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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2017 22:49:34 GMT -5
Peter would prefer if I lost my voice SDP. He is over worked by whingers it seems. This place is most excellently civil compared to what it used to be (but then I do not read many threads). And the unmoderated section, is unmoderated (I post there virtually zero). It really hasn't changed all that much. Just a few deck chairs shifted around is all.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 23:08:28 GMT -5
Two sides of the same coin. No, not at all. What is always present and eternal and changeless is unconditional, and not subject to disturbance. Any and all disturbance is only ever relative and temporary, and it is only what changes that is subject to disturbance. Only when "Presence" is obscured can that which is not present find itself disturbed. You see, the equanimity found in self-realization has nothing to do with being nice and polite to other peeps, but it does have everything to do with an embodied and living understanding of this point. Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 31, 2017 0:10:41 GMT -5
No, not at all. What is always present and eternal and changeless is unconditional, and not subject to disturbance. Any and all disturbance is only ever relative and temporary, and it is only what changes that is subject to disturbance. Only when "Presence" is obscured can that which is not present find itself disturbed. You see, the equanimity found in self-realization has nothing to do with being nice and polite to other peeps, but it does have everything to do with an embodied and living understanding of this point. Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. You think I was referring to an intellectual "understanding"? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 0:22:45 GMT -5
Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. You think I was referring to an intellectual "understanding"? Who knows? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 31, 2017 0:57:24 GMT -5
You think I was referring to an intellectual "understanding"? Who knows?  |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 31, 2017 8:20:10 GMT -5
No, not at all. What is always present and eternal and changeless is unconditional, and not subject to disturbance. Any and all disturbance is only ever relative and temporary, and it is only what changes that is subject to disturbance. Only when "Presence" is obscured can that which is not present find itself disturbed. You see, the equanimity found in self-realization has nothing to do with being nice and polite to other peeps, but it does have everything to do with an embodied and living understanding of this point. Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 11:02:27 GMT -5
Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. Knowing selfhood is an illusion without intellectual understanding is even more significant. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 31, 2017 11:16:37 GMT -5
Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends.
An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. Indubitably. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 31, 2017 14:10:43 GMT -5
Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. If you haven't had sex for a thousand years, when you get a simple hug from a beggar it feels like heaven. How comes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 15:26:22 GMT -5
It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. If you haven't had sex for a thousand years, when you get a simple hug from a beggar it feels like heaven. How comes? Don't know , I 'm only on year 10 so it will be a while to get back to you.  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 31, 2017 17:42:12 GMT -5
Equanimity has everything to do with no self. There's nothing to understand. It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. It's always a sincere pleasure to read these renderings, and to be honest, I can tell they reveal a depth of understanding as to the human condition as it tends to orient toward the truth based on what you've learned of others that is well beyond mine. But I disagree with this. Self-improvement is about an intent to improve the conditions that one finds around themselves and the conditioning that they individually embody. For as long as life goes on this process will continue. Along with these intentions might come the appearance of effort to follow them. All of this can happen with no question as to what forms the intention. Examples of what might improve are the appearances of the individual body and mind, and the material circumstance surrounding these. Improvement is measured relative to one's sense of conditioned human values for a better life, and the intent to improve tends to appear when those conditions are sub-optimal, such as an overweight body or one that smokes or a car that doesn't start that one can't afford to pay to have repaired. This sort of self-improvement is definitely not about becoming something, it's just about what modulates the actions that are happening one way or the other. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 31, 2017 17:43:25 GMT -5
It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. Knowing selfhood is an illusion without intellectual understanding is even more significant. The intellectual understanding is secondary, and conditional, yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 18:07:05 GMT -5
It seems to me that intellectually understanding that selfhood is an illusion, which results from SR, is highly significant. That kind of understanding puts the mind the rest. Many people start searching for the truth as an intellectual pursuit because they intuit that the conventional paradigm is somehow flawed. Various realizations inform mind that attention is usually focused upon meta-realities created/projected by mind. These realizations increase understanding and cause a shift of attention away from thoughts to "what is." Further realizations lead to greater understanding, and SR finally reveals that selfhood, as previously imagined, was imaginary. SR informs mind, and allows a human to understand The Big Picture (the forest rather than the trees). Equanimity results because Self discovers that It, alone, Is, and seeking thereby comes to an end. Any attempt at self improvement, or becoming, also ends. An ordinary person spends a majority of the day thinking thoughts; a sage spends a majority of the day attending whatever is physically happening. An ordinary person spends a great deal of time thinking about the past or the future; a sage spends most of the time being psychologically present. It's always a sincere pleasure to read these renderings, and to be honest, I can tell they reveal a depth of understanding as to the human condition as it tends to orient toward the truth based on what you've learned of others that is well beyond mine. But I disagree with this. Self-improvement is about an intent to improve the conditions that one finds around themselves and the conditioning that they individually embody. For as long as life goes on this process will continue. Along with these intentions might come the appearance of effort to follow them. All of this can happen with no question as to what forms the intention. Examples of what might improve are the appearances of the individual body and mind, and the material circumstance surrounding these. Improvement is measured relative to one's sense of conditioned human values for a better life, and the intent to improve tends to appear when those conditions are sub-optimal, such as an overweight body or one that smokes or a car that doesn't start that one can't afford to pay to have repaired. This sort of self-improvement is definitely not about becoming something, it's just about what modulates the actions that are happening one way or the other. Correcto, though I doubt that ZD is speaking to that? Just saying  |
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Post by tuart on Jan 31, 2017 20:02:40 GMT -5
Peter would prefer if I lost my voice SDP. He is over worked by whingers it seems. This place is most excellently civil compared to what it used to be (but then I do not read many threads). And the unmoderated section, is unmoderated (I post there virtually zero). I have been advised to stand at the front door, not go in so to speak. You be wise NOT to see what is going-on inside. Maybe the un-moderated section would be the best Place to start a psychotherapy thread for the Controllers here, those with the most posts? If the new comers would venture there, they would get to see the true colours of our Leaders. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 31, 2017 22:14:32 GMT -5
This place is most excellently civil compared to what it used to be (but then I do not read many threads). And the unmoderated section, is unmoderated (I post there virtually zero). I have been advised to stand at the front door, not go in so to speak. You be wise NOT to see what is going-on inside. Maybe the un-moderated section would be the best Place to start a psychotherapy thread for the Controllers here, those with the most posts? If the new comers would venture there, they would get to see the true colours of our Leaders. Who advised you to stand at the front door? What does that even mean? If you "can't get no satisfaction", I say go directly to Shawn, this web site owner. He is fair and a very smart dude. Look around some, you can figure out how to contact him. For years my major concern was with new people, people getting c**ped on and feeling forced to leave. In the past ST's forum/discussions has not been a "spiritual" site. But Truth is more important than "spiritual". Truth can/will kick you in the teeth. |
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