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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 10:30:18 GMT -5
He is unable to take off the Mask. Even among his 'friends' who haven't got a clue about his true identity... and absolutely no one knows his real Self. See last post. (There isn't a Jed....he's like, upon arising, or in every minute, OK, what (who) will I "wear" today?) The traces he leaves behind indicate a pattern of cowardice. Perhaps because his conditioned closet of costumes come with arrogance and hubris. And even a meek humble hippie like JC gets nailed in the end. So I don't fault him. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 10:35:36 GMT -5
There are only a few teachers I recommend Ian Wolstenholme, Donna Maria Stanley, Gary Weber, Linda Clair and Daniel Odier. On here just posting for Ian yet not knowing their real names satch and zen dancer do definitely stand out where I feel they are grounded in Being. A few posts earlier I did liken satch to Saraha, his no nonsense direct approach, as I had a sense a woman was going to shake him a little as the arrow smith woman did in the classical Tantric texts. I know he's had a tantric connection whether that's through the Maharishi yogi. Reading through these posts he's come through it. You can look at women teachers like Mariana Caplan who talk of teacher and student relationships where she went through a period of unwanted sexual advances from awakened teachers. She put that down to her own lack of maturity as a seeker, her own projections on what a true teacher was and it was mirrored in the teachers in her early days who were yet to deepen more in to That. Why glamour always has its Achilles heel over very unknown ordinary teachers. Most seekers are not ordinary as when they come upon this they will see how ordinary it is. And the unknown are more in number than those on the circuit. Why I met an ordinary unknown Tantric teacher in the early days. And seeing the contrast of a teacher on stage well known Barry Long over an unknown teacher. Much words can be cooked on the circuit whereas my first teacher was just pointing at it over a cup of tea but I felt it. No glamour there, very ordinary. But I was in that place to see what was being pointed at. Even though it was early days and much was going on as I was being made pure more nothing. Why with Mariana she didn't stop off and it led her to Lee Lozowick where she saw he was just devoted to his Guru and nothing else. Not interested in undressing her but always pointing at the essence she was. Women teachers in tantra Miranda Shaw especially for the history of female awakened teachers, the forgotten history the yoginis and dhakinis who talk of awakening and pure healing in one life time over just practice over many life times and Margot anand on tantra. There are a few more female teachers who come to mind. Make the search yourself if you want this enough. I don't know who Jed McKenna is except from what I've read on Shawns take on him. Hiding behind secrecy is a pointer one should have picked up on as a seeker. In my early days life was slowing me down as That was making itself known. At home I remember watching a news clip on how men would phone up those sex hotlines and many of the women were grannies knitting and talking dirty down the phone to the men who had an image of something else on the other end. I laughed out loud. Why I am not surprised on what you've posted. If it's true string him up, have your say, walk away and seek within and without until you find. Expose him if need be if that's the truth of your experience but do see your own lack of maturity as a seeker. Question why you were drawn to that type of teacher. Was he just a granny knitting on the other line. Phone sex nothing more. There's not one teacher on Shawns list I resonate with. I have my own list. Why you should have your own. Good and bad. Why Shawn needs to update the guru ratings to include more women teachers on his list. As women teachers have much to share in their own inner and outer journey especially as there are more women seekers now than ever before. As there is a healing side to awakened women that is not in male teachers. I've not seen in it those who have come to this through discipline but those with passion. But only a yogini a true female adept of tantra will know this, come to this. second that |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 10:48:04 GMT -5
The question of true Self generated some discussion, so here is some vomit on the subject. Truth exists. This looks convincing, does it not? Comforting and cosy, something to hold on to in this vast ocean of 'what the f*ck is going on, I I need a rudder!'. But. Is the tree true? Is Jed McKenna true? Is the sun true? Where is true? It does not exist. 'True' arises in the conceptual framework of the Mind. 'MY Self' as is known to most humans - has no existential Reality, a collection of stored neural pathways and perceptual schematics. But here is the paradox, of course. There is no point in denying that we, each one of us, still feel unique, continuous of our being. We feel the centre whioch makes us - us. Stardustpilgrim said: "It seems that for most people here there isn't an individuated true self or essence, there is merely Self, or the body as response to the cosmos, the mind-body being an expression of the whole cosmos. But for me, yes, there is an individuated essence, true self."My entire being, too, objects to the belief in the absence of individualted Self. This belief throws people off exactly because it is so contradictory to their being, to how they experience and interact with the world. This was one of my points of divergence with Jed, who kept insisting (until very recenty, crazy son of a b*tch) - 'no self'. But Jed has books to sell and students to fool. I don't. This is indeed THE IRONY... spiritual 'teachings' tell us there is no true self at all, yet many a teacher is well set up and thriving. Have you ever questioned why they shamelessly teach humans b*ullsh*t? And have you ever wondered just WHY the three major religions/spiritual thoughts of the world are different in the way they address certain things? I have an answer to that, but it is outside of this particular instance of vomit. Our true Selves have been suppressed, continuously lasered out of us, we were presented with millions of reflections of others, mirrored them, integrated what is not us - into our psyche. It started at birth, with the first breath when the good doctor placed you on your mum's chest and said 'Hey, he is a whopper'.. Take all that indoctrination out, take ALL OF IT out.. what is left? Nothing? Really? Have another look. Maugli might have been hopping the trees in the jungle with other monekys, but he was not nothing. A dog is not nothing, it has its true Self, albeit without being aware of it. A child is NEVER born as a blank slate, and those who had a few - will tell you how dfferent they were even as babies. What is left? My true nature, as at moment of conception. Unspoilt. Natural State. What is it? Sweet? Bitter? Mighty? Canning? Callous? Concerned? Can I murder another human in cold blood? Do I like running marathons because my body needs a challenge?. Do I thrive on taking things apart to see how they work? Do I feel compelled to create a work of art? Can I overcome a fear of a bungee jump? Do I naturally keep my cool in the face of adversity or turn into a whimpering wreck? True Self is. True Self exists. If you, as you are now here, were born EXACTLY as you are - in ancient Egypt... imagine that for a minute. Now, you would worship Osiris and would charcoal your eyes and would work the field or whatever... But your ESSENCE, as is now here in the modern world - would still be the same John or Mary. You would exhibit the same preferences for certain types of food, (but it wouldn't be pizza!), drink, sleeping and sex positions. You would have the same inclinations for activities (say, sedenary versus active), you would be prone to the same illnesses, would display the same phsychological traits, the same semen count and the colour of your eyes. It is unchangeable. All that and its being consitutes your true Self. But we are talking here in this forum essentially about human 'psyche', not the colour of your eyes, right? The psyche has the same properties in each human, but it manifests according to both true Self and the experienced personal reality, i. - your unique life stories. So what the heck are you, your true Self, and why do people get so confused when encounting the question for the first time? Because it is asked outside of any context. If I asked you 'What is this apple?'.... what would you answer? There are hundreds of different angles (contexts), with which to answer this question, and each one would be correct. They will be the total sum of all that the apple is: a fruit, tasty, my favourite thing, crunchy, round, grows in Winchester, fresh smell, rots fast, full of iron etc. etc. etc.... You are the sum total of all the above, expressed in human terms. Yes, the property of crunchy-ness is universal. We are all the same undifferentiated Consciousness floating in the vast field of cosmic nothing. But YOU may be crunchier than me. Or sweeter. Or smaller. Or juicier. Or harder. And so on. So what ARE you, your true Self? An easy question to answer, the meaning of which is totally concealed by how it is framed. You KNOW your crunchy-ness or smell or rot. That is all you are, specifically and at birth. "16. What is the nature of the Self?
What exists in truth is the Self alone. The world, the individual soul, and God are appearances in
it. like silver in mother-of-pearl, these three appear at the same time, and disappear at the same
time."
Ramana Maharshi "Who Am I? - Nan Yar? The world of nondualism absconds from Reality via the Oblivion Pill of denial of what is. It insists on expressing ONLY one part of the elephant: the world of no form. But Reality is about multitudes and existence of every opposing, contradicting instance, where both form and no form co-exist without contradiction. One has to go beyond 'spiritual' teachings to Reality of what is. What Is - is right in front of one's nose and encompasses everything. That is probably the only Truth, if you still need a name, but why would you when the rain is falling, the sun is shining, your stomach is asking for food and there is a good book to read or a new message on the forum to reply to... hehe.. it is incomprehensible and totally transparent at the same time. Someone I used to know in Sri Lanka (who was not TR, but was a Human Adult, which he wouldn't even know to class himself as) said to me 'I know the beauty of me'. darn right. I know mine too. I know what/who I am <========= Ego in perpetual dance with true (higher) Self which refuses to play the human Game. "What exists in truth is the Self alone." To figure out what you really are, you can contemplate this: You are.... what is.. when no one is looking at you. Re: the underlined. 1. One trick I learned here was to sidestep Truth for truthin'. Verbify it. Reefs, for example, likes to say "there's no Truth, only truthin." Right, cute. But to the point as well. 2. This seems to be a common complaint with nondualism. But I don't see the bifurcation. I am That? Ocean/wave. They don't stop with denying the reality of waves with respect to the ocean. That is a misunderstanding. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 11:10:02 GMT -5
Re: the underlined. 1. One trick I learned here was to sidestep Truth for truthin'. Verbify it. Reefs, for example, likes to say "there's no Truth, only truthin." Right, cute. But to the point as well. 2. This seems to be a common complaint with nondualism. But I don't see the bifurcation. I am That? Ocean/wave. They don't stop with denying the reality of waves with respect to the ocean. That is a misunderstanding. It is a matter of focus. When the 'teaching' focuses specifically on nondual aspect of the world... the desperate seekers take it as gospel and forget that DUALITY is seen as all encompassing=======> the ocean (although I hate metaphors for their ambiguities). Truthin hey.. funny there is lying, but not truthin in the language. One has to ask why.. perhaps, because lies exist, and truth - does not. Well truth does exist, at the same plane as lies. It's all conceptual. You're talking Truth, which is a Holy Grail. “What we are looking for is what is looking.” And that can not be apprehended, grasped, clutched, held. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 11:10:34 GMT -5
Makes absolutely no difference whether male or female. It may. Consider the all too common case of PTSD due to molestation. That's an extreme of which there are many lesser examples. But whatever facilitates a step is the point. |
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 3, 2017 11:22:21 GMT -5
Re: the underlined. 1. One trick I learned here was to sidestep Truth for truthin'. Verbify it. Reefs, for example, likes to say "there's no Truth, only truthin." Right, cute. But to the point as well. 2. This seems to be a common complaint with nondualism. But I don't see the bifurcation. I am That? Ocean/wave. They don't stop with denying the reality of waves with respect to the ocean. That is a misunderstanding. It is a matter of focus. When the 'teaching' focuses specifically on nondual aspect of the world... the desperate seekers take it as gospel and forget that DUALITY is seen as all encompassing=======> the ocean (although I hate metaphors for their ambiguities). Truthin hey.. funny there is lying, but not truthin in the language. One has to ask why.. perhaps, because lies exist, and truth - does not. Perhaps the desperate-seeker-stuck-by-poor-focus-of-teachings is an expression of one who has seen the limitation of the focus of a particular teaching. A 'stuck seeker' is created as part of the drama triangle so the veteran seeker can aid in rescue. In this new universe of internet, teachings are even more divorced from their original context. Already Niz has blinded a legion of seekers with carelessly flicked beedies. And the bodies pile up. Soon we will have a posthumous crucifixion for the dastardly Niz. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 15:01:31 GMT -5
See last post. (There isn't a Jed....he's like, upon arising, or in every minute, OK, what (who) will I "wear" today?) The traces he leaves behind indicate a pattern of cowardice. Perhaps because his conditioned closet of costumes come with arrogance and hubris. And even a meek humble hippie like JC gets nailed in the end. So I don't fault him. Yes, I'd say it doesn't hurt to protect the body. |
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Post by bluey on Apr 9, 2017 5:31:53 GMT -5
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Apr 2, 2017 11:30:35 GMT 1 tano said:
He is unable to take off the Mask. Even among his 'friends' who haven't got a clue about his true identity... and absolutely no one knows his real Self.
One question I watched a few videos on Jed over the past few days. Is that his real voice?
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 9, 2017 13:47:49 GMT -5
One question I watched a few videos on Jed over the past few days. Is that his real voice? No, it is not. An actor. I wondered about that too. Also, did Jed sanction those/participate (e.g. choose slides) or was that just CapAhab being inspired? |
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Post by bluey on Apr 9, 2017 17:59:30 GMT -5
One question I watched a few videos on Jed over the past few days. Is that his real voice? No, it is not. An actor. Thanks for the reply. Now Jed could argue Bach you need glamour in teachings to present this Nothing over to those who believe and move in the world of something. I can't just open a stall and sell nothing, present nothing as it will not be understood. I will have no seekers. I've dressed this up and look every one on YouTube and in the spiritual marketplace are queuing up. Yes the mystery of my identity and the actor in my videos has got them hooked in. They even think it's my voice. Im acting as a bridge and yes when they come to it it will be like the phone sex you mentioned earlier, an ordinary granny on the other end knitting and groaning spiritual words which arouse them. They will be disappointed, have a zen moment, feel a real let down when they see me, how very ordinary this is. It worked on Tano. She's seeing this stall is just empty. What The Hell. Where is the Jed from the videos, the books.........and who is this girl you have on your arm. I'm the one you're waiting for I have it on my email.....and he may say Bach you come from the tantric traditions you can bring stillness to a woman through touch right lovemaking. I'm just doing the same or am I. Is there something to be seen through yet. Tano seems to think so. Yet I may say the right person will come along, even if it's one person. They will have a maturity an understanding of the marketplace. They will feel something of the empty stall as they are very close to it. There is no right or wrong. Different horses for different courses. A true teacher will want the student to go beyond the expression he or she is presenting. As we ride on the backs of those who come before us as there is no language for That. Bodhidarma was said to have sat facing a wall, some traditions talk of him waiting for the right seeker to come along. Jed may say cook the words put on a show. Enjoy the play. There was a poster who used to post on here with the lassie dog he had been at one stage in the sant mat traditions. They give you names to meditate on, the rulers of the inner regions as in the classical texts of Kabir, niz's guru who talked of the Indian sage Tukaram who talked of the inner regions the rulers within, in his works, one of my favourite sages. One lady I met who had awakened through those teachings told me of when one guru was passing on the mantle ship to the next guru where he took him to show him how seekers are in the marketplace and they visited the kumbh mela. It's a gathering every so many years of sadhus yogis so called awakened ones in India. Google it. And she said they both sat there and all day no one came to them. The seekers seemed more interested in the glamour the entertainment of what was in the market place, the image and projections they had placed on what a guru is, what awakening is and so these two ordinary sages were overlooked. And the main guru said if one person comes we will take them within. And she told me one lady came and the guru placed his students hand on her head and his hand over his and her mind was made still as she went within. Ramana placed over a very ordinary teaching. Only a few understood him. What's beautiful about him is that his presence was enough to awaken anyone. Then he had to give a practice to those who couldn't be present to what he was. It's seems Robert Adams felt him straight away just as I did when I met the man in the book store. I had my back to him but his voice made me smile. And just seeing the stillness in his eyes was enough for me. I was in the sales game on the market I had a habit of looking at people and doing a quick sale. But here was someone I had never seen enter the marketplace. I couldn't sell after that meeting. Going back to Ramana, his mother and the animals around him. And what's beautiful I once read how he danced with and used touch with the cow and used touch with his mother just as the two sages had done at the kumbh mela. A true sage can do that. And you know he's a sage when he dances in emptiness. Why Ramana is known as the greatest sage in India. As he didn't wear a mask. Didn't hide behind any pretence or glamour. But Jed may say that was glamour too as I am in the game. He is wearing a mask. Now Jed may say seekers are spoilt they have every teacher at hand on the net. Every book is available to them. This is how I'm going to present this Nothing over as this is now the ignorance of these times not Ramanas, Kabirs time. I have to give them the phone sex as you mentioned earlier through my books and videos so the mind collapses from glamour, separation to Nothingness, Oneness. |
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Post by bluey on Apr 9, 2017 22:12:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Now Jed could argue Bach you need glamour in teachings to present this Nothing over to those who believe and move in the world of something. I can't just open a stall and sell nothing, present nothing as it will not be understood. I will have no seekers. I've dressed this up and look every one on YouTube and in the spiritual marketplace are queuing up. Yes the mystery of my identity and the actor in my videos has got them hooked in. They even think it's my voice. Im acting as a bridge and yes when they come to it it will be like the phone sex you mentioned earlier, an ordinary granny on the other end knitting and groaning spiritual words which arouse them. They will be disappointed, have a zen moment, feel a real let down when they see me, how very ordinary this is. It worked on Tano. She's seeing this stall is just empty. What The Hell. Where is the Jed from the videos, the books.........and who is this girl you have on your arm. I'm the one you're waiting for I have it on my email.....and he may say Bach you come from the tantric traditions you can bring stillness to a woman through touch right lovemaking. I'm just doing the same or am I. Is there something to be seen through yet. Tano seems to think so. Yet I may say the right person will come along, even if it's one person. They will have a maturity an understanding of the marketplace. They will feel something of the empty stall as they are very close to it. There is no right or wrong. Different horses for different courses. A true teacher will want the student to go beyond the expression he or she is presenting. As we ride on the backs of those who come before us as there is no language for That. Bodhidarma was said to have sat facing a wall, some traditions talk of him waiting for the right seeker to come along. Jed may say cook the words put on a show. Enjoy the play. There was a poster who used to post on here with the lassie dog he had been at one stage in the sant mat traditions. They give you names to meditate on, the rulers of the inner regions as in the classical texts of Kabir, niz's guru who talked of the Indian sage Tukaram who talked of the inner regions the rulers within, in his works, one of my favourite sages. One lady I met who had awakened through those teachings told me of when one guru was passing on the mantle ship to the next guru where he took him to show him how seekers are in the marketplace and they visited the kumbh mela. It's a gathering every so many years of sadhus yogis so called awakened ones in India. Google it. And she said they both sat there and all day no one came to them. The seekers seemed more interested in the glamour the entertainment of what was in the market place, the image and projections they had placed on what a guru is, what awakening is and so these two ordinary sages were overlooked. And the main guru said if one person comes we will take them within. And she told me one lady came and the guru placed his students hand on her head and his hand over his and her mind was made still as she went within. Ramana placed over a very ordinary teaching. Only a few understood him. What's beautiful about him is that his presence was enough to awaken anyone. Then he had to give a practice to those who couldn't be present to what he was. It's seems Robert Adams felt him straight away just as I did when I met the man in the book store. I had my back to him but his voice made me smile. And just seeing the stillness in his eyes was enough for me. I was in the sales game on the market I had a habit of looking at people and doing a quick sale. But here was someone I had never seen enter the marketplace. I couldn't sell after that meeting. Going back to Ramana, his mother and the animals around him. And what's beautiful I once read how he danced with and used touch with the cow and used touch with his mother just as the two sages had done at the kumbh mela. A true sage can do that. And you know he's a sage when he dances in emptiness. Why Ramana is known as the greatest sage in India. As he didn't wear a mask. Didn't hide behind any pretence or glamour. But Jed may say that was glamour too as I am in the game. He is wearing a mask. Now Jed may say seekers are spoilt they have every teacher at hand on the net. Every book is available to them. This is how I'm going to present this Nothing over as this is now the ignorance of these times not Ramanas, Kabirs time. I have to give them the phone sex as you mentioned earlier through my books and videos so the mind collapses from glamour, separation to Nothingness, Oneness. If you still use the expression 'true sage' then there is something to be seen through. There are no true sages. Those who saw what is AND have Intergrity within them - remain silent and DO NOT ENTER the market place, do not need seekers, have no wish to teach anything. How can one enter the spiritual market place and attempt to sell - exactly nothing? There is NOTHING TO SELL. Full stop. As Jed used to say - selling tomatos from an empty cart... which he has now successfully done himself. Ramana was a man. I am sure he wanked. Don't know about girls on his arm, but Niz had those. Ramana just lived, then stupid fascinated mindless people came and made it into a road show.. he gave in too, designed the ashram (he was an active participant in that) and lived happily ever after. No one escapes the Dream, because there is nowhere to go. Like Ramana - Jed dances too, except not with cows.. with 'birds'. 'Cultural' differences I guess?  It sounds as if you are saying I spoke about telephone sex and grannies. I never have, it was someone else. When I talk of sages I talk of those who have realised the highest truth as nothing. Yes it's true many sages are unknown, they don't need to teach, don't feel a need to, hold down ordinary jobs. I have to disagree with your point I don't masturbate. There isn't the phantom woman that used to be there as a teenager in the old mind love making before realisation where I would be making love and imagining another woman in love making, even masturbating in my free time, undressing women as I passed them by whilst walking with my partner, the pain body as Barry Long and Eckhart talk of to bring this about. As most men and women do. You don't speak for me. Just your imagining of what sages are has not been my experience. I bow down to every sage I've been with as their presence has helped deepen, become more nothing. I may question parts of Barry longs teachings but mainly its been all good. And still is. Do you know anything of Tantra, did Jed, did he teach how to make right love? By only going what you posted and deleted you have had a run in with Jed who turned out to be what you didn't imagine. From your earlier rants your posts which you have now deleted. That has nothing to do with me or anyone else. It has more to do with you and your own projections. If Jed let you down both he and you let you down. Take it up with him. No one else. He's been your teacher the one you ran to. Not mine. Blame Jed and yourself not me for your rants. It's where you are at. I will call my teachers sages as that's been my experience. I having nothing but love for them. Refer to the first sentence. Don't put all sages both male and female into the same box I don't know if Ramana masturbated or Jed did as that seems to be coming from your understanding or lack of. Ramana was never caught up in a scandal unlike Ramesh balsekar. Ramana has a clean record. He hasn't been my teacher but I feel the purity and the heart he is. And I'm not speaking from experience. But when I saw sai baba, Ramesh, Andrew Cohen and I forget the name of the other I knew they hadn't deepened in to what they were teaching over. They were hiding much. From your own experience did you see Ramana or Jed masturbate? You said Ramana wanked. And no I'm not zen dancer he's had his own path. Like Ramana I don't need one of his loved up students male or female to play hot and cold to tell me whether he's awakened or not. It's self evident. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 9, 2017 22:36:32 GMT -5
It's clear from the consistency of his writing that he wears the same outfit every day. Read bluey's post about Jed's incognito-ness. I think that's more of a privacy issue, doesn't want to be swamped by people who are not really serious. Yes, he's the same inside, but he probably manifests differently, in the world, like we all do. He just does it deliberately. The consistency of his writing is a privacy issue?? |
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Post by steven777 on Apr 10, 2017 0:05:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Now Jed could argue Bach you need glamour in teachings to present this Nothing over to those who believe and move in the world of something. I can't just open a stall and sell nothing, present nothing as it will not be understood. I will have no seekers. I've dressed this up and look every one on YouTube and in the spiritual marketplace are queuing up. Yes the mystery of my identity and the actor in my videos has got them hooked in. They even think it's my voice. Im acting as a bridge and yes when they come to it it will be like the phone sex you mentioned earlier, an ordinary granny on the other end knitting and groaning spiritual words which arouse them. They will be disappointed, have a zen moment, feel a real let down when they see me, how very ordinary this is. It worked on Tano. She's seeing this stall is just empty. What The Hell. Where is the Jed from the videos, the books.........and who is this girl you have on your arm. I'm the one you're waiting for I have it on my email.....and he may say Bach you come from the tantric traditions you can bring stillness to a woman through touch right lovemaking. I'm just doing the same or am I. Is there something to be seen through yet. Tano seems to think so. Yet I may say the right person will come along, even if it's one person. They will have a maturity an understanding of the marketplace. They will feel something of the empty stall as they are very close to it. There is no right or wrong. Different horses for different courses. A true teacher will want the student to go beyond the expression he or she is presenting. As we ride on the backs of those who come before us as there is no language for That. Bodhidarma was said to have sat facing a wall, some traditions talk of him waiting for the right seeker to come along. Jed may say cook the words put on a show. Enjoy the play. There was a poster who used to post on here with the lassie dog he had been at one stage in the sant mat traditions. They give you names to meditate on, the rulers of the inner regions as in the classical texts of Kabir, niz's guru who talked of the Indian sage Tukaram who talked of the inner regions the rulers within, in his works, one of my favourite sages. One lady I met who had awakened through those teachings told me of when one guru was passing on the mantle ship to the next guru where he took him to show him how seekers are in the marketplace and they visited the kumbh mela. It's a gathering every so many years of sadhus yogis so called awakened ones in India. Google it. And she said they both sat there and all day no one came to them. The seekers seemed more interested in the glamour the entertainment of what was in the market place, the image and projections they had placed on what a guru is, what awakening is and so these two ordinary sages were overlooked. And the main guru said if one person comes we will take them within. And she told me one lady came and the guru placed his students hand on her head and his hand over his and her mind was made still as she went within. Ramana placed over a very ordinary teaching. Only a few understood him. What's beautiful about him is that his presence was enough to awaken anyone. Then he had to give a practice to those who couldn't be present to what he was. It's seems Robert Adams felt him straight away just as I did when I met the man in the book store. I had my back to him but his voice made me smile. And just seeing the stillness in his eyes was enough for me. I was in the sales game on the market I had a habit of looking at people and doing a quick sale. But here was someone I had never seen enter the marketplace. I couldn't sell after that meeting. Going back to Ramana, his mother and the animals around him. And what's beautiful I once read how he danced with and used touch with the cow and used touch with his mother just as the two sages had done at the kumbh mela. A true sage can do that. And you know he's a sage when he dances in emptiness. Why Ramana is known as the greatest sage in India. As he didn't wear a mask. Didn't hide behind any pretence or glamour. But Jed may say that was glamour too as I am in the game. He is wearing a mask. Now Jed may say seekers are spoilt they have every teacher at hand on the net. Every book is available to them. This is how I'm going to present this Nothing over as this is now the ignorance of these times not Ramanas, Kabirs time. I have to give them the phone sex as you mentioned earlier through my books and videos so the mind collapses from glamour, separation to Nothingness, Oneness. If you still use the expression 'true sage' then there is something to be seen through. There are no true sages. Those who saw what is AND have Intergrity within them - remain silent and DO NOT ENTER the market place, do not need seekers, have no wish to teach anything. How can one enter the spiritual market place and attempt to sell - exactly nothing? There is NOTHING TO SELL. Full stop. As Jed used to say - selling tomatos from an empty cart... which he has now successfully done himself. Ramana was a man. I am sure he wanked. Don't know about girls on his arm, but Niz had those. Ramana just lived, then stupid fascinated mindless people came and made it into a road show.. he gave in too, designed the ashram (he was an active participant in that) and lived happily ever after. No one escapes the Dream, because there is nowhere to go. Like Ramana - Jed dances too, except not with cows.. with 'birds'. 'Cultural' differences I guess? It sounds as if you are saying I spoke about telephone sex and grannies. I never have, it was someone else. Ramana was an explorer...looking see how far one could go into the abyss and carry it around with them in a human shaped cup. Fascinating too. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 10, 2017 0:31:07 GMT -5
Read bluey's post about Jed's incognito-ness. I think that's more of a privacy issue, doesn't want to be swamped by people who are not really serious. Yes, he's the same inside, but he probably manifests differently, in the world, like we all do. He just does it deliberately. The consistency of his writing is a privacy issue?? The point is that the books are crafted. I would say crafted in a similar manner as Kierkegaard, who even wrote under other names, sometimes even taking the opposition viewpoint. So when a character in one of Jed's books is speaking, that voice may or may not be based on an actual person. Understand? Jed is a kind of "philosophical" novelist, except they aren't novels. Walker Percy deliberately copied Kierkegaard, wrote novels centered around philosophy. Jed writes philosophy and sprinkles in story. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 1:38:05 GMT -5
The consistency of his writing is a privacy issue?? The point is that the books are crafted. I would say crafted in a similar manner as Kierkegaard, who even wrote under other names, sometimes even taking the opposition viewpoint. So when a character in one of Jed's books is speaking, that voice may or may not be based on an actual person. Understand? Jed is a kind of "philosophical" novelist, except they aren't novels. Walker Percy deliberately copied Kierkegaard, wrote novels centered around philosophy. Jed writes philosophy and sprinkles in story. I got to the end of that book and felt strangely indifferent pilgrim. Part of that I think is what you just touched on. I kept thinking, did that ashram in Iowa really exist. Did he really have "teaching" conversations with these people who drifted in and out of the house. Was the interview real where his interaction caused the journalist to have an epiphany? I read somewhere that no one could find any evidence at all about Iowa or the people he wrote about. Or was writing it as a fictional story just a device to get across his understanding of awakening, to be different from the countless books you see about this subject. |
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