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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 29, 2017 12:30:08 GMT -5
What does presence mean to you? How do you know when you are present? What insures presence?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 12:31:38 GMT -5
What does presence mean to you? How do you know when you are present? What insures presence? Because you just know, that's why. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -5
What does presence mean to you? How do you know when you are present? What insures presence? Presence = opposite of absense = being in existence (compared to not being in existence as in being absent) = sat (sanskrit) = conscious noticing of being in exsitence = being alert/alert being(ness) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 13:14:12 GMT -5
What does presence mean to you? How do you know when you are present? What insures presence? Presence = opposite of absense = being in existence (compared to not being in existence as in being absent) = sat (sanskrit) = conscious noticing of being in exsitence = being alert/alert being(ness) I would argue that presence is absence. It is the absence of that which is time bound which is experience. Presence is not time bound. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 13:18:13 GMT -5
Presence = opposite of absense = being in existence (compared to not being in existence as in being absent) = sat (sanskrit) = conscious noticing of being in exsitence = being alert/alert being(ness) I would argue that presence is absence. It is the absence of that which is time bound which is experience. Presence is not time bound. No. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 13:22:14 GMT -5
Maybe also the german word can be usefull:
Anwesentheit = presense = An (on) Wesenheit (being(ness) = Being(ness) on = In manifestation in the physical realm and being aware of that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 13:34:38 GMT -5
Maybe also the german word can be usefull: Anwesentheit = presense = An (on) Wesenheit (being(ness) = Being(ness) on = In manifestation in the physical realm and being aware of that Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course. It is not possible to not be present, but when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 13:49:58 GMT -5
Maybe also the german word can be usefull: Anwesentheit = presense = An (on) Wesenheit (being(ness) = Being(ness) on = In manifestation in the physical realm and being aware of that Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course. It is not possible to not be present, but when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object. Your way of using language makes my point, Satch: Far too many assumptions. 1.) "Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course." That is an assumption. It depends on how you define an object, doesn't it? Why is being aware of an object timebound? How do you know that to be true? 2.) "It is not possible to not be present..." That is an assumption. Actually it is a belief. 3.) ..."when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object." This whole sentense is a complete load of meaningless drivel. Maybe the sanskrit translaters did a bad job in translating texts you have read. Who is/was your swami (sanskrit teacher), Satch? Just curious. This kind of using language is sloppy, belief-laden and contains a lot of assumptions. I study philosophie (eastern and western) for about 35 years by now, Satch. I'm no blondie. |
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Post by penny on Jan 29, 2017 14:10:37 GMT -5
I don't think of presence and being present as one and the same. I think of presence as being synonymous with seeing, what see's. I think of being present as more of a focus thing, the more present you are the greater your field of vision is, which ironically is the same as being less focused. Being less present is a narrow field of vision, like seeing is only seeing through thought. After having said all that I can see how the two are in some way connected. A narrow focus is definitely a useful tool in the search for truth but in another sense is the very thing that keeps us identified.
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Post by penny on Jan 29, 2017 14:19:59 GMT -5
Your way of using language makes my point, Satch: Far too many assumptions. 1.) "Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course." That is an assumption. It depends on how you define an object, doesn't it? Why is being aware of an object timebound? How do you know that to be true? 2.) "It is not possible to not be present..." That is an assumption. Actually it is a belief. 3.) ..."when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object." This whole sentense is a complete load of meaningless drivel. Maybe the sanskrit translaters did a bad job in translating texts you have read. Who is/was your swami (sanskrit teacher), Satch? Just curious. This kind of using language is sloppy, belief-laden and contains a lot of assumptions. I study philosophie (eastern and western) for about 35 years by now, Satch. I'm no blondie. To the bolded. You'll have to brace yourself with people like me then. Dig down deep to connect with your sense of patience for others.  Not only am I not a word smith but I lack the ability to express, coherently, in words much of what I think. How do you express to someone that what you've experienced is neither nothing nor something nor the absence of both? There are literally no words, so words get tortured in an attempt to express. Welcome to my brain in a blender.
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Post by tenka on Jan 29, 2017 14:34:32 GMT -5
What does presence mean to you? How do you know when you are present? What insures presence? Presence = opposite of absense = being in existence (compared to not being in existence as in being absent) = sat (sanskrit) = conscious noticing of being in exsitence = being alert/alert being(ness) Did you swallow a sanskrit dictionary? |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 15:24:08 GMT -5
Your way of using language makes my point, Satch: Far too many assumptions. 1.) "Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course." That is an assumption. It depends on how you define an object, doesn't it? Why is being aware of an object timebound? How do you know that to be true? 2.) "It is not possible to not be present..." That is an assumption. Actually it is a belief. 3.) ..."when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object." This whole sentense is a complete load of meaningless drivel. Maybe the sanskrit translaters did a bad job in translating texts you have read. Who is/was your swami (sanskrit teacher), Satch? Just curious. This kind of using language is sloppy, belief-laden and contains a lot of assumptions. I study philosophie (eastern and western) for about 35 years by now, Satch. I'm no blondie. To the bolded. You'll have to brace yourself with people like me then. Dig down deep to connect with your sense of patience for others. Not only am I not a word smith but I lack the ability to express, coherently, in words much of what I think. How do you express to someone that what you've experienced is neither nothing nor something nor the absence of both? There are literally no words, so words get tortured in an attempt to express. Welcome to my brain in a blender.  Haven'd laughted so hard since yesterday, Penny. Thanks for that one! And if you are so inclined, you might also correct my english (spelling and/or grammar), when I make mistakes. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Jan 29, 2017 15:27:58 GMT -5
Presence = opposite of absense = being in existence (compared to not being in existence as in being absent) = sat (sanskrit) = conscious noticing of being in exsitence = being alert/alert being(ness) Did you swallow a sanskrit dictionary? No, I burped it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:19:07 GMT -5
Your way of using language makes my point, Satch: Far too many assumptions. 1.) "Being aware of an object which is time bound must also be in the present of course." That is an assumption. It depends on how you define an object, doesn't it? Why is being aware of an object timebound? How do you know that to be true? 2.) "It is not possible to not be present..." That is an assumption. Actually it is a belief. 3.) ..."when we talk about presence it can only mean being aware of being aware with or without an object." This whole sentense is a complete load of meaningless drivel. Maybe the sanskrit translaters did a bad job in translating texts you have read. Who is/was your swami (sanskrit teacher), Satch? Just curious. This kind of using language is sloppy, belief-laden and contains a lot of assumptions. I study philosophie (eastern and western) for about 35 years by now, Satch. I'm no blondie. To the bolded. You'll have to brace yourself with people like me then. Dig down deep to connect with your sense of patience for others. Not only am I not a word smith but I lack the ability to express, coherently, in words much of what I think. How do you express to someone that what you've experienced is neither nothing nor something nor the absence of both? There are literally no words, so words get tortured in an attempt to express. Welcome to my brain in a blender. We are so much alike when it comes to this Penny, you said all what I did not know how to say when it comes to language good job |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 29, 2017 17:22:18 GMT -5
Maybe also the german word can be usefull: Anwesentheit = presense = An (on) Wesenheit (being(ness) = Being(ness) on = In manifestation in the physical realm and being aware of that Yes, precisely. |
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Not only am I not a word smith but I lack the ability to express, coherently, in words much of what I think. How do you express to someone that what you've experienced is neither nothing nor something nor the absence of both? There are literally no words, so words get tortured in an attempt to express. Welcome to my brain in a blender.
