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Post by laughter on Apr 5, 2017 3:47:21 GMT -5
Note the date on this: Also look you participated in tano's Jed thread from her first incarnation back in '15. I could put up a page full of stuff like this. You are a fantasist. During the two years I have been here I have seen references to Jed McKenna now and again but never bothered to find out more. It was only when tano introduced the thread I thought it might be a good idea to find out what all the fuss was about. Initially I resisted, but after misinterpreting one of his quotes which was pointed out by Enigma, I thought I had better read one of his books and fired up my Kindle. You can morph your false narrative, but you can't hide:  Yo satch. Jed does not refer to stream entry. Anja paralleled use of the term to Jed's First Step, which doesn't fit in my opinion. It sounds a bit like 'entering the vortex' in AH LOA speak, but shaking a compartment out of an LOA devotee is like finding a dolphin head with a jet ski. Okay understood. As I said I haven't read any Jed but I looked up some of his quotes yesterday and I quite liked his uncompromising stance. What would be a good read of his? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 3:49:07 GMT -5
You just said yourself you weren't conscious of having felt that way but that the fact that you're possibly being used did occur to you recently. I know you were at least partly joking here, but sometimes what we jest about can be very telling. The focus on this numbnut isn't healthy and assuming it doesn't persist indefinitely, your future spiritual story will cast it in terms of a hindrance. The guy is f#cking poison. You can cultivate disinterest in him, if you want to. Perhaps, I used the wrong words. I got passionate about it because I thought of the girls, and of course Satch and his Thailand life came in, which got me going. THAT was what got me going. You should live here for a while to understand. He is a virus. By now you might be aware that I think the same about ANY official spiritual teacher, but Jed is in the league of his own. The forum is full of people who send him money... for what? To hear his voice on SKYPE? I don't know, L.. It lookes like an immovable force met an unsurmountable obstacle. Tano, I don't feel the need or should I be obliged to talk about my personal life but I have been in a monogamous relationship for twenty years in Thailand. Okay. Will that do? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 3:50:53 GMT -5
You are a fantasist. During the two years I have been here I have seen references to Jed McKenna now and again but never bothered to find out more. It was only when tano introduced the thread I thought it might be a good idea to find out what all the fuss was about. Initially I resisted, but after misinterpreting one of his quotes which was pointed out by Enigma, I thought I had better read one of his books and fired up my Kindle. You can morph your false narrative, but you can't hide: Okay understood. As I said I haven't read any Jed but I looked up some of his quotes yesterday and I quite liked his uncompromising stance. What would be a good read of his? Yes, someone mentioned the Jed guy and I googled it and read a few quotes. Milking it much? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 3:51:23 GMT -5
Well, if I were in the same room with you I'd look you in the eye and tell you flat you you have a problem in terms of a mental fixation, and that it's hooked your conditioned mind. Developing an interest in that notion would be one possible beginning to the end of the fixation. I totally appreciate that, L. it will run its course, I tend not to force things on Self. I am close enough to dumping it in the heap on the floor, saying 'fuck him' and walking away. BUT I still feel he needs a ... well, not gonna say. I think the strength of my feeling towards the whole thing lies in the fact that absolutely EVERYTHING that took place in the past four years - was the result of his presnece, be it the book, correspondence, forum, Cambodia blah bla. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 3:54:59 GMT -5
Perhaps, I used the wrong words. I got passionate about it because I thought of the girls, and of course Satch and his Thailand life came in, which got me going. THAT was what got me going. You should live here for a while to understand. He is a virus. By now you might be aware that I think the same about ANY official spiritual teacher, but Jed is in the league of his own. The forum is full of people who send him money... for what? To hear his voice on SKYPE? I don't know, L.. It lookes like an immovable force met an unsurmountable obstacle. Tano, I don't feel the need or should I be obliged to talk about my personal life but I have been in a monogamous relationship for twenty years in Thailand. Okay. Will that do? You are not obliged at all, Satch, and I don't expect it. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 5, 2017 3:55:10 GMT -5
You can morph your false narrative, but you can't hide: Yes, someone mentioned the Jed guy and I googled it and read a few quotes. Milking it much? Just burnin' a straw man.  |
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Post by tenka on Apr 5, 2017 4:01:20 GMT -5
Not sure what kinda 'Self she is' means? I wrote 'The Lie of No Self' here. Don't want to repeat the same. You can readi it and protest to me later if you want  No worries . The link seems to of disappeared along with the opening post of the thread . Not sure how a Self realized individual could lie to another's face . If a Self realized individual does then who are they lying too or trying to kid? It doesn't make sense, it would be like going against the grain of the realization . Maybe for some whom have realized have a bout of weakness . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:02:53 GMT -5
I wasn't unconscious about being 'used. because I honestly think it is a far fetched theory. Jed is good, but not THAT good, and besides you are not aware how out interaction went prior to all this blowing up. Also, thank you for the kind words. I am aware he is an not a very nice person. The list of names I emailed him in the past 1.5 years is very long, from c*nt to c*ck to coward to dipping it in p*ssy, conman to King Kong etc. etc.. hahaha!! I wasn't kind to him and have no idea why he didn't ditch me a few years back. Perhaps... he felt the love What the hell.. I didn't say 'not a very nice person' I said 'an as* hole |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:08:04 GMT -5
No worries . The link seems to of disappeared along with the opening post of the thread . Not sure how a Self realized individual could lie to another's face . If a Self realized individual does then who are they lying too or trying to kid? It doesn't make sense, it would be like going against the grain of the realization . Maybe for some whom have realized have a bout of weakness . Here (thanks to SDP): You can beat me with a hammer after. Apr 2, 2017 at 4:14pm tano said: The question of true Self generated some discussion, so here is some vomit on the subject. Truth exists. This looks convincing, does it not? Comforting and cosy, something to hold on to in this vast ocean of 'what the f*ck is going on, I I need a rudder!'. But. Is the tree true? Is Jed McKenna true? Is the sun true? Where is true? It does not exist. 'True' arises in the conceptual framework of the Mind. 'MY Self' as is known to most humans - has no existential Reality, a collection of stored neural pathways and perceptual schematics. But here is the paradox, of course. There is no point in denying that we, each one of us, still feel unique, continuous of our being. We feel the centre whioch makes us - us. Stardustpilgrim said: "It seems that for most people here there isn't an individuated true self or essence, there is merely Self, or the body as response to the cosmos, the mind-body being an expression of the whole cosmos. But for me, yes, there is an individuated essence, true self." My entire being, too, objects to the belief in the absence of individualted Self. This belief throws people off exactly because it is so contradictory to their being, to how they experience and interact with the world. This was one of my points of divergence with Jed, who kept insisting (until very recenty, crazy son of a b*tch) - 'no self'. But Jed has books to sell and students to fool. I don't. This is indeed THE IRONY... spiritual 'teachings' tell us there is no true self at all, yet many a teacher is well set up and thriving. Have you ever questioned why they shamelessly teach humans b*ullsh*t? And have you ever wondered just WHY the three major religions/spiritual thoughts of the world are different in the way they address certain things? I have an answer to that, but it is outside of this particular instance of vomit. Our true Selves have been suppressed, continuously lasered out of us, we were presented with millions of reflections of others, mirrored them, integrated what is not us - into our psyche. It started at birth, with the first breath when the good doctor placed you on your mum's chest and said 'Hey, he is a whopper'.. Take all that indoctrination out, take ALL OF IT out.. what is left? Nothing? Really? Have another look. Maugli might have been hopping the trees in the jungle with other monekys, but he was not nothing. A dog is not nothing, it has its true Self, albeit without being aware of it. A child is NEVER born as a blank slate, and those who had a few - will tell you how dfferent they were even as babies. What is left? My true nature, as at moment of conception. Unspoilt. Natural State. What is it? Sweet? Bitter? Mighty? Canning? Callous? Concerned? Can I murder another human in cold blood? Do I like running marathons because my body needs a challenge?. Do I thrive on taking things apart to see how they work? Do I feel compelled to create a work of art? Can I overcome a fear of a bungee jump? Do I naturally keep my cool in the face of adversity or turn into a whimpering wreck? True Self is. True Self exists. If you, as you are now here, were born EXACTLY as you are - in ancient Egypt... imagine that for a minute. Now, you would worship Osiris and would charcoal your eyes and would work the field or whatever... But your ESSENCE, as is now here in the modern world - would still be the same John or Mary. You would exhibit the same preferences for certain types of food, (but it wouldn't be pizza!), drink, sleeping and sex positions. You would have the same inclinations for activities (say, sedenary versus active), you would be prone to the same illnesses, would display the same phsychological traits, the same semen count and the colour of your eyes. It is unchangeable. All that and its being consitutes your true Self. But we are talking here in this forum essentially about human 'psyche', not the colour of your eyes, right? The psyche has the same properties in each human, but it manifests according to both true Self and the experienced personal reality, i. - your unique life stories. So what the heck are you, your true Self, and why do people get so confused when encounting the question for the first time? Because it is asked outside of any context. If I asked you 'What is this apple?'.... what would you answer? There are hundreds of different angles (contexts), with which to answer this question, and each one would be correct. They will be the total sum of all that the apple is: a fruit, tasty, my favourite thing, crunchy, round, grows in Winchester, fresh smell, rots fast, full of iron etc. etc. etc.... You are the sum total of all the above, expressed in human terms. Yes, the property of crunchy-ness is universal. We are all the same undifferentiated Consciousness floating in the vast field of cosmic nothing. But YOU may be crunchier than me. Or sweeter. Or smaller. Or juicier. Or harder. And so on. So what ARE you, your true Self? An easy question to answer, the meaning of which is totally concealed by how it is framed. You KNOW your crunchy-ness or smell or rot. That is all you are, specifically and at birth. "16. What is the nature of the Self? What exists in truth is the Self alone. The world, the individual soul, and God are appearances in it. like silver in mother-of-pearl, these three appear at the same time, and disappear at the same time." Ramana Maharshi "Who Am I? - Nan Yar? The world of nondualism absconds from Reality via the Oblivion Pill of denial of what is. It insists on expressing ONLY one part of the elephant: the world of no form. But Reality is about multitudes and existence of every opposing, contradicting instance, where both form and no form co-exist without contradiction. One has to go beyond 'spiritual' teachings to Reality of what is. What Is - is right in front of one's nose and encompasses everything. That is probably the only Truth, if you still need a name, but why would you when the rain is falling, the sun is shining, your stomach is asking for food and there is a good book to read or a new message on the forum to reply to... hehe.. it is incomprehensible and totally transparent at the same time. Someone I used to know in Sri Lanka (who was not TR, but was a Human Adult, which he wouldn't even know to class himself as) said to me 'I know the beauty of me'. darn right. I know mine too. I know what/who I am <========= Ego in perpetual dance with true (higher) Self which refuses to play the human Game. "What exists in truth is the Self alone." To figure out what you really are, you can contemplate this: You are.... what is.. when no one is looking at you. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4897/lie-self?page=1#ixzz4dMeJBjrF |
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Post by tenka on Apr 5, 2017 4:42:09 GMT -5
No worries . The link seems to of disappeared along with the opening post of the thread . Not sure how a Self realized individual could lie to another's face . If a Self realized individual does then who are they lying too or trying to kid? It doesn't make sense, it would be like going against the grain of the realization . Maybe for some whom have realized have a bout of weakness . Here (thanks to SDP): You can beat me with a hammer after. Apr 2, 2017 at 4:14pm tano said: The question of true Self generated some discussion, so here is some vomit on the subject. Truth exists. This looks convincing, does it not? Comforting and cosy, something to hold on to in this vast ocean of 'what the f*ck is going on, I I need a rudder!'. But. Is the tree true? Is Jed McKenna true? Is the sun true? Where is true? It does not exist. 'True' arises in the conceptual framework of the Mind. 'MY Self' as is known to most humans - has no existential Reality, a collection of stored neural pathways and perceptual schematics. But here is the paradox, of course. There is no point in denying that we, each one of us, still feel unique, continuous of our being. We feel the centre whioch makes us - us. Stardustpilgrim said: "It seems that for most people here there isn't an individuated true self or essence, there is merely Self, or the body as response to the cosmos, the mind-body being an expression of the whole cosmos. But for me, yes, there is an individuated essence, true self." My entire being, too, objects to the belief in the absence of individualted Self. This belief throws people off exactly because it is so contradictory to their being, to how they experience and interact with the world. This was one of my points of divergence with Jed, who kept insisting (until very recenty, crazy son of a b*tch) - 'no self'. But Jed has books to sell and students to fool. I don't. This is indeed THE IRONY... spiritual 'teachings' tell us there is no true self at all, yet many a teacher is well set up and thriving. Have you ever questioned why they shamelessly teach humans b*ullsh*t? And have you ever wondered just WHY the three major religions/spiritual thoughts of the world are different in the way they address certain things? I have an answer to that, but it is outside of this particular instance of vomit. Our true Selves have been suppressed, continuously lasered out of us, we were presented with millions of reflections of others, mirrored them, integrated what is not us - into our psyche. It started at birth, with the first breath when the good doctor placed you on your mum's chest and said 'Hey, he is a whopper'.. Take all that indoctrination out, take ALL OF IT out.. what is left? Nothing? Really? Have another look. Maugli might have been hopping the trees in the jungle with other monekys, but he was not nothing. A dog is not nothing, it has its true Self, albeit without being aware of it. A child is NEVER born as a blank slate, and those who had a few - will tell you how dfferent they were even as babies. What is left? My true nature, as at moment of conception. Unspoilt. Natural State. What is it? Sweet? Bitter? Mighty? Canning? Callous? Concerned? Can I murder another human in cold blood? Do I like running marathons because my body needs a challenge?. Do I thrive on taking things apart to see how they work? Do I feel compelled to create a work of art? Can I overcome a fear of a bungee jump? Do I naturally keep my cool in the face of adversity or turn into a whimpering wreck? True Self is. True Self exists. If you, as you are now here, were born EXACTLY as you are - in ancient Egypt... imagine that for a minute. Now, you would worship Osiris and would charcoal your eyes and would work the field or whatever... But your ESSENCE, as is now here in the modern world - would still be the same John or Mary. You would exhibit the same preferences for certain types of food, (but it wouldn't be pizza!), drink, sleeping and sex positions. You would have the same inclinations for activities (say, sedenary versus active), you would be prone to the same illnesses, would display the same phsychological traits, the same semen count and the colour of your eyes. It is unchangeable. All that and its being consitutes your true Self. But we are talking here in this forum essentially about human 'psyche', not the colour of your eyes, right? The psyche has the same properties in each human, but it manifests according to both true Self and the experienced personal reality, i. - your unique life stories. So what the heck are you, your true Self, and why do people get so confused when encounting the question for the first time? Because it is asked outside of any context. If I asked you 'What is this apple?'.... what would you answer? There are hundreds of different angles (contexts), with which to answer this question, and each one would be correct. They will be the total sum of all that the apple is: a fruit, tasty, my favourite thing, crunchy, round, grows in Winchester, fresh smell, rots fast, full of iron etc. etc. etc.... You are the sum total of all the above, expressed in human terms. Yes, the property of crunchy-ness is universal. We are all the same undifferentiated Consciousness floating in the vast field of cosmic nothing. But YOU may be crunchier than me. Or sweeter. Or smaller. Or juicier. Or harder. And so on. So what ARE you, your true Self? An easy question to answer, the meaning of which is totally concealed by how it is framed. You KNOW your crunchy-ness or smell or rot. That is all you are, specifically and at birth. "16. What is the nature of the Self? What exists in truth is the Self alone. The world, the individual soul, and God are appearances in it. like silver in mother-of-pearl, these three appear at the same time, and disappear at the same time." Ramana Maharshi "Who Am I? - Nan Yar? The world of nondualism absconds from Reality via the Oblivion Pill of denial of what is. It insists on expressing ONLY one part of the elephant: the world of no form. But Reality is about multitudes and existence of every opposing, contradicting instance, where both form and no form co-exist without contradiction. One has to go beyond 'spiritual' teachings to Reality of what is. What Is - is right in front of one's nose and encompasses everything. That is probably the only Truth, if you still need a name, but why would you when the rain is falling, the sun is shining, your stomach is asking for food and there is a good book to read or a new message on the forum to reply to... hehe.. it is incomprehensible and totally transparent at the same time. Someone I used to know in Sri Lanka (who was not TR, but was a Human Adult, which he wouldn't even know to class himself as) said to me 'I know the beauty of me'. darn right. I know mine too. I know what/who I am <========= Ego in perpetual dance with true (higher) Self which refuses to play the human Game. "What exists in truth is the Self alone." To figure out what you really are, you can contemplate this: You are.... what is.. when no one is looking at you. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4897/lie-self?page=1#ixzz4dMeJBjrFI read your stuff and there is a lot emphasising the true self . I don't really go into the real / true / false / illusory stuff butt there is a being yourself in every moment . In that respect you can only be doing that . Is that real enough? I think Satch touched upon something along these lines . I mean if I am really upset about something, then I am being really upset about something, it's that straightforward . Our character traits, our conditioning, our deepest nature all have bearings to some extent . Our environment is our environment . We find ourselves either living in a monastery or living in the middle of a war zone . It's really o.k to be at peace or to be fearful . It's perhaps easier to be at peace when a gun isn't shoved in your mouth so when we speak of anything butt our immediate environment and our current state of mind then I would say one can only do so, moment by moment . What is the next moment bringing for you or me or my mum? A Self realized individual will respond in the moment in the only way they know . Would a humanitarian second guess helping another, or pretend to care? I think however that there are many do-gooders that are doing good, butt not through their own goodwill . The difference is there within themselves . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 4:52:51 GMT -5
I wrote 'The Lie of No Self' here. Don't want to repeat the same. You can readi it and protest to me later if you want No worries . The link seems to of disappeared along with the opening post of the thread . Not sure how a Self realized individual could lie to another's face . If a Self realized individual does then who are they lying too or trying to kid? It doesn't make sense, it would be like going against the grain of the realization . Maybe for some whom have realized have a bout of weakness . Would a self realized being tell a lie if it meant it avoided hurting someone's feelings? |
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Post by tenka on Apr 5, 2017 5:15:56 GMT -5
No worries . The link seems to of disappeared along with the opening post of the thread . Not sure how a Self realized individual could lie to another's face . If a Self realized individual does then who are they lying too or trying to kid? It doesn't make sense, it would be like going against the grain of the realization . Maybe for some whom have realized have a bout of weakness . Would a self realized being tell a lie if it meant it avoided hurting someone's feelings? Well, it's a hypothetical question, butt I would say it's highly possible that one could/would counter question . Q. Do I look fat? A. Do you feel fat? Q. No seriously do I look fat? A. Are you happy with your body as you are? if you are not then what can you do about it? I touched upon peeps being how they are whether they are Self realized or not . It's possible peeps could spare another's feelings and say that they are not fat, butt is that really helping . I would say that S.R. dudes get to the point if they are drawn to divulge in another's matters . What I would say is that it doesn't concern a master how fat anyone is . Would a master say to an enthusiastic seeker with no discipline or sincerity or Self longing that they would realize Self soon, just to spare his feelings? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 6:21:00 GMT -5
Would a self realized being tell a lie if it meant it avoided hurting someone's feelings? Well, it's a hypothetical question, butt I would say it's highly possible that one could/would counter question . Q. Do I look fat? A. Do you feel fat? Q. No seriously do I look fat? A. Are you happy with your body as you are? if you are not then what can you do about it? I touched upon peeps being how they are whether they are Self realized or not . It's possible peeps could spare another's feelings and say that they are not fat, butt is that really helping . I would say that S.R. dudes get to the point if they are drawn to divulge in another's matters . What I would say is that it doesn't concern a master how fat anyone is . Would a master say to an enthusiastic seeker with no discipline or sincerity or Self longing that they would realize Self soon, just to spare his feelings? Man on deathbed: I'm so scared. Am I going to die? SR Dude: No, you're going to be fine. Get some rest now. SR Dude to nurse: Thanks for telling me he won't make it through the night. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 7:41:52 GMT -5
<abbr title="Apr 5, 2017 16:42:09 GMT 7" data-timestamp="1491385329000" class="o-timestamp time">Apr 5, 2017 16:42:09 GMT 7</abbr> tenka said: I read your stuff and there is a lot emphasising the true self . I don't really go into the real / true / false / illusory stuff butt there is a being yourself in every moment .
In that respect you can only be doing that . Is that real enough? I think Satch touched upon something along these lines . I mean if I am really upset about something, then I am being really upset about something, it's that straightforward . Our character traits, our conditioning, our deepest nature all have bearings to some extent . Our environment is our environment . We find ourselves either living in a monastery or living in the middle of a war zone . It's really o.k to be at peace or to be fearful . It's perhaps easier to be at peace when a gun isn't shoved in your mouth so when we speak of anything butt our immediate environment and our current state of mind then I would say one can only do so, moment by moment . What is the next moment bringing for you or me or my mum? A Self realized individual will respond in the moment in the only way they know .Would a humanitarian second guess helping another, or pretend to care? I think however that there are many do-gooders that are doing good, butt not through their own goodwill . The difference is there within themselves . see.. you know that already. It really helps to have a look at 'Know Thyself' This motto was enscribed over Apollo Temple in Delphi. Apollo is associated with Ego, the Sun. It shines so bright that it cannot see anything other than its image. Subtract that ego bound image, look what is underneath, and you will find your crunchy-ness or juicy-ness or whatever else there is. Then, ideally, BE that in all situations, respond to life from that. Real Self requires very little energetic maintainance, after all does a tree think of itself 'Do I get a good spot in the sun tomorrow? How bushy is my foliage? Will humans come and cut me down soon? And does a tree then pretend, CHANGES its natural tree behaviour to meet all those complicated thoughts? Many humans choose to cover their Self. They often respond as a combination of real Self and their ego. But ego is only a tool to achieve what is necessary for an individual human to live in a state of homeostasis, or in spiritual terms - balance. And you are right.. there are many do-gooders who are way too blind to see that they have bought into a dogma of goodness. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 3:52:46 GMT -5
In fact, I will place it here.
Jed is a man who has spoken truth, and has become a lie.
No one gets out of the Matrix.
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