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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 18:36:27 GMT -5
Well I understand it differently. Everything that you experience has within in it what you are. How you are experiencing what you are, as what you are not, is the illusion. Oh right, as I word it like more like all the experience is within me, but for me there's a space that is just there - kinda like that famous screen analogy - but there is a space deeper than space which is entirely unrelated that reveals me.The unending stillness and depth of your soul still doesn't prove that the universe is an illusion. Though that isn't to say that the experience of the daily 'universe' isn't altered when such depths offer their baptism. Those that have passed through such an incomprehensible stillness and depth as though they felt themselves passing through the Earth as a whole, are still experiencing the Universe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 18:54:58 GMT -5
I am male. I am wearing a dress. I want to experience being a female that`s why I am wearing a dress. Then I start putting lipstick on my lips, wear a bra, wear panties. Does that make me a female? Unless I change my male sex organ to female, remove my testicle. Still it does not make me a female because I do not have a uterus, ovaries. Same with a female wanting to become male. All the props they put into are illusions. One can not change what s/he is, physically. Mentally, one transform into so many personalities and lose the one that is not an illusion. Experiences may come and go. What remains ie love. It`s real, eternal and unchanging. It`s free. Interestingly, even those that fully go through gender re-assignment, still have the chakra rotation of their birth body. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 25, 2017 18:58:38 GMT -5
I am male. I am wearing a dress. I want to experience being a female that`s why I am wearing a dress. Then I start putting lipstick on my lips, wear a bra, wear panties. Does that make me a female? Unless I change my male sex organ to female, remove my testicle. Still it does not make me a female because I do not have a uterus, ovaries. Same with a female wanting to become male. All the props they put into are illusions. One can not change what s/he is, physically. Mentally, one transform into so many personalities and lose the one that is not an illusion. Experiences may come and go. What remains ie love. It`s real, eternal and unchanging. It`s free. Interestingly, even those that fully go through gender re-assignment, still have the chakra rotation of their birth body. Even in sleep, the Serpent awakes. 😀 |
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2017 19:07:46 GMT -5
 Then tell me the story of the proposal! PS: L, I'm not saying that planning doesn't happen. I actually kinda love planning, for things life brings my way, but especially when I organize a contents sale of an old estate.  Yes. Planning happens.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 25, 2017 19:26:08 GMT -5
PS: L, I'm not saying that planning doesn't happen. I actually kinda love planning, for things life brings my way, but especially when I organize a contents sale of an old estate. Yes. Planning happens. Murphy`s Law, " "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong". Everything was perfectly planned for the wedding. At the church on wedding day, the bride eloped with the groomsman. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 19:51:32 GMT -5
Interestingly, even those that fully go through gender re-assignment, still have the chakra rotation of their birth body. Even in sleep, the Serpent awakes. 😀 I wasn't really talking about Kundalini. rootshunt.com/maleandfemalechakras.htm |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 25, 2017 19:57:47 GMT -5
They looked like testicles or eyes to me these male and female rotational chakras ( graphic ). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:30:44 GMT -5
What`s pure love? You mean "I am That" is a voidal outpouring of pure love? That I called 'outpouring' is the nature of ourselves, but it isn't before us where we can find it. It comes from 'behind'. I sound quite silly teehee.Note to self: When someone is shocked by what you've said. Stay immediately in the first thought. Can you describe this me to me, please. 
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Post by lee on Nov 25, 2017 20:33:22 GMT -5
Yes, we could be talking about the same thing and "functional aspect" is a wonderful way to describe it Everyone's expression of the Absolute is different with some being more passive and others more proactive, and I feel that depends significantly on what is our soul purpose or spiritual contract. On one end of the spectrum, we have someone like Ramana Maharshi who was almost always in a passive mode perhaps because that was his life mission. But if one is nearer the other end of the spectrum with a laundry list of worldly things to accomplish and constantly receiving inspirations and visions to build something, perhaps because such a person wishes to experience what it's like to be "deep in the world but not of the world", then the creative process will be more proactive. Or in the case where one may feel plenty of love and compassion and wishes to reach out and enlighten as many people as possible, the creative process will also be more proactive. Granted that RM's total surrender mode may be the most enlightened way of being, it is not necessarily the right one for any given individual as our soul agenda for any particular lifetime supersedes everything else. But whether it's more passive or proactive, yup, they are all functional aspects of the Absolute So, what's a "soul purpose/spiritual contract"? It is a list of decisions we made on a soul level regarding our life goals/mission, experiences we wish to have, lessons we wish to learn, and emotional issues we wish to heal in this particular lifetime -- all of which would collectively determine our date/time/place of birth, the parents we were born to and our DNA, our strengths & weaknesses, gifts/talents, intellectual/intuitive abilities, our gender/ethnicity, and the soulmates/friends/enemies we will meet/marry, and even the energies on the other side of the veil we wish to work with. That's the plan anyway and most of us do not fulfil every item on the list, and there is no need to either. But major goals/lessons/emotional healing if not completed will require fulfilment in subsequent lifetime or lifetimes. It is not uncommon for emotional wounds to require several lifetimes to resolve especially if they are quite deep and complicated. To this end, the path of selflessness when it is practised via the suppression or denial of emotions and thoughts can actually hinder our healing. For this reason, I feel SR cannot truly and deeply happen unless and until our soul is satisfied that we have sufficiently healed ourselves of our emotional/energetic blockages, which do require a fair amount of external triggers (and therefore duality) to help bring these often subconscious issues to the surface for healing and releasing. Which is why we cannot as easily heal and release these energetic blockages back Home because there isn't duality to help us do so, and which is why the earth plane is an express lane for soul evolution. A healthier and more fulfilling way to transcend duality is not to suppress or deny it but to embrace it so that we may see through the illusion of it, which is why love is still the ultimate healer; it is in duality and not outside of it that we shall find the Absolute. |
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Post by lolly on Nov 25, 2017 22:25:19 GMT -5
Oh right, as I word it like more like all the experience is within me, but for me there's a space that is just there - kinda like that famous screen analogy - but there is a space deeper than space which is entirely unrelated that reveals me.The unending stillness and depth of your soul still doesn't prove that the universe is an illusion. Though that isn't to say that the experience of the daily 'universe' isn't altered when such depths offer their baptism. Those that have passed through such an incomprehensible stillness and depth as though they felt themselves passing through the Earth as a whole, are still experiencing the Universe. One of my favorite moments occurred on a long trek. It had been days since I spoke when I walked along a high mountain ridge and it suddenly occurred to me 'this is why God made the world'. It's not like a question preceded it, so there's no context, rationale etc. It's just that what we say is an illusion or what is real poses like an answer does and really these are only secondary notions assigned to 'what is'. So, when we try to make it true that this is an illusion or this is real, we become distracted from knowing it by the knowledge about it. |
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Post by lolly on Nov 25, 2017 22:27:54 GMT -5
That I called 'outpouring' is the nature of ourselves, but it isn't before us where we can find it. It comes from 'behind'. I sound quite silly teehee.Note to self: When someone is shocked by what you've said. Stay immediately in the first thought. I can't really describe it, but it's a voidal outpouring of pure love, and when I heard Nis say "I am That", it rang true for me.
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 0:52:56 GMT -5
Have you ever considered the differences between neti-neti and science? Critical thinking and skepticism put "not"'s in front of beliefs. With a very few exceptions, most of these disbeliefs aren't simply dispelling a myth, but instead replace myth with fact: the old theory is discredited by the new one that matches the observations and can best concord with related understandings. So scientists and other folks who adopt a critical, skeptical frame of mind have the highest quality set of beliefs by any evidence-driven metric, but they aren't without beliefs. The absence of existential belief requires a completely different orientation towards the senses and the content of our minds. It might not seem to theirself as though a person has an assumption or belief underlying their outlook and actions on life, the world, and themselves, but sometimes they make it quite obvious to onlookers that this is the case. Conversely, anyone who would point that out to them would have no choice but to make statements that would create the appearance that they are the ones with an assumption or belief. Good scientists admit that such and such theory best explains the evidence so far. In other words, there's a fundamental lack of certainty in positive statements like theory. But there is certainty in what is not the case, as you note. Theses can be rendered false via experimentation. Yes very similar to neti neti. However the endpoint of neti neti, like headlessness, is far from just a negation. Rather, an all encompassing affirmation, like wiping the condensation from a window. Yes, I agree about the end point. One of the differences I was thinking of is how science is always focused outward, on an objective metric. Neti-neti involves attention that can focus either outwardly or inwardly, and the latter, of course, is where the money shot eventually lies. Those good scientists with the open minds are responding to the Universe as it appears: constantly changing and of a scope beyond imagination. This "not-knowing" strikes me as similar to what the Zen guys talk about in that we could characterize it with some aphorism like "the only known that never varies is that there is the unknown". Materially speaking this is can mark a genuinely open perspective. The business of science is likely to continue long into the foreseeable future. But even those good guys aren't in the free fall of neti-neti. That "not-knowing" is similar, but not the same. The conceptual structures they build become unassailable precisely because they've survived the scrutiny. Do you know any educated atheist who really thinks of evolution as a "theory"? Now, I'm not suggesting that there's some viable alternative to Darwin, but I am suggesting that the rational worldview of a scientist is a perfect set-up for a sense of identity based on the assumption of realism that is so deep in their psyche as to have an unquestionable component, whether they're conscious of that or not. They wouldn't have to allow for the possibility of a flat Earth to become conscious of that assumption, but they would have to see the perspective of the Solar System as Sun-centric for what it is. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 26, 2017 1:05:54 GMT -5
So, what's a "soul purpose/spiritual contract"? It is a list of decisions we made on a soul level regarding our life goals/mission, experiences we wish to have, lessons we wish to learn, and emotional issues we wish to heal in this particular lifetime -- all of which would collectively determine our date/time/place of birth, the parents we were born to and our DNA, our strengths & weaknesses, gifts/talents, intellectual/intuitive abilities, our gender/ethnicity, and the soulmates/friends/enemies we will meet/marry, and even the energies on the other side of the veil we wish to work with. That's the plan anyway and most of us do not fulfil every item on the list, and there is no need to either. But major goals/lessons/emotional healing if not completed will require fulfilment in subsequent lifetime or lifetimes. It is not uncommon for emotional wounds to require several lifetimes to resolve especially if they are quite deep and complicated. To this end, the path of selflessness when it is practised via the suppression or denial of emotions and thoughts can actually hinder our healing. For this reason, I feel SR cannot truly and deeply happen unless and until our soul is satisfied that we have sufficiently healed ourselves of our emotional/energetic blockages, which do require a fair amount of external triggers (and therefore duality) to help bring these often subconscious issues to the surface for healing and releasing. Which is why we cannot as easily heal and release these energetic blockages back Home because there isn't duality to help us do so, and which is why the earth plane is an express lane for soul evolution. A healthier and more fulfilling way to transcend duality is not to suppress or deny it but to embrace it so that we may see through the illusion of it, which is why love is still the ultimate healer; it is in duality and not outside of it that we shall find the Absolute. Well thanks for taking the time to write the response. Our perspectives on death are quite different. But I am curious, what culture were you exposed to, and what experiences led you to your current outlook? Have you ever considered the possibility that there is no reincarnation, no afterlife, no plan, and no "Home"? |
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2017 1:48:49 GMT -5
Well thanks for taking the time to write the response. Our perspectives on death are quite different. But I am curious, what culture were you exposed to, and what experiences led you to your current outlook? My pleasure My background and interests are part-zen and part-New Age, and coupled with my personal experiences in self-healing and spiritual practice, I find this is the afterlife perspective that feels true for me. Have you ever considered the possibility that there is no reincarnation, no afterlife, no plan, and no "Home"? Yes, and that is possible, but just not a truth I resonate strongly with. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 6:05:00 GMT -5
Note to self: When someone is shocked by what you've said. Stay immediately in the first thought. Yes the more I say the more inane I become hahaha. And me |
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Then tell me the story of the proposal! 
