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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 13, 2017 9:14:27 GMT -5
Yea, I've been getting that answer for years here, it boggles my mind. But that answer is barely scratching the surface, of course the life and universe we see, in terms of itself, is meaningless, any atheist will tell me that. I guess from now on when I think of ND, a head stuck in the sand will come to mind. I never stopped asking existential questions. It seems ND presupposes there is nothing under the surface. Just a bit ago you admitted that at SR may lead to more compassionate, appropriate action. Perhaps weigh that against the absence of an answer to your philosophical Q (and don't get me wrong...it's a fine Q). Related here, I finally get E and ZD and some others. "They" say there isn't a higher state of consciousness. I finally get that they say that because for them there isn't a "larger" extended "universe", so there isn't anything else ~to be conscious of~. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 9:15:57 GMT -5
What is "that"? Reading a book or having a discussion about ND is the end of the journey? You mean SR?Yes. Once you know your true nature which is the same as being established in and as the natural state, there is no seeking. But in the sense that the unfolding of experience never ends, that journey never ends. But the ship is not seeking a port. As Jed would say it's all entertainment. It is the play (Lila) of creation and is enjoyed without being bound. It is beautiful beyond comprehension. It is Bliss. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 13, 2017 9:27:43 GMT -5
Once you know your true nature which is the same as being established in and as the natural state, there is no seeking. But in the sense that the unfolding of experience never ends, that journey never ends. But the ship is not seeking a port. As Jed would say it's all entertainment. It is the play (Lila) of creation and is enjoyed without being bound. It is beautiful beyond comprehension. It is Bliss. OK, here is my fundamental difference with it seems almost everyone here. For me, our true nature isn't static, it has the possibility of growing and evolving. The caterpillar has the possibility of becoming a butterfly, but there are no guarantees. The caterpillar might get eaten by a bird. The caterpillar cannot possibly know what it is to be a butterfly. A caterpillar is virtually stuck in two dimensions FAIAP. The butterfly is not. And then this is just a poor analogy. But then a caterpillar might see a butterfly, and yet have no conception whatsoever that that could be its true nature. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 9:34:15 GMT -5
Once you know your true nature which is the same as being established in and as the natural state, there is no seeking. But in the sense that the unfolding of experience never ends, that journey never ends. But the ship is not seeking a port. As Jed would say it's all entertainment. It is the play (Lila) of creation and is enjoyed without being bound. It is beautiful beyond comprehension. It is Bliss. OK, here is my fundamental difference with it seems almost everyone here. For me, our true nature isn't static, it has the possibility of growing and evolving. The caterpillar has the possibility of becoming a butterfly, but there are no guarantees. The caterpillar might get eaten by a bird. The caterpillar cannot possibly know what it is to be a butterfly. A caterpillar is virtually stuck in two dimensions FAIAP. The butterfly is not. And then this is just a poor analogy. But then a caterpillar might see a butterfly, and yet have no conception whatsoever that that could be its true nature. I know evolution is your view. But it's the wrong view. What use does the infinite have for evolution? |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 13, 2017 9:38:06 GMT -5
I think that's a proper spiritual question, but it's not the same as debating politics or whether Assad's government forces or another group were the perpetrators of the chemical weapons attack. Those specifics aren't required to talk about the fact that bad stuff happens in the world. The question is, should it be tolerated when such a discussion appears occasionally. I think you are annoyed because you feel you're being overly monitored and corrected for breaking the rules. And that I understand. It won't help if what has been perceived as a place to freely express views starts to feel oppressive. Reefs wants it to settle down into his vision of a perfect forum and then he will leave it alone. But that ignores the fact that people come and go and the dynamic is constantly changing. That's actually true, the dynamics always kept changing here. sometimes quite drastically. But that was due to the fact that no one really had a clear vision for this forum. It was sorta left to itself without a clear vision and clear rules. So the most prolific posters at any moment decided into what direction the forum momentarily would go. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 13, 2017 9:41:36 GMT -5
Once you know your true nature which is the same as being established in and as the natural state, there is no seeking. But in the sense that the unfolding of experience never ends, that journey never ends. But the ship is not seeking a port. As Jed would say it's all entertainment. It is the play (Lila) of creation and is enjoyed without being bound. It is beautiful beyond comprehension. It is Bliss. OK, here is my fundamental difference with it seems almost everyone here. For me, our true nature isn't static, it has the possibility of growing and evolving. The caterpillar has the possibility of becoming a butterfly, but there are no guarantees. The caterpillar might get eaten by a bird. The caterpillar cannot possibly know what it is to be a butterfly. A caterpillar is virtually stuck in two dimensions FAIAP. The butterfly is not. And then this is just a poor analogy. But then a caterpillar might see a butterfly, and yet have no conception whatsoever that that could be its true nature. If folks here have been talking about anything being static, I've missed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 10:20:53 GMT -5
I know evolution is your view. But it's the wrong view. What use does the infinite have for evolution? 'The Infinite' is not a noun. Not an entity. You use the word indicriminately, without considering its essence. Regardless, this is a non question. What use does the infinite have for you? Maybe not for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 11:34:51 GMT -5
Huh??..... The art of evasiveness. Oh do you really want to discuss if infinity can be a noun or not? Life is too short as they say. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 13, 2017 12:32:45 GMT -5
That would be reintroducing what we are trying to get rid of. We've got enough controversy already and we are still in the middle of a transition phase. So the less distraction, the better. A basic tone or vibration has to be established. Once that's done, the forum will run on its own and only keep and attract those people that are in alignment with that basic tone or vibration. So I'll be moderating a bit more hands on for a month or two until things are stable enough and everyone knows exactly what is okay and what isn't and then I'll just let the forum be. The final goal is no moderation whatsoever and let LOA do the work instead. Similar to what is said in the Daodejing about the highest form of governing a country. But that requires a mature community. And we are not quite there yet. But so far I can say it looks very promising. And we've basically been there once already, so it can be done again. OK, so does this mean the Bhagavad Gita is off limits, the discussion between Arjuna and Krishna where Arjuna is concerned about making war on his friends family? (Seriously, you've basically cut my legs out from under me, because all this discussion about stuff only happening in consciousness, IOW, nobody really dies, is a major issue with me. Do people die or not?) Of course bodies die, but what we are is not limited to bodies. What we are is what all bodies appear within. The problem is that people do not understand what is meant by the word "imagination." If someone asked me, "Is my body imaginary?" I'd hit them (lightly) with a Zen stick, and ask, "Does that feel imaginary?" LOL After an initial CC experience, I was never again concerned about death because it was obvious that what I am is not born and does not die. When Tess Hughes had her big realization, she said, "I realized what I was before my parents were born. I had finally found my way home." This kind of statement cannot be understood by the mind until a particular realization occurs. One of the formal Zen koans is, "What was your original face before your parents were born." Anyone who has had the realization I'm pointing to will be easily able to answer that question. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 13, 2017 12:45:31 GMT -5
Is it wrong or improper to ask (here on ST's and the moderated section) the question: Why does pain and suffering exist in the world? On the Ralston thread I pointed out that all why questions have one clear simple obvious answer. Why does pain and suffering exist in the world? That's a great question, but until one discovers the absolute unmitigated truth, s/he will keep spinning in the mind. Even if someone is given the answer to this question, it will rarely be accepted until a particular realization occurs. "Look deep or taste not the Pierian Spring." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:24:05 GMT -5
Oh do you really want to discuss if infinity can be a noun or not? Life is too short as they say. I don't. I won't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:37:13 GMT -5
Do you know it's Thai New Year here. The water throwing festival. I think you have the same in Cambodia but I don't know if it's the same day. Anyway, I'm in a bar with a lot of hot bodies and infinity is here. It's all entertainment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:45:34 GMT -5
Do you know it's Thai New Year here. The water throwing festival. I think you have the same in Cambodia but I don't know if it's the same day. Anyway, I'm in a bar with a lot of hot bodies and infinity is here. It's all entertainment. Yes, the same. They say 'Sur Sdey Chrom Thmey' - Happy New Year. I don't speak Khmer. Hot girl bodies or just hot bodies? Well most of them are girls. A few of them are ladyboys. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:49:32 GMT -5
Well most of them are girls. A few of them are ladyboys. What about your wife? Also... you are surrounded by hot bodies, but choose to post on this bloody forum? What ahppened to infinity? What happened to Presence?  Infinity and presence are intact. My wife is partying with some friends. All is well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 13:53:31 GMT -5
Infinity and presence are intact. My wife is partying with some friends. All is well. Hmmm.... It's not just me. You should speak to zendancer about when he smuggled wine into a retreat. This awakening business can be bad ass stuff. |
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