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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 2, 2017 15:36:54 GMT -5
I'll take this as the answer to my question in the other thread. And I'll echo SDP with another yes. When I first came to this forum I made a comment that people get stuck in the nothingness. They know what they are and that what they are is inconceivable but then stop there without letting the ramifications of that sink in. I spent the better part of the last ten years ignoring that, thinking I was done. The ramifications though! An itch that can't be scratched away when ignored. Yes. One has to go back to the reality of what it is to be human, and specifically, what kind of human one is, outside of any external influence. I am a very fast learner. Done in two years to the week, and from that - never really stopped===>>> done-r and done-r... I have unquenchable thirst to know just how far this particular Consciousness will go. Of course, the 'nondual' folks will say there is nowhere to go. In one context - yes, correct. Wherever I go - here I am!! But in other ways... what ELSE can I see with Clarity? How Far? How high? How deep? Then I'll kick the bucket, and all this Knowing will be lost. Thousands of others will ask tehmselves the same questions, and will go through the process, will discover there was nothing to discover.. then will kick the bucket. Will re-invent the wheel. The Wheel of Non Creative Creation. Technological progress is fast, compared to the passing on of existential Wisdom. sdp likes to infinity first two paragraphs. However, How far? How high? How deep? (second paragraph) may eventually negate the third paragraph, may. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 2, 2017 15:39:06 GMT -5
Yes. One has to go back to the reality of what it is to be human, and specifically, what kind of human one is, outside of any external influence. I am a very fast learner. Done in two years to the week, and from that - never really stopped===>>> done-r and done-r... I have unquenchable thirst to know just how far this particular Consciousness will go. Of course, the 'nondual' folks will say there is nowhere to go. In one context - yes, correct. Wherever I go - here I am!! But in other ways... what ELSE can I see with Clarity? How Far? How high? How deep?
Then I'll kick the bucket, and all this Knowing will be lost. Thousands of others will ask tehmselves the same questions, and will go through the process, will discover there was nothing to discover.. then will kick the bucket. Will re-invent the wheel. The Wheel of Non Creative Creation. Technological progress is fast, compared to the passing on of existential Wisdom. How far can you see with Clarity? Can you see into an Ancient Oak and know it's life as the air that it stands in? How high can you see with Clarity? Can you see into a Mountain and know it's life as an Ocean floor? How deep can you see with Clarity? Can you see into the darkness of the deepest Ocean and not run back to the light? These are easy questions (compared to the hard questions). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 17:01:48 GMT -5
How far can you see with Clarity? Can you see into an Ancient Oak and know it's life as the air that it stands in? How high can you see with Clarity? Can you see into a Mountain and know it's life as an Ocean floor? How deep can you see with Clarity? Can you see into the darkness of the deepest Ocean and not run back to the light? These are easy questions (compared to the hard questions).  |
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Post by bluey on Apr 2, 2017 19:35:43 GMT -5
There are only a few teachers I recommend Ian Wolstenholme, Donna Maria Stanley, Gary Weber, Linda Clair and Daniel Odier. On here just posting for Ian yet not knowing their real names satch and zen dancer do definitely stand out where I feel they are grounded in Being. A few posts earlier I did liken satch to Saraha, his no nonsense direct approach, as I had a sense a woman was going to shake him a little as the arrow smith woman did in the classical Tantric texts. I know he's had a tantric connection whether that's through the Maharishi yogi. Reading through these posts he's come through it.
You can look at women teachers like Mariana Caplan who talk of teacher and student relationships where she went through a period of unwanted sexual advances from awakened teachers. She put that down to her own lack of maturity as a seeker, her own projections on what a true teacher was and it was mirrored in the teachers in her early days who were yet to deepen more in to That. Why glamour always has its Achilles heel over very unknown ordinary teachers. Most seekers are not ordinary as when they come upon this they will see how ordinary it is. And the unknown are more in number than those on the circuit. Why I met an ordinary unknown Tantric teacher in the early days. And seeing the contrast of a teacher on stage well known Barry Long over an unknown teacher. Much words can be cooked on the circuit whereas my first teacher was just pointing at it over a cup of tea but I felt it. No glamour there, very ordinary. But I was in that place to see what was being pointed at. Even though it was early days and much was going on as I was being made pure more nothing.
Why with Mariana she didn't stop off and it led her to Lee Lozowick where she saw he was just devoted to his Guru and nothing else. Not interested in undressing her but always pointing at the essence she was.
Women teachers in tantra Miranda Shaw especially for the history of female awakened teachers, the forgotten history the yoginis and dhakinis who talk of awakening and pure healing in one life time over just practice over many life times and Margot anand on tantra. There are a few more female teachers who come to mind. Make the search yourself if you want this enough.
I don't know who Jed McKenna is except from what I've read on Shawns take on him. Hiding behind secrecy is a pointer one should have picked up on as a seeker. In my early days life was slowing me down as That was making itself known. At home I remember watching a news clip on how men would phone up those sex hotlines and many of the women were grannies knitting and talking dirty down the phone to the men who had an image of something else on the other end. I laughed out loud.
Why I am not surprised on what you've posted. If it's true string him up, have your say, walk away and seek within and without until you find. Expose him if need be if that's the truth of your experience but do see your own lack of maturity as a seeker. Question why you were drawn to that type of teacher. Was he just a granny knitting on the other line. Phone sex nothing more.
There's not one teacher on Shawns list I resonate with. I have my own list. Why you should have your own. Good and bad.
Why Shawn needs to update the guru ratings to include more women teachers on his list. As women teachers have much to share in their own inner and outer journey especially as there are more women seekers now than ever before. As there is a healing side to awakened women that is not in male teachers. I've not seen in it those who have come to this through discipline but those with passion.
But only a yogini a true female adept of tantra will know this, come to this.
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2017 22:28:25 GMT -5
Yes. One has to go back to the reality of what it is to be human, and specifically, what kind of human one is, outside of any external influence. I am a very fast learner. Done in two years to the week, and from that - never really stopped===>>> done-r and done-r... I have unquenchable thirst to know just how far this particular Consciousness will go. Of course, the 'nondual' folks will say there is nowhere to go. In one context - yes, correct. Wherever I go - here I am!! But in other ways... what ELSE can I see with Clarity? How Far? How high? How deep?
Then I'll kick the bucket, and all this Knowing will be lost. Thousands of others will ask tehmselves the same questions, and will go through the process, will discover there was nothing to discover.. then will kick the bucket. Will re-invent the wheel. The Wheel of Non Creative Creation. Technological progress is fast, compared to the passing on of existential Wisdom. How far can you see with Clarity? Can you see into an Ancient Oak and know it's life as the air that it stands in? How high can you see with Clarity? Can you see into a Mountain and know it's life as an Ocean floor? How deep can you see with Clarity? Can you see into the darkness of the deepest Ocean and not run back to the light? That's good. Is that a quote or is that yours? |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2017 22:32:12 GMT -5
He is unable to take off the Mask. Even among his 'friends' who haven't got a clue about his true identity... and absolutely no one knows his real Self. See last post. (There isn't a Jed....he's like, upon arising, or in every minute, OK, what (who) will I "wear" today?) It's clear from the consistency of his writing that he wears the same outfit every day. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2017 22:36:30 GMT -5
How far can you see with Clarity? Can you see into an Ancient Oak and know it's life as the air that it stands in? How high can you see with Clarity? Can you see into a Mountain and know it's life as an Ocean floor? How deep can you see with Clarity? Can you see into the darkness of the deepest Ocean and not run back to the light? These are easy questions (compared to the hard questions). And they are hard questions compared to the easy ones.  (another variant on the Tenktology) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 1:42:49 GMT -5
How far can you see with Clarity? Can you see into an Ancient Oak and know it's life as the air that it stands in? How high can you see with Clarity? Can you see into a Mountain and know it's life as an Ocean floor? How deep can you see with Clarity? Can you see into the darkness of the deepest Ocean and not run back to the light? That's good. Is that a quote or is that yours? All mine. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 9:11:25 GMT -5
sdp likes to infinity first two paragraphs. However, How far? How high? How deep? (second paragraph) may eventually negate the third paragraph, may. How? In what way? Without being specific, as an analogy. What we are, is information. We are a certain point of view. We are different from the other. So, whatever we are, it's information. There are many ways information can be saved or conveyed, I can speak, I can do sign language, I can write it out with pen and paper, I can use a typewriter, I can use a cell phone and text, I can use a computer. At some point in the trail, what you're typing right now is most likely converted to light and sent down optic fibers. Or you could use Morris code. But anyway, the information that constitutes self, doesn't necessarily have to die when the body dies. IOW, if one sees deep enough, they might see a way to preserve the information that now-exists as neural connections. But then again, one might not want to. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 9:21:30 GMT -5
See last post. (There isn't a Jed....he's like, upon arising, or in every minute, OK, what (who) will I "wear" today?) It's clear from the consistency of his writing that he wears the same outfit every day. Read bluey's post about Jed's incognito-ness. I think that's more of a privacy issue, doesn't want to be swamped by people who are not really serious. Yes, he's the same inside, but he probably manifests differently, in the world, like we all do. He just does it deliberately. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 9:25:17 GMT -5
I'll take this as the answer to my question in the other thread. And I'll echo SDP with another yes. When I first came to this forum I made a comment that people get stuck in the nothingness. They know what they are and that what they are is inconceivable but then stop there without letting the ramifications of that sink in. I spent the better part of the last ten years ignoring that, thinking I was done. The ramifications though! An itch that can't be scratched away when ignored. Yes. One has to go back to the reality of what it is to be human, and specifically, what kind of human one is, outside of any external influence. I am a very fast learner. Done in two years to the week, and from that - never really stopped===>>> done-r and done-r... I have unquenchable thirst to know just how far this particular Consciousness will go. Of course, the 'nondual' folks will say there is nowhere to go. In one context - yes, correct. Wherever I go - here I am!! But in other ways... what ELSE can I see with Clarity? How Far? How high? How deep? Then I'll kick the bucket, and all this Knowing will be lost. Thousands of others will ask tehmselves the same questions, and will go through the process, will discover there was nothing to discover.. then will kick the bucket. Will re-invent the wheel. The Wheel of Non Creative Creation. Technological progress is fast, compared to the passing on of existential Wisdom. , understand. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 10:04:27 GMT -5
Without being specific, as an analogy. What we are, is information. We are a certain point of view. We are different from the other. So, whatever we are, it's information. There are many ways information can be saved or conveyed, I can speak, I can do sign language, I can write it out with pen and paper, I can use a typewriter, I can use a cell phone and text, I can use a computer. At some point in the trail, what you're typing right now is most likely converted to light and sent down optic fibers. Or you could use Morris code. But anyway, the information that constitutes self, doesn't necessarily have to die when the body dies. IOW, if one sees deep enough, they might see a way to preserve the information that now-exists as neural connections. But then again, one might not want to.
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If I understand your question, tano exists, as patterns of energy, memory. It's a somewhat stable pattern, because the same tano that goes to sleep at night, or whenever, is the same tano that wakes up in the morning (or whenever). All I'm saying is that that ~pattern of energy that constitutes tano~ doesn't have to die when the physical body dies. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 3, 2017 10:13:24 GMT -5
Without being specific, as an analogy. What we are, is information. We are a certain point of view. We are different from the other. So, whatever we are, it's information. There are many ways information can be saved or conveyed, I can speak, I can do sign language, I can write it out with pen and paper, I can use a typewriter, I can use a cell phone and text, I can use a computer. At some point in the trail, what you're typing right now is most likely converted to light and sent down optic fibers. Or you could use Morris code. But anyway, the information that constitutes self, doesn't necessarily have to die when the body dies. IOW, if one sees deep enough, they might see a way to preserve the information that now-exists as neural connections. But then again, one might not want to. If someone went around and asked sages, "What are you?" it's doubtful that any of them would answer, "Information." What Jesus called "the living truth" is beyond all ideas. It can be known directly, but it can only be pointed to with words. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 10:19:35 GMT -5
If I understand your question, tano exists, as patterns of energy, memory. It's a somewhat stable pattern, because the same tano that goes to sleep at night, or whenever, is the same tano that wakes up in the morning (or whenever). All I'm saying is that that ~pattern of energy that constitutes tano~ doesn't have to die when the physical body dies. This is where you and I part ways  OK, no problem. We have to be selective, everything can't get done. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 3, 2017 10:22:35 GMT -5
Without being specific, as an analogy. What we are, is information. We are a certain point of view. We are different from the other. So, whatever we are, it's information. There are many ways information can be saved or conveyed, I can speak, I can do sign language, I can write it out with pen and paper, I can use a typewriter, I can use a cell phone and text, I can use a computer. At some point in the trail, what you're typing right now is most likely converted to light and sent down optic fibers. Or you could use Morris code. But anyway, the information that constitutes self, doesn't necessarily have to die when the body dies. IOW, if one sees deep enough, they might see a way to preserve the information that now-exists as neural connections. But then again, one might not want to. If someone went around and asked sages, "What are you?" it's doubtful that any of them would answer, "Information." What Jesus called "the living truth" is beyond all ideas. It can be known directly, but it can only be pointed to with words. Yes, and Jesus deliberately poked ~a hornets nest~ and got himself killed. The why of that has to be answered too. |
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