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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2023 14:34:09 GMT -5
"For an exercise, then, imagine for a while that the subjective world of your thoughts, feelings, inner images and fantasies represent the “rockbed reality” from which individual physical events emerge. Look at the world for a change from the inside out, so to speak. Imagine that physical experience is somehow the materialization of your own subjective reality. Forget what you have learned about reactions and stimuli. Ignore for a time everything you have believed and see your thoughts as the real events. Try to view normal physical occurrences as the concrete physical reactions in space and time to your own feelings and beliefs. For indeed your subjective world causes your physical experience.
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Even those of you who intellectually agree that you form your own reality find it difficult to accept emotionally in certain areas. You are, of course, literally hypnotized into believing that your feelings arise in response to events. Your feelings, however, cause the events you perceive. Secondarily, you do of course then react to those events.
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As long as you believe that either good events or bad ones are meted out by a personified God as the reward or punishment for your actions, or on the other hand that events are largely meaningless, chaotic, subjective knots in the tangled web of an accidental Darwinian world, then you cannot consciously understand your own creativity, or play the role in the universe that you are capable of playing as individuals or as a species. You will instead live in a world where events happen to you, in which you must do sacrifice to the gods of one kind or another, or see yourselves as victims of an uncaring nature."
—NoME Part Two: Framework 1 and Framework 2
Chapter 5: The Mechanics of Experience: Session 830, March 27, 1978
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2023 17:37:45 GMT -5
"Mystic enlightenment does not see an enemy, however, and there is no need for arrogance, attack, or self-justification."
—NoPR Part Two: Chapter 17: Session 661, May 7, 1973
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2023 17:56:48 GMT -5
"You can project your dilemmas or your abilities outward into other avenues of activity, then, but until you realize that you form your reality and that your power resides in the moment, you will not be able to solve your problems nor utilize your strengths properly."
—NoPR Part Two: Chapter 17: Session 661, May 7, 1973
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 1:32:19 GMT -5
I'm working my way to the end of "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul" which is just... well it's like a life handbook really; I feel like I'm internally going "yes, that's how it is" for every chapter. Which does concern me a little that I'm not being sufficiently discerning, but long story short, I'm really resonating with the material. I was looking to see if there was some sort of Seth Study Group meeting in the UK but I didn't find one. There does seem to be activity in the US, but not over here. So if anyone is aware of such a group or would like to discuss directly, please do let me know. Thanks! I've been reading "The Way Toward Health" and "The Magical Approach" again and while these are both excellent books, I couldn't help but notice how Seth makes everything unnecessarily complicated, overly technical and abstract and - in comparison to the A-H material - how distorted the entire Seth material actually is. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 18, 2023 2:54:32 GMT -5
"Now: a footnote to our [private] session of last night. Ruburt was correct: Lives are simultaneous. You can live more than one life at a time — in your terms now — but that is a loaded sentence. You are neurologically tuned in to one particular field of actuality that you recognize. In your terms and from your viewpoint only, messages from other existences live within you as ghost images within the cells, for the cells recognize more than you do on a conscious level. That is, for a brief time, Joseph (Rob) was consciously able to perceive a portion of another existence.
You could not be consciously aware of those other realities all of the time, and deal with the world that you know. You have several time and space tracks in operation at once, then, but you acknowledge only certain neurological messages physically. Yet there is more to the body than you perceive of it, and this is difficult to explain to you … If you can think of a multidimensional body existing at one time in various realities, and appearing differently within each one while still being whole, then you can get some glimpse of what is involved."
—UR2 Appendix 21: (For Session 721)
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Post by inavalan on Feb 18, 2023 3:06:24 GMT -5
"Now in your terms only, these other counterparts are like latent patterns within your mind. Echoes. How many of you have actually thought of what the unconscious may be? Or, the voices that you hear within your mind or heart? Are they yours? To what counterparts do they belong? And yet each of you, in your own identity, has the right to do precisely as you wish, to form your own reality …
I will give you an example. There is a member of the class – and I will close my innocent eyes so that I do not give the secret away – but there is a class member who is indeed a fine Jesuit, handling problems of great weight, having to do with the nature of religion. There is a renegade priest who has been in this class, and who ran off to California; he likes to put the boot to theology and “do his own thing”. There is also an extremely devout woman who lives in England. All of these counterparts are dealing with the nature of religion. They are experiencing versions of religion because it interests them.
[Each of] you will create the attributes of reality that interest you and work with them in your own way. If you want to study the nature of religion and do a good job of it, then you must be among other things a skeptic and a believer, and an Indian and a Jew, say. Otherwise you will not understand anything at all, and have a lopsided picture. And you cannot know what it is to be black in this culture – you may not agree here – unless you are also white in it … Now I return you to yourselves and to your counterparts."
—UR2 Appendix 21: (For Session 721)
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Post by inavalan on Apr 5, 2023 2:53:05 GMT -5
"Any investigation of the basic inner universe, which is the only real universe, must be done as much as possible from a point outside your own distortions, but the only way open for you to escape the distortions of your own physical universe is to journey inward. To get outside your own universe, you must travel inward, and this represents the only perspective free of distortive elements, from which valid experimentation can be carried on. Your so-called scientific, so-called objective experiments can continue for an eternity, but they only probe further and further with camouflage instruments into a camouflage universe.
The subconscious, it is true, has elements of its own distortions, but these are easier to escape than the tons of distortive camouflage atmosphere that weigh your scientific experiments down."
—TES2 Session 45 April 20, 1964
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Post by inavalan on Apr 5, 2023 2:57:47 GMT -5
"Hypnotism will become more and more a tool of scientific investigation. Telepathy will be proven without a doubt, and utilized, sadly enough in the beginning, for purposes of war and intrigue. Nevertheless telepathy will enable your race to make its first contact with alien intelligence. It will not at first be recognized as such."
—TES2 Session 45 April 20, 1964
"As to the means, the very simplest and crudest but still to be adopted method will prove to be hypnotism, simply because at this point your personalities will not trust their own abilities but must rely upon suggestion from the outside."
—TES2 Session 45 April 20, 1964
"Hypnotism is important merely as a tool to release the conscious personality from the camouflage inhibitions. It then allows knowledge to rise up. In ordinary circumstances the conscious self deals mainly with camouflage existence. This is after all primarily its purpose.
However, when it is enabled to let go its preoccupation with the camouflage universe, it can receive and be aware of data received by the inner senses. Such data does not have to be retained on a subconscious level. The conscious personality can be trained to receive, interpret and retain such knowledge. Otherwise such knowledge would be relatively without value in your camouflage universe.
Hypnotism then is one tool to enable the conscious personality to divest itself of its concentrated focus upon outer camouflage, and to enable it to focus instead upon the inner self. The main rule here is merely a change of focus. Knowledge of the basic universe can be achieved, interpreted and retained by your scientists in ways that I will at first outline, and then cover more completely.
Hypnotism is a safer method to begin with than drugs, but hypnotism itself is not necessary if there is an inner willingness to explore the inner universe. The main barrier is the ego's fear of being subjugated, even as it fears subjugation imagined in death. If the ego can be made to understand that inner awareness, exploration and investigation will actually enlarge its scope of awareness there will be little difficulty.
It may be necessary in the beginning to induce more or less complete amnesia, but this should be avoided. Through constant practice with hypnotism your scientists will discover that it is possible, and definitely beneficial, to allow the conscious ego to retain its memory. Since there is no real division between the ego and the subconscious, the knowledge of the ego and the knowledge of the subconscious are merged in any case. But to be truly effective there should be no attempt to hide subconscious knowledge from the ego.
I realize that hypnotism will be utilized first. Nevertheless progress could be quickened if persons who did not need hypnotism to divest themselves of outer focus were used in scientific experiments.
With practice the personal distortive layers of subconscious material could be recognized without difficulty, and even these will give you valuable insights into psychological mechanisms."
—TES2 Session 45 April 20, 1964
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Post by inavalan on Apr 7, 2023 1:13:20 GMT -5
"Computers, however grand and complicated, cannot dream, and so for all of their incredible banks of information, they must lack the kind of unspoken knowing knowledge that the smallest plant or seed possesses. Nor can any amount of information “possessed” or processed by any computer compare with the unspoken knowing knowledge that is possessed by the atoms and molecules that compose such an instrument. The computer is not equipped to perceive that kind of knowing. It is not equipped for such an endeavor because it cannot dream. In dreams the innate knowledge of the atoms and molecules is combined and translated. It serves as the bed of perceptual information and knowledge from which the dreaming state arises in its physical form."
—DEaVF1 Chapter 4: Session 898, January 30, 1980
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Post by laughter on Apr 7, 2023 8:13:29 GMT -5
" Computers, however grand and complicated, cannot dream, and so for all of their incredible banks of information, they must lack the kind of unspoken knowing knowledge that the smallest plant or seed possesses. Nor can any amount of information “possessed” or processed by any computer compare with the unspoken knowing knowledge that is possessed by the atoms and molecules that compose such an instrument. The computer is not equipped to perceive that kind of knowing. It is not equipped for such an endeavor because it cannot dream. In dreams the innate knowledge of the atoms and molecules is combined and translated. It serves as the bed of perceptual information and knowledge from which the dreaming state arises in its physical form." —DEaVF1 Chapter 4: Session 898, January 30, 1980 I wrote a backprop implementation in C back in the early 90's. You increase the probability of convergence on an initial training set if you initialize the weights randomly to start. Training a network is very much like dreaming. For the network. The incorrect answers it gives before convergence are like the utterances of someone still half asleep. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Apr 7, 2023 10:45:26 GMT -5
" Computers, however grand and complicated, cannot dream, and so for all of their incredible banks of information, they must lack the kind of unspoken knowing knowledge that the smallest plant or seed possesses. Nor can any amount of information “possessed” or processed by any computer compare with the unspoken knowing knowledge that is possessed by the atoms and molecules that compose such an instrument. The computer is not equipped to perceive that kind of knowing. It is not equipped for such an endeavor because it cannot dream. In dreams the innate knowledge of the atoms and molecules is combined and translated. It serves as the bed of perceptual information and knowledge from which the dreaming state arises in its physical form." —DEaVF1 Chapter 4: Session 898, January 30, 1980 I wrote a backprop implementation in C back in the early 90's. You increase the probability of convergence on an initial training set if you initialize the weights randomly to start. Training a network is very much like dreaming. For the network. The incorrect answers it gives before convergence are like the utterances of someone still half asleep. Interesting. |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 7, 2023 13:36:34 GMT -5
" Computers, however grand and complicated, cannot dream, and so for all of their incredible banks of information, they must lack the kind of unspoken knowing knowledge that the smallest plant or seed possesses. Nor can any amount of information “possessed” or processed by any computer compare with the unspoken knowing knowledge that is possessed by the atoms and molecules that compose such an instrument. The computer is not equipped to perceive that kind of knowing. It is not equipped for such an endeavor because it cannot dream. In dreams the innate knowledge of the atoms and molecules is combined and translated. It serves as the bed of perceptual information and knowledge from which the dreaming state arises in its physical form." —DEaVF1 Chapter 4: Session 898, January 30, 1980 I wrote a backprop implementation in C back in the early 90's. You increase the probability of convergence on an initial training set if you initialize the weights randomly to start. Training a network is very much like dreaming. For the network. The incorrect answers it gives before convergence are like the utterances of someone still half asleep. Obviously, you don't know what dreaming is. |
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Post by inavalan on Apr 7, 2023 13:43:03 GMT -5
I wrote a backprop implementation in C back in the early 90's. You increase the probability of convergence on an initial training set if you initialize the weights randomly to start. Training a network is very much like dreaming. For the network. The incorrect answers it gives before convergence are like the utterances of someone still half asleep. Interesting. Nothing random can increase convergence! Surely dreams aren't random. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2023 11:31:08 GMT -5
I wrote a backprop implementation in C back in the early 90's. You increase the probability of convergence on an initial training set if you initialize the weights randomly to start. Training a network is very much like dreaming. For the network. The incorrect answers it gives before convergence are like the utterances of someone still half asleep. Obviously, you don't know what dreaming is.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2023 11:36:25 GMT -5
Nothing random can increase convergenceSurely dreams aren't random.  |
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