within ourselves we don't. And that's a problem. Each part of you is adding flavour to your inner movement.
Locating as the seer sitting in the directors chair is really what it's about. What appears won't have the charge if you are located in just one part of yourself. If a part of you is sitting on the directors chair as the hero or bad cop you may find you won't be able to relate to the other colours within yourself. And they may start to have their say.
Better to locate as the seer in the directors chair and the question of intent to create and intent to eradicate won't arise. As you will be more unified with a movement and painting a new in the Now. You will be find your passion as it arises but that may change tomorrow. You won't know what's being painted next like a child who walks into a class room with a blank paper and handed a few crayons. Wow every moment is like this when the seer is in the directors chair. Barbie one day, rainbow the next and a unicorn the next day.
And these colours won't hold you hostage as you have been coloured in That which has no colour.
So play and creativity becomes very much that. Not a burden something to work out but life just happening. And it's beautiful as life is painting living through you. Just like a child you don't know what may appear on the page. As the mind isn't directing the flow. It may inform on what colour you're holding but then it takes a back seat.
The author of Jesus when many asked him what is the kingdom of heaven like. He said become childlike. Return your innocence return to your source. Children are very creative and teachers point at This. Place a paper and crayons and they will run to it like it's the first time.
Good thing about children they don't debate about the nature of appearances. They just play and are amazed at life.
A true sage has that same child's gaze of wonder.
Paint like a child then you can be creative and paint a picture bend the rules. But location location is what it's about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 13:31:08 GMT -5
Many of us here clearly aware of Law of attraction,this law states that like attracts like. People tend to use this law consciously to attract certain experience for themselves. When people try to use this Law, I would like to call that process as Reality Creation. There are various types of Reality creation is in the market, visualization, affirmation, passing subliminal message to subconsciousness and also few others. The mistake people are not realizing here is, It attract everything that you do, but we are mostly unconscious of that. For an example, when one comes to know similar feeling attracts the same feeling unto themselves, S/he tend to control that feelings to stop further attraction in his reality. But the mistake people do here becomes clearly unconscious, because the act you perform to control that feelings also would be attracted. So the entire situation(creates unpleasant feelings) which you want to control would fall on your lap for you to perform the control. So Nothing can be done by our conscious effort, only knowing or seeing collapse the illusion. After we came to know seeing collapse the illusion, we tend to find solution or deceived ourselves to be found something via clear seeing but what had just happened is mind formed conclusion, then we fall into another loop of seeking the answer! Hi Gopal For someone in the realised space the laws that may have applied previously when you were more identified in the domains of body and mind the lines begin to blur after self realisation. That's not to say they don't have partners or friends who live just in those domains of experiencing so those needs may take priority over self realisation or waking up to This for them. So they may have a quarrel or two. Barry Longs partner couldn't understand when he had to leave his marriage as That was making itself known. She complained at least say you're having an affair or something how will I tell other people that he's waking up. How will that sit with my friends. Most people have the belief things happen to other people but it doesn't have to be that way. From wealth love to realisation. But you can have the visualisations the affirmations but if it's not what you've come to do in life you can wallpaper your house with positive thoughts and images of large houses etc and it may not happen. The essence may knock on your door and make a beggar of you. But saying that you have to ask what you want from life if you are more identified in the domains of body and mind. Intent will play a major part. If I meet people I will always ask what they want from life first. As many do have needs. I'm not a property expert but working with a few people recently I showed them a quicker way to draw what they want in. It's not what I am pointing at but still serves. I once saw a woman on the news who dreamt of being in business and set up shop. And after a month she was heartbroken when children would come in and steal from her. And so she shut up shop. That's not the way to do it. Most successful business people deal with loss and gain all the time they have mastered that side of business. Don't give it a thought as they are used to the play. And you find more business comes when you master the opposites in any field. My partner and I went to a casino in Vancouver and the amount of Chinese people on the gambling slots. It was an eye opener. And you know casinos are set up to win. But one man we observed on a table was winning. And we were laughing and joking with him. But he have mastered the game and money was just chasing him now. Health Warning ⚠️ if you fall awake the silence, This is the real jackpot. Plus read the Living Planet Report by WWF they would have issues with the law of attraction as they have reported we have one generation to sort out the planet. As the last two generations have wiped out 60% of nature. c402277.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/publications/1187/files/original/LPR2018_Full_Report_Spreads.pdf |
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Post by bluey on Nov 13, 2018 15:21:18 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing I managed to watch the first part just now series 1:1 Chimpanzee.
In Senegal, west Africa, live a group of chimpanzees led by an alpha male named David. He has already been alpha for three years - a time when leaders here are usually overthrown. To make matters worse, David has no allies - no-one to help him defend his leadership. As the dry season sets in, the group are forced closer together to survive. But David is now surrounded by rivals who all want his crown and are prepared to kill him for it.
David faces brutal battles, has his world engulfed in flames and has to pull off an extraordinary act of deception. In a story of power and politics, can David overcome the threats to his leadership and hold on to the alpha position long enough to sire a possible future heir to his throne?
I love when the chimpanzees clear a space, challenging their rivals and then a female gives David the eye and it's time for him to mate. No one challenges him. He seems to have risen up the ranks as a teen. They capture David closing his eyes at 49 minutes in. It so beautiful alive it captures all of This. As if he knows another will come at some point to challenge him a reflection of himself. The drama never ends.
And the beautiful tattoo of the chimpanzee on the anthropologist Juel Pruetz who has been studying the chimpanzees for over twenty years, named the chimps and described it as being very much like watching a soap opera. With another likening David to Marlon Brando. It's tough being David being at the alpha, being at the top. Nature is beautiful, it has its dramas as we do too. Bittersweet. We have the advantage of knowing our real nature the silence behind the soap drama.
The face before we were born. Our true nature.
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 15:43:58 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing I managed to watch the first part just now series 1:1 Chimpanzee. In Senegal, west Africa, live a group of chimpanzees led by an alpha male named David. He has already been alpha for three years - a time when leaders here are usually overthrown. To make matters worse, David has no allies - no-one to help him defend his leadership. As the dry season sets in, the group are forced closer together to survive. But David is now surrounded by rivals who all want his crown and are prepared to kill him for it. David faces brutal battles, has his world engulfed in flames and has to pull off an extraordinary act of deception. In a story of power and politics, can David overcome the threats to his leadership and hold on to the alpha position long enough to sire a possible future heir to his throne? I love when the chimpanzees clear a space, challenging their rivals and then a female gives David the eye and it's time for him to mate. No one challenges him. He seems to have risen up the ranks as a teen. They capture David closing his eyes at 49 minutes in. It so beautiful alive it captures all of This. As if he knows another will come at some point to challenge him a reflection of himself. The drama never ends. And the beautiful tattoo of the chimpanzee on the anthropologist Juel Pruetz who has been studying the chimpanzees for over twenty years, named the chimps and described it as being very much like watching a soap opera. With another likening David to Marlon Brando. It's tough being David being at the alpha, being at the top. Nature is beautiful, it has its dramas as we do too. Bittersweet. We have the advantage of knowing our real nature the silence behind the soap drama. The face before we were born. Our true nature. Thanks for sharing. You're welcome. The whole series looks incredible and very informative. I personally don't doubt that animals of such intelligence are aware of the deep stillness inside their own presence. They just don't have the emotional spectrum to experience it with the same fascination as humans do.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 14, 2018 18:00:29 GMT -5
Many of us here clearly aware of Law of attraction,this law states that like attracts like. People tend to use this law consciously to attract certain experience for themselves. When people try to use this Law, I would like to call that process as Reality Creation. There are various types of Reality creation is in the market, visualization, affirmation, passing subliminal message to subconsciousness and also few others. The mistake people are not realizing here is, It attract everything that you do, but we are mostly unconscious of that. For an example, when one comes to know similar feeling attracts the same feeling unto themselves, S/he tend to control that feelings to stop further attraction in his reality. But the mistake people do here becomes clearly unconscious, because the act you perform to control that feelings also would be attracted. So the entire situation(creates unpleasant feelings) which you want to control would fall on your lap for you to perform the control. So Nothing can be done by our conscious effort, only knowing or seeing collapse the illusion. After we came to know seeing collapse the illusion, we tend to find solution or deceived ourselves to be found something via clear seeing but what had just happened is mind formed conclusion, then we fall into another loop of seeking the answer! Some things have been stated clearly by different people here over the years. (1) There is one whole, nothing can be outside the whole. That seems clear, virtually a tautology even. It also seems true that there is no SVP (I'm not sure what that would even mean, it certainly wouldn't mean (from #1) that there is a self that exists outside the whole). But for 95% of people on the planet it seems there is a self that can act independent of exterior circumstances. But is this true? The principle of nonvolition would indicate this not to be the case. So we have the whole, but a seeming self that can act independent of exterior circumstances. But if this self (any self) investigates, it will become apparent that nonvolition seems to be an ironclad principle. So we come to your question, can the self via the LOA change either interior or outer circumstances? For purposes of discussion we have two poles, whole and part (a self). Can a part effect the whole? Now, we know that the part is not separate from the whole. Now, it has been stated by many here, and to these it is an ironclad proposition that a SVP is illusory. So is there a self that is any sense an individuation? Some say yes, some unequivocally say no. So what would it mean to say self is an individuation? There are various opinions on this. To cover these there are various contexts proposed, really a kind of continuum of contexts. From the context of the whole, there aren't individuations. From everyday life, jobs, family, friends, there is a self which operates in the world. Wife says, bring home some milk, we stop and get milk. Now, I was taught a kind of version (Self-Image Psychology) of LOA. It's not *make a wish* and visualize and what you visualize will magically come. But basically you put the subconscious to work on the problem. Then the subconscious can reveal a plan to achieve the desired results. (Or in matters of health the subconscious, when put on the problem, can bring healing, or prevent disease, within bodily processes). But if the paragraph above is accurate then is this not a violation of the principle of nonvolition? And so with everyone here, different views are expressed. Some do not argue their position, if nonvolition is inviolate, nobody can, by themselves, alter either their interior or exterior circumstances (an acting self being illusory, and being illusory cannot effect any change whatsoever). Now some maintain that there is no distinction between an interior world and an exterior world, they are one whole movement. The so-called self is merely an expression of the whole. To see this and accept this puts an end to all seeking/searching. I would only ask, is this an irrevocable view, an absolute truth? If this is true there is no LOA wherein a ~person~ can effect change of any kind, nonvolition reigns. Let's take a simple peach pit, a seed, as an example. There was a peach tree growing beside my grandparents house, was there until they both died and the house was sold. My Grandfather died in 1980. When I was a young kid I learned about seeds, and decided to try an experiment (I'm guessing I was about 5-6, so about 1957-58). My Grandfather always had a large garden. One day I decided to take a peach pit and plant it in the garden. I specifically noted the location. We usually visited my grandparents about once a week. I watched the area, but no peach tree ever grew there. I never told this story to anyone growing up. But a few years ago I told this story to my father. He said that Grandpa had found a peach tree growing in the garden, and dug it up and planted it in the yard beside the house. Until we exchanged stories I never knew that that peach tree was my experiment, the peach pit I had planted in the garden. So was this all one singular movement, seed got planted, tree grew? Or did an individuation try a little experiment and the experiment worked (if the individuation had not planted the seed, there would never have been a peach tree in the yard), but the individuation didn't know it had worked until about 50 years later? OK, this is just an analogy. But I know without doubt there is an individuation that has the possibility to operate in the world (possibility but not a guarantee), that there is an inner world and an outer world, and the proof of what is said is the formation of a 3rd world that not now is, but can come into being. In various ways this is what I've posted on most of the time (51%). I do not dispute the views of anyone here. What I dispute is those views being irrevocably accurate. There are unknown possibilities that make them subject to revision. But this fact cannot be demonstrated to another, they can only be individually (subjectively {in relation to others} objectively {in relation to self}) verified. 99.999% accurate is not 100% accurate. Basically, if one considers their view 100% accurate, this shuts off all further inquiry. This violates the view/principle, I don't know, or movement from the known into the unknown. |
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Post by bluey on Nov 15, 2018 18:45:50 GMT -5
Yes Stardust the peach tree the seed and the tree are one.
The tree is in the seed. It requires the right soil and the stillness of the night to sprout.
The author of Jesus talks of the different types of seekers out there. The parable of the sower.
The LOA has its place. Imagine you fall awake you may point at only This but this may be lopsided as you may have a wife and children who don't resonate with your pointing. I saw it with Donna who was pointing at non duality teachings. And I had to ground her to show everything is pointing at That. That your relationship will suffer under non duality teachings.
For where they are at they may have needs. Nothing wrong with this. And they may serve you as you said fetch milk for your morning tea.
Take Krishnamurti the whole Theosophical society were creating a space for him to enter. Fetching his milk.
He may have felt after I need to put this society to sleep which he did do. But it doesn't take away the wants and needs that created a space for him to express his understanding of This Nothingness.
I've found through experience that teachers do have needs. Yes there is the silence but also the needs too.
It's too easy to say there is no want for nothing in this space. Which is true on one level but many teachers have partners or children who are experiencing in the domains of want and need.
We can't just focus on Ramana as an ideal teacher as he is sitting in a satsang tradition where those needs are being met.
For most people who fall awake now they will be exposed to being around characters from children, work, a husband or wife
And this can be different from Ramanas experience of being in a satsang surrounding.
Wayne Dyer is a good example of a sage who is pointing at This but had a wife, divorced and had children. And pointed at the Nothingness and also the needs in his children.
Advaita died a death non duality in India as the Bhakti traditions appeared. Hardly anyone knows who Ramana is in India. The West have breathed a cult like rigid tradition around his teachings Osho is more known in India than Ramana.
The LOA has its place. As does this Silence. The seed has the tree in it just as the tree gathers birds seekers on to it.
To just be identified in one domain of experience is being lopsided. Everything is pointing at This.
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Post by maxdprophet on Nov 22, 2022 9:54:33 GMT -5
[ Rupert Spira:]…The law of attraction is … it's never it's never really attracted me as an idea….but what does attract me is that …what does interest me is this: the distinction between a personal desire and an impersonal desire. Personal desire comes from the felt sense of being a separate self. And our desire arises on behalf of that that self -- or that fragment -- and it's very difficult for the universe to fulfill a personal desire because the desire is at odds with the reality of the universe. That's why personal desires, even if they seem to be fulfilled in the short term, tend not to lead to a deep sense of fulfillment or satisfaction. However, an impersonal desire is one that comes from our true nature, from joy, from peace, from love, and seeks to express itself in the world. So it still manifests as a desire but it's a desire that rises on behalf of the whole… or I could say it's a desire that arises on behalf of peace of love of truth of beauty and such a desire is in line with and an expression of the reality of the universe and therefore it's very easy for the universe to fulfill these desires. I think this is a less personal way of thinking of the law of attraction: that, if we find personal desires arising in us… rather than seeking to fulfill them, we should seek the person or the self on whose behalf they arise. But if we find an impersonal desire arising in us… that is, a desire that arises from love, truth, peace, beauty, justice and so on, then we should feel free to go out into the world and fulfill it because it will not only bring joy to ourselves it will bring joy to others. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 23, 2022 0:01:18 GMT -5
[ Rupert Spira:]…The law of attraction is … it's never it's never really attracted me as an idea….but what does attract me is that …what does interest me is this: the distinction between a personal desire and an impersonal desire. Personal desire comes from the felt sense of being a separate self. And our desire arises on behalf of that that self -- or that fragment -- and it's very difficult for the universe to fulfill a personal desire because the desire is at odds with the reality of the universe. That's why personal desires, even if they seem to be fulfilled in the short term, tend not to lead to a deep sense of fulfillment or satisfaction. However, an impersonal desire is one that comes from our true nature, from joy, from peace, from love, and seeks to express itself in the world. So it still manifests as a desire but it's a desire that rises on behalf of the whole… or I could say it's a desire that arises on behalf of peace of love of truth of beauty and such a desire is in line with and an expression of the reality of the universe and therefore it's very easy for the universe to fulfill these desires. I think this is a less personal way of thinking of the law of attraction: that, if we find personal desires arising in us… rather than seeking to fulfill them, we should seek the person or the self on whose behalf they arise. But if we find an impersonal desire arising in us… that is, a desire that arises from love, truth, peace, beauty, justice and so on, then we should feel free to go out into the world and fulfill it because it will not only bring joy to ourselves it will bring joy to others. Such nonsense!  Notice how he is conflating deliberate creation and LOA. Which suggests that he doesn't understand either. It's riddled with false assumptions. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 8:15:58 GMT -5
[ Rupert Spira:]…The law of attraction is … it's never it's never really attracted me as an idea….but what does attract me is that …what does interest me is this: the distinction between a personal desire and an impersonal desire. Personal desire comes from the felt sense [...] Such nonsense! Notice how he is conflating deliberate creation and LOA. Which suggests that he doesn't understand either. It's riddled with false assumptions. I clicked the link. His answer is longer than the quoted text, and it's in response to a direct question from another guy. He's using the meaning brought by the questioner. But at several points it's obvious he doesn't think much of LOA. He says that the author of the "Secret" has "moved on". Which false assumptions? |
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Post by maxdprophet on Nov 23, 2022 12:31:27 GMT -5
[ Rupert Spira:]...... I think this is a less personal way of thinking of the law of attraction: that, if we find personal desires arising in us… rather than seeking to fulfill them, we should seek the person or the self on whose behalf they arise. But if we find an impersonal desire arising in us… that is, a desire that arises from love, truth, peace, beauty, justice and so on, then we should feel free to go out into the world and fulfill it because it will not only bring joy to ourselves it will bring joy to others. Such nonsense! Notice how he is conflating deliberate creation and LOA. Which suggests that he doesn't understand either. It's riddled with false assumptions. I liked the takeaway in the last paragraph. It's pragmatic. But I don't know anything about whether it's a good reflection of deliberate creation or LOA and defer to your expertise. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2022 0:30:51 GMT -5
Such nonsense! Notice how he is conflating deliberate creation and LOA. Which suggests that he doesn't understand either. It's riddled with false assumptions. I clicked the link. His answer is longer than the quoted text, and it's in response to a direct question from another guy. He's using the meaning brought by the questioner. But at several points it's obvious he doesn't think much of LOA. He says that the author of the "Secret" has "moved on". Which false assumptions? I was replying to the quote Max posted. THE SECRET isn't such a bad book, actually (I recommend reading it). But yes, Rhonda has moved on to neo-advaita now. Which is interesting, because she's not the first one I've seen having moved from deliberate creation to neo-advaita and becoming anti-LOA. In her latest book, THE GREATEST SECRET (which I don't recommend reading), she reveals in the introduction why THE SECRET didn’t really make her happy and in the final analysis is just bunk, if the goal is peace of mind (well, she doesn’t really say that, but the sentiment comes thru between the lines rather clearly). She talks about how positive and awesome her life has been for so long and how grateful she is for all of that and blah blah blah but there was this nagging feeling that just didn’t go away, that kept her searching, seeking... until she was introduced to the greatest secret! (spoiler: the greatest secret = you are awareness) So to me this suggests Rhonda just moved from one mind game to another (higher level) mind game. So I'll predict that Rhonda will move on from there as well (because mind games don't lead to peace of mind, they just keep peaceless minds occupied so that the underlying peaceless state goes unnoticed). And there will probably be another book in 10 years, with the likely title: THE ULTIMATE SECRET, hehe. He is arguing for separation and even resistance. I'll go into more detail in my reply to Max. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2022 10:35:45 GMT -5
Such nonsense! Notice how he is conflating deliberate creation and LOA. Which suggests that he doesn't understand either. It's riddled with false assumptions. I liked the takeaway in the last paragraph. It's pragmatic. But I don't know anything about whether it's a good reflection of deliberate creation or LOA and defer to your expertise. Yes, he ends on a high note, which is nice. However, that’s not how it works in real life, is it? The flower children had to learn that the hard way. Let me explain (this is going to be a very long post, hehe): First off, Rupert is talking about deliberate creation (i.e. how do I manifest my desires? aka where's my stuff?), not LOA (i.e. that which is like unto itself is drawn). A lot of people use these two interchangeably, but that’s a big mistake. It’s like using gravity and aeronautics interchangeably. If you do this, nothing is going to make sense. LOA merely describes how creation is organized (both physical and non-physical). Which means LOA just is, like gravity just is. This is where the thread title is already misleading, because you cannot decide to one day ‘use’ LOA and the next day you don’t ‘use’ it. LOA is always operating in everything and thru everything. Similar to gravity again, you cannot decide to one day ‘use’ gravity when you go for a walk and the next day you don’t ‘use’ it. The difference though is that gravity applies to the physical realm only and not to the non-physical realm while LOA applies to all realms equally, dream state and waking state alike. That’s why gravity is not actually a ‘law’ and more like an agreement but LOA is the basic law in the universe. Now, to understand how LOA works in your life and how you attract all your experiences, you only have to accept one basic premise and then follow it thru logically till the end: You are living in an inclusion-based (attraction-based) universe and you include or attract by means of your focus, where you put your attention. The rest just follows: 1) Whatever you focus on, (its essence) will be included in your experience. 2) You get what you think about, whether you want it or not. 3) Saying ‘yes’ to something invites it into your experience, saying ‘no’ to something also invites it into your experience. 4) You are the creator of your own reality, whether you know this and are aware of this or not. That’s all you need to know in order to make sense of what is happening or has ever happened to you or anybody else. Now, being aware that you are the creator of your own reality is called deliberate creation. Not being aware that you are the creator of your own reality is called creation by default. But no matter into which category you fall, LOA works the same way regardless and you do create your own reality regardless. tbc |
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