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Post by enigma on Apr 8, 2016 22:06:31 GMT -5
Just shoot for a calibration of 600 and then upgrade to version 2.0. That will keep you going in the Satsang circuit until you get your Master of Enlightenment degree. That's when they start feeding you grapes and stuff.  Hmmm, sounds like a plan ..  .. but who feeds the grapes?  Oh, they have cheerleaders to do that.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2016 22:12:59 GMT -5
Hmmm, sounds like a plan .. .. but who feeds the grapes? Oh, they have cheerleaders to do that. Whoa now, wait a minute.  I was envisioning someones like Barbara Eden .. seems like standards for the squads have slipped in recent years given the equal opportunity rules and all .. you didn't mean .. I mean, did you??  |
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Post by figgles on Apr 9, 2016 0:00:55 GMT -5
Seth's definition of magic is nature unimpeded. oh, ok.  Seth said alot of cool stuff. (** hops out of hat and heads for the forest **)Some pretty "woo-woo" stuff too.  Seth- “(After death) you will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it.” “For those of you who are lazy I can offer no hope: Death will not bring you an eternal resting place. You may rest, if this is your wish, for a while. Not only must you use your abilities after death, however; but you must face up to yourself for those that you did not use during your previous existence.” (From the book: SETH SPEAKS) “As I have told you before, in a manner of speaking you are given the gifts of the gods. Your beliefs become reality. What you believe is, and becomes real in your experience. There is no area in your life to which this does not apply.” " The life of any given individual could be legitimately compared to the dream of an entity. While the individual suffers and enjoys his given number of years, these years are but a flash to the entity. The entity is concerned with them in the same way that you are concerned with your dreams, and as you obtain insight and satisfaction from them, though they involve only a portion of your life, so the entity to some extent directs and gives purpose and organization to his personalities. So does the entity obtain insights and satisfactions from its existing personalities, although no one of them takes up all of its attention. Yet none of this is meant to deny the individual, for it is the individual upon whom all else rests, and it is from the basis of the individual that all entities have their existence. Nor are the memories or emotions of an individual ever taken from him. They are always at his disposal." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 3:00:20 GMT -5
The conditioning changes based on the realization but that's time-bound, and big mo is 20th century intellects version of "karma", just without the mysticism. I know the idea of momentum is a common way of explaining the typical delay between clarity and corresponding changes in the conditioning, but I actually see no momentum, just as I see no habits. The clarity (of mind) IS the change of conditioning. The delay does happen, of course, and as far as I can tell, it's because complex belief structures need to be untangled before mind can even see the relationship between the realization and the beliefs.And it's that untangling that is acausal. |
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 9, 2016 5:31:59 GMT -5
SDP: There can be a COMPLETE disappearance of self in the pumping of gas, but that's what we call "woo woo," and that's NOT what I'm pointing to. What I'm pointing to is a flow of being where it doesn't matter whether there is thinking or an absence of thinking. It also doesn't matter whether there is a sense of selfhood or not. It's ordinary life lived without any concern whatsoever about anything existentially reflective. There's no self-checking, no second-guessing, no questioning, no effort to be psychologically present, and no effort to be anything other than what is manifesting here and now. There's no higher or lower, no path, no person doing anything, no attainment, no separation, no unity, no consciousness of consciousness, no awareness of awareness, no duality, no non-duality, etc. It's what we might call "a flow of being that includes mind but is free from mind." The car needs gas, so let go of all ideas, and just pump the gas. Just do it! LOL . I'm thinking this is the difficulty that many have with the idea of 'practical application of nondual ideas'. Aside from the fact that it's not applied ideas, the effect of realization is essentially the absence of applied ideas. Hehe
Trying to understand how an absence influences one's 'day to day living'is not only counter-intuitive to mind, but also requires the recognition of the impact of illusion/self delusion on our lives. (which is what I keep trying to point out in some very 'practical' ways) There, that's better than you trying to 'personalize' ZD's well said message.. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 9, 2016 7:53:31 GMT -5
I looked at H a little, I think that must have been D H. If I remember right, 600 is enlightenment, so 588 is cookin!  For the fellow to whom I referred, enlightenment was considered to be 1000, and it's no surprise that he considered himself, Jesus, and the Buddha to be at that level. LOL He also believed that he could determine the attainment level of people he had never met, whether living or dead. Even funnier, he often forgot what he had previously said, so the levels regularly changed from conversation to conversation. When numbers and thoughts about quantification regularly appear in thoughts about existence, it's usually a sign that the intellect is still dominant. The path to freedom lies in a different direction. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 9, 2016 8:52:30 GMT -5
SDP: There can be a COMPLETE disappearance of self in the pumping of gas, but that's what we call "woo woo," and that's NOT what I'm pointing to. What I'm pointing to is a flow of being where it doesn't matter whether there is thinking or an absence of thinking. It also doesn't matter whether there is a sense of selfhood or not. It's ordinary life lived without any concern whatsoever about anything existentially reflective. There's no self-checking, no second-guessing, no questioning, no effort to be psychologically present, and no effort to be anything other than what is manifesting here and now. There's no higher or lower, no path, no person doing anything, no attainment, no separation, no unity, no consciousness of consciousness, no awareness of awareness, no duality, no non-duality, etc. It's what we might call "a flow of being that includes mind but is free from mind." The car needs gas, so let go of all ideas, and just pump the gas. Just do it! LOL I woke up this morning, and this came to mind, it bothered me. And then it linked to other things you have said. I'm not bothered for you but for others who read this. You have the most authority of anybody here, your words have more weight. So I would ask, is the ZD who wrote this post the same as Robert when you were 20? That is, if you could go back in time to 20, are you saying you would be fine doing that? I don't mean taking the mind of ZD now, to then, I mean erase the now ZD and you're back to Robert at 20. That is, is ZD pumping gas the same as Robert at 20 pumping gas? What I'm saying is, put yourself in the position of the "student" who is reading. Whether you know it or not, in every post you are giving advice. You say, just pump gas. That's everyman on the street. Everyman on the street just pumps gas. You are saying, in the moment, I am different from no one else. Are you sure that's what you want to say. And then you are saying, and this moment is like every other moment, everything ordinary, nothing special. But of course this is what you are saying. You have said that at some point you realized there is nothing to attain, you made the journey just the realize there was no need to make the journey. For me this gives permission to anyone reading to just stop. Folks, you can just stop all this nonsense right now, you already are what's at the end of the journey, so just stop now. (I know, you also suggest, ATA-T, but like E, what you say gives permission not to ATA-T. See?) That's just fine if that's how you see it. Except there is something else, and it is very complicated because there is more to you than what you are now, that is, the possibility. If you say that what you are defines the journey, then you are using yourself as the "measuring" instrument. That's absurd. That's like T-ball where everybody gets a trophy at the end of the season. People had to have a reason to seek Gurdjieff as a teacher, he forced one to have a reason (that is, he painted you into a corner, to make you see that you had to have an aim. There can be no coercion, everything is by choice). You had to come to Gurdjieff with your own personal aim, and then Gurdjieff would test you, not openly, but secretly, individually. And he would tell you, if you don't have an aim, I can't help you. And then you might leave, many people did. He might even tell you, I cannot help you with the aim you have, and then you leave. But you might stay for a while, and fulfill your aim, then you might leave (maybe with nothing, maybe with everything). But you might stay and your aim might change. And then your changed-aim might keep you in the work or it might take you out of the work. But some people wanted to work, but could not define in words their aim, but they had a sense of seriousness, a real wish. And then Gurdjieff would say, OK, I will give you a tiny, very small aim. You can work so as, when you die, not to perish like a dog. If one just pumps gas, nothing more, this is perishing like a dog. (And in the last quote, last post, Brewster is writing (or speaking) mostly for not-new students. I hesitated when I came to hydrogen 24, and yes, you zeroed right on only that, quantification. Gurdjieff would have merely said, something else is present. This something else is what's everything, meaning, it's not always present, not always-was present). But thanks for your replies, as always. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 9, 2016 10:31:05 GMT -5
oh, ok. Seth said alot of cool stuff. (** hops out of hat and heads for the forest **)Some pretty "woo-woo" stuff too. Seth- “(After death) you will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to manipulate within the physical system with it.” “For those of you who are lazy I can offer no hope: Death will not bring you an eternal resting place. You may rest, if this is your wish, for a while. Not only must you use your abilities after death, however; but you must face up to yourself for those that you did not use during your previous existence.” (From the book: SETH SPEAKS) “As I have told you before, in a manner of speaking you are given the gifts of the gods. Your beliefs become reality. What you believe is, and becomes real in your experience. There is no area in your life to which this does not apply.” " The life of any given individual could be legitimately compared to the dream of an entity. While the individual suffers and enjoys his given number of years, these years are but a flash to the entity. The entity is concerned with them in the same way that you are concerned with your dreams, and as you obtain insight and satisfaction from them, though they involve only a portion of your life, so the entity to some extent directs and gives purpose and organization to his personalities. So does the entity obtain insights and satisfactions from its existing personalities, although no one of them takes up all of its attention. Yet none of this is meant to deny the individual, for it is the individual upon whom all else rests, and it is from the basis of the individual that all entities have their existence. Nor are the memories or emotions of an individual ever taken from him. They are always at his disposal." The thread title is subconscious hook for the interest in afterlives. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2016 10:53:35 GMT -5
Seth's definition of magic is nature unimpeded. oh, ok. Seth said alot of cool stuff. (** hops out of hat and heads for the forest **)From what I can tell so far after having read 2 books, the Seth material is basically identical with the A-H material. The difference is in wording and detail. Seth is more detailed than A-H but is lacking specialized vocabulary it seems. It's kinda funny seeing Seth talk about LOA and channeling without actually ever using the words LOA or channeling. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 9, 2016 11:12:56 GMT -5
SDP: There can be a COMPLETE disappearance of self in the pumping of gas, but that's what we call "woo woo," and that's NOT what I'm pointing to. What I'm pointing to is a flow of being where it doesn't matter whether there is thinking or an absence of thinking. It also doesn't matter whether there is a sense of selfhood or not. It's ordinary life lived without any concern whatsoever about anything existentially reflective. There's no self-checking, no second-guessing, no questioning, no effort to be psychologically present, and no effort to be anything other than what is manifesting here and now. There's no higher or lower, no path, no person doing anything, no attainment, no separation, no unity, no consciousness of consciousness, no awareness of awareness, no duality, no non-duality, etc. It's what we might call "a flow of being that includes mind but is free from mind." The car needs gas, so let go of all ideas, and just pump the gas. Just do it! LOL I woke up this morning, and this came to mind, it bothered me. And then it linked to other things you have said. I'm not bothered for you but for others who read this. You have the most authority of anybody here, your words have more weight. So I would ask, is the ZD who wrote this post the same as Robert when you were 20? That is, if you could go back in time to 20, are you saying you would be fine doing that? I don't mean taking the mind of ZD now, to then, I mean erase the now ZD and you're back to Robert at 20. That is, is ZD pumping gas the same as Robert at 20 pumping gas? What I'm saying is, put yourself in the position of the "student" who is reading. Whether you know it or not, in every post you are giving advice. You say, just pump gas. That's everyman on the street. Everyman on the street just pumps gas. You are saying, in the moment, I am different from no one else. Are you sure that's what you want to say. And then you are saying, and this moment is like every other moment, everything ordinary, nothing special. But of course this is what you are saying. You have said that at some point you realized there is nothing to attain, you made the journey just the realize there was no need to make the journey. For me this gives permission to anyone reading to just stop. Folks, you can just stop all this nonsense right now, you already are what's at the end of the journey, so just stop now. (I know, you also suggest, ATA-T, but like E, what you say gives permission not to ATA-T. See?) That's just fine if that's how you see it. Except there is something else, and it is very complicated because there is more to you than what you are now, that is, the possibility. If you say that what you are defines the journey, then you are using yourself as the "measuring" instrument. That's absurd. That's like T-ball where everybody gets a trophy at the end of the season. People had to have a reason to seek Gurdjieff as a teacher, he forced one to have a reason (that is, he painted you into a corner, to make you see that you had to have an aim. There can be no coercion, everything is by choice). You had to come to Gurdjieff with your own personal aim, and then Gurdjieff would test you, not openly, but secretly, individually. And he would tell you, if you don't have an aim, I can't help you. And then you might leave, many people did. He might even tell you, I cannot help you with the aim you have, and then you leave. But you might stay for a while, and fulfill your aim, then you might leave (maybe with nothing, maybe with everything). But you might stay and your aim might change. And then your changed-aim might keep you in the work or it might take you out of the work. But some people wanted to work, but could not define in words their aim, but they had a sense of seriousness, a real wish. And then Gurdjieff would say, OK, I will give you a tiny, very small aim. You can work so as, when you die, not to perish like a dog. If one just pumps gas, nothing more, this is perishing like a dog. (And in the last quote, last post, Brewster is writing (or speaking) mostly for not-new students. I hesitated when I came to hydrogen 24, and yes, you zeroed right on only that, quantification. Gurdjieff would have merely said, something else is present. This something else is what's everything, meaning, it's not always present, not always-was present). But thanks for your replies, as always. SDP: There is thinking, and there is too much thinking. Some people enter the spiritual path to escape suffering, some out of curiosity, some because they intuit that the conventional view of reality is somehow flawed, some because the conventional view doesn't make logical sense, and some because of an unusual experience or insight that transcended the intellect. After entering the path, there is usually a lot of thinking ABOUT the path. Quite often there is even MORE thinking than in the past. Because people are addicted to thinking rather than being (directly interacting with the world like little children), they get attached to all kinds of ideas related to spirituality and existential issues. For some people, the more they learn the further they travel AWAY from the truth because their ideas become a spiritual stumbling block. Most people on this forum are already consciously seeking transcendence, SR/TR, freedom, enlightenment, and/or peace of mind. The best thing that I can say to such people is, "You already know what you desire, so now it's time to relax, stay focused upon whatever is happening in the present moment, and perform whatever is the present task at hand. There's no need to spend any more time reflecting, comparing, judging, etc. What you're searching for is already here, and if you become sufficiently silent, you will discover it. It's time to leave all teachers and teachings behind, and trust yourself 100%. Look within; look without; and stay alert to 'what is'." I'm not telling the average person on the street to "just pump the gas!" I'm telling people who have been seeking freedom and trying to understand what's going on to "just pump the gas." I trust that sincere seekers who leave all ideas behind and put sustained attention upon what's happening here and now will discover what they're searching for. There is a time and a place for Tolle or Gurdjieff, but now is not the time. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 9, 2016 12:17:05 GMT -5
I woke up this morning, and this came to mind, it bothered me. And then it linked to other things you have said. I'm not bothered for you but for others who read this. You have the most authority of anybody here, your words have more weight. So I would ask, is the ZD who wrote this post the same as Robert when you were 20? That is, if you could go back in time to 20, are you saying you would be fine doing that? I don't mean taking the mind of ZD now, to then, I mean erase the now ZD and you're back to Robert at 20. That is, is ZD pumping gas the same as Robert at 20 pumping gas? What I'm saying is, put yourself in the position of the "student" who is reading. Whether you know it or not, in every post you are giving advice. You say, just pump gas. That's everyman on the street. Everyman on the street just pumps gas. You are saying, in the moment, I am different from no one else. Are you sure that's what you want to say. And then you are saying, and this moment is like every other moment, everything ordinary, nothing special. But of course this is what you are saying. You have said that at some point you realized there is nothing to attain, you made the journey just the realize there was no need to make the journey. For me this gives permission to anyone reading to just stop. Folks, you can just stop all this nonsense right now, you already are what's at the end of the journey, so just stop now. (I know, you also suggest, ATA-T, but like E, what you say gives permission not to ATA-T. See?) That's just fine if that's how you see it. Except there is something else, and it is very complicated because there is more to you than what you are now, that is, the possibility. If you say that what you are defines the journey, then you are using yourself as the "measuring" instrument. That's absurd. That's like T-ball where everybody gets a trophy at the end of the season. People had to have a reason to seek Gurdjieff as a teacher, he forced one to have a reason (that is, he painted you into a corner, to make you see that you had to have an aim. There can be no coercion, everything is by choice). You had to come to Gurdjieff with your own personal aim, and then Gurdjieff would test you, not openly, but secretly, individually. And he would tell you, if you don't have an aim, I can't help you. And then you might leave, many people did. He might even tell you, I cannot help you with the aim you have, and then you leave. But you might stay for a while, and fulfill your aim, then you might leave (maybe with nothing, maybe with everything). But you might stay and your aim might change. And then your changed-aim might keep you in the work or it might take you out of the work. But some people wanted to work, but could not define in words their aim, but they had a sense of seriousness, a real wish. And then Gurdjieff would say, OK, I will give you a tiny, very small aim. You can work so as, when you die, not to perish like a dog. If one just pumps gas, nothing more, this is perishing like a dog. (And in the last quote, last post, Brewster is writing (or speaking) mostly for not-new students. I hesitated when I came to hydrogen 24, and yes, you zeroed right on only that, quantification. Gurdjieff would have merely said, something else is present. This something else is what's everything, meaning, it's not always present, not always-was present). But thanks for your replies, as always. SDP: There is thinking, and there is too much thinking. Some people enter the spiritual path to escape suffering, some out of curiosity, some because they intuit that the conventional view of reality is somehow flawed, some because the conventional view doesn't make logical sense, and some because of an unusual experience or insight that transcended the intellect. After entering the path, there is usually a lot of thinking ABOUT the path. Quite often there is even MORE thinking than in the past. Because people are addicted to thinking rather than being (directly interacting with the world like little children), they get attached to all kinds of ideas related to spirituality and existential issues. For some people, the more they learn the further they travel AWAY from the truth because their ideas become a spiritual stumbling block. Most people on this forum are already consciously seeking transcendence, SR/TR, freedom, enlightenment, and/or peace of mind. The best thing that I can say to such people is, "You already know what you desire, so now it's time to relax, stay focused upon whatever is happening in the present moment, and perform whatever is the present task at hand. There's no need to spend any more time reflecting, comparing, judging, etc. What you're searching for is already here, and if you become sufficiently silent, you will discover it. It's time to leave all teachers and teachings behind, and trust yourself 100%. Look within; look without; and stay alert to 'what is'." I'm not telling the average person on the street to "just pump the gas!" I'm telling people who have been seeking freedom and trying to understand what's going on to "just pump the gas." I trust that sincere seekers who leave all ideas behind and put sustained attention upon what's happening here and now will discover what they're searching for. There is a time and a place for Tolle or Gurdjieff, but now is not the time. But the underlined is not the same as the bold [If you fill the "mind" with the bold, there is not "room" for thought]. (And Gurdjieff went to great pains to make the teaching central, not he himself). But I will not belabor the point(s). Thanks. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 9, 2016 12:20:11 GMT -5
I woke up this morning, and this came to mind, it bothered me. And then it linked to other things you have said. I'm not bothered for you but for others who read this. You have the most authority of anybody here, your words have more weight. So I would ask, is the ZD who wrote this post the same as Robert when you were 20? That is, if you could go back in time to 20, are you saying you would be fine doing that? I don't mean taking the mind of ZD now, to then, I mean erase the now ZD and you're back to Robert at 20. That is, is ZD pumping gas the same as Robert at 20 pumping gas? What I'm saying is, put yourself in the position of the "student" who is reading. Whether you know it or not, in every post you are giving advice. You say, just pump gas. That's everyman on the street. Everyman on the street just pumps gas. You are saying, in the moment, I am different from no one else. Are you sure that's what you want to say. And then you are saying, and this moment is like every other moment, everything ordinary, nothing special. But of course this is what you are saying. You have said that at some point you realized there is nothing to attain, you made the journey just the realize there was no need to make the journey. For me this gives permission to anyone reading to just stop. Folks, you can just stop all this nonsense right now, you already are what's at the end of the journey, so just stop now. (I know, you also suggest, ATA-T, but like E, what you say gives permission not to ATA-T. See?) That's just fine if that's how you see it. Except there is something else, and it is very complicated because there is more to you than what you are now, that is, the possibility. If you say that what you are defines the journey, then you are using yourself as the "measuring" instrument. That's absurd. That's like T-ball where everybody gets a trophy at the end of the season. People had to have a reason to seek Gurdjieff as a teacher, he forced one to have a reason (that is, he painted you into a corner, to make you see that you had to have an aim. There can be no coercion, everything is by choice). You had to come to Gurdjieff with your own personal aim, and then Gurdjieff would test you, not openly, but secretly, individually. And he would tell you, if you don't have an aim, I can't help you. And then you might leave, many people did. He might even tell you, I cannot help you with the aim you have, and then you leave. But you might stay for a while, and fulfill your aim, then you might leave (maybe with nothing, maybe with everything). But you might stay and your aim might change. And then your changed-aim might keep you in the work or it might take you out of the work. But some people wanted to work, but could not define in words their aim, but they had a sense of seriousness, a real wish. And then Gurdjieff would say, OK, I will give you a tiny, very small aim. You can work so as, when you die, not to perish like a dog. If one just pumps gas, nothing more, this is perishing like a dog. (And in the last quote, last post, Brewster is writing (or speaking) mostly for not-new students. I hesitated when I came to hydrogen 24, and yes, you zeroed right on only that, quantification. Gurdjieff would have merely said, something else is present. This something else is what's everything, meaning, it's not always present, not always-was present). But thanks for your replies, as always. SDP: There is thinking, and there is too much thinking. Some people enter the spiritual path to escape suffering, some out of curiosity, some because they intuit that the conventional view of reality is somehow flawed, some because the conventional view doesn't make logical sense, and some because of an unusual experience or insight that transcended the intellect. After entering the path, there is usually a lot of thinking ABOUT the path. Quite often there is even MORE thinking than in the past. Because people are addicted to thinking rather than being (directly interacting with the world like little children), they get attached to all kinds of ideas related to spirituality and existential issues. For some people, the more they learn the further they travel AWAY from the truth because their ideas become a spiritual stumbling block. Most people on this forum are already consciously seeking transcendence, SR/TR, freedom, enlightenment, and/or peace of mind. The best thing that I can say to such people is, "You already know what you desire, so now it's time to relax, stay focused upon whatever is happening in the present moment, and perform whatever is the present task at hand. There's no need to spend any more time reflecting, comparing, judging, etc. What you're searching for is already here, and if you become sufficiently silent, you will discover it. It's time to leave all teachers and teachings behind, and trust yourself 100%. Look within; look without; and stay alert to 'what is'." I'm not telling the average person on the street to "just pump the gas!" I'm telling people who have been seeking freedom and trying to understand what's going on to "just pump the gas." I trust that sincere seekers who leave all ideas behind and put sustained attention upon what's happening here and now will discover what they're searching for. There is a time and a place for Tolle or Gurdjieff, but now is not the time. How 'bout kung fu guy from the '70's do we gotta' burn all his wisdom too?  'cause that's like a no go for me, nuh-uh.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 9, 2016 12:35:53 GMT -5
SDP: There is thinking, and there is too much thinking. Some people enter the spiritual path to escape suffering, some out of curiosity, some because they intuit that the conventional view of reality is somehow flawed, some because the conventional view doesn't make logical sense, and some because of an unusual experience or insight that transcended the intellect. After entering the path, there is usually a lot of thinking ABOUT the path. Quite often there is even MORE thinking than in the past. Because people are addicted to thinking rather than being (directly interacting with the world like little children), they get attached to all kinds of ideas related to spirituality and existential issues. For some people, the more they learn the further they travel AWAY from the truth because their ideas become a spiritual stumbling block. Most people on this forum are already consciously seeking transcendence, SR/TR, freedom, enlightenment, and/or peace of mind. The best thing that I can say to such people is, "You already know what you desire, so now it's time to relax, stay focused upon whatever is happening in the present moment, and perform whatever is the present task at hand. There's no need to spend any more time reflecting, comparing, judging, etc. What you're searching for is already here, and if you become sufficiently silent, you will discover it. It's time to leave all teachers and teachings behind, and trust yourself 100%. Look within; look without; and stay alert to 'what is'." I'm not telling the average person on the street to "just pump the gas!" I'm telling people who have been seeking freedom and trying to understand what's going on to "just pump the gas." I trust that sincere seekers who leave all ideas behind and put sustained attention upon what's happening here and now will discover what they're searching for. There is a time and a place for Tolle or Gurdjieff, but now is not the time. How 'bout kung fu guy from the '70's do we gotta' burn all his wisdom too? 'cause that's like a no go for me, nuh-uh. When you can snatch the pebble from my hand, then you can leave.   |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 9, 2016 12:50:48 GMT -5
SDP: You wrote, "But the underlined is not the same as the bold [If you fill the "mind" with the bold, there is not "room" for thought]."
The underlined IS THE SAME as the bold. What I'm pointing to is NOT filling the mind with the bold or anything else; it is just pumping gas. There's no trying to do anything; all actions remain simple and empty. By relaxing into being what you already are, without trying to get something, realizations will occur that will inform mind. Everything has already been set in motion by the search, so, in a sense, you are surrendering to reality in whatever way it presents itself.
Gurdjieff, Rose, and many other teachers have developed complex cosmologies and explanations, but I'm suggesting letting go of all that in favor of something simpler and more obvious. No levels, no evolution, no development, no movement at all. As Silence once said, "This. Is. It." As someone else once said, "What you already are is what you're looking for." As Seng Sten said, "Make one distinction, and heaven and earth are set infinitely far apart."
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Post by tenka on Apr 9, 2016 14:08:37 GMT -5
SDP: You wrote, "But the underlined is not the same as the bold [If you fill the "mind" with the bold, there is not "room" for thought]." The underlined IS THE SAME as the bold. What I'm pointing to is NOT filling the mind with the bold or anything else; it is just pumping gas. There's no trying to do anything; all actions remain simple and empty. By relaxing into being what you already are, without trying to get something, realizations will occur that will inform mind. Everything has already been set in motion by the search, so, in a sense, you are surrendering to reality in whatever way it presents itself. Gurdjieff, Rose, and many other teachers have developed complex cosmologies and explanations, but I'm suggesting letting go of all that in favor of something simpler and more obvious. No levels, no evolution, no development, no movement at all. As Silence once said, "This. Is. It." As someone else once said, "What you already are is what you're looking for." As Seng Sten said, "Make one distinction, and heaven and earth are set infinitely far apart." The thing is though Z.D. is that one is pumping gas for a reason .... There is already association in effect otherwise one would not be pumping gas . I understand what you mean in regards to remaining simple and empty, butt how many peeps are pumping gas and evaluating whom or what is pumping gas lols at the time of pumping gas ... As said the association and the fine details have already been ascertained prior to the potential complexities that you have pointed out . |
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Seth said alot of cool stuff. (** hops out of hat and heads for the forest **)
