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Post by inavalan on Dec 17, 2022 0:41:15 GMT -5
"You see, dear Joseph, the subconscious and the ego, of course, are both you. For simplicity’s sake I will speak of the ego and the subconscious, though they are actually one. The subconscious forms and projects the materializations of the ego as a tool to enable it to attain its goals. When these goals and talents are attributed to the ego alone they are so to speak decapitated.
Your own subconscious is the fountain of your individuality and personality. From it springs your talent. When the ego becomes too concerned with daily matters, with worry in other words, then the works of the tool become clogged. It becomes ineffective. Dissociation, and I will give you many ways of achieving it, unclogs the tool and is absolutely necessary. The freely working subconscious, or the inner you, is completely capable of taking care of all practical considerations, and will use the ego as a tool to see that this is done.
Dissociation puts the power back where it belongs. Ruburt’s seemingly impractical suggestions in the past have been much more practical than some of your intellectual so-called practical conclusions. At the time Ruburt felt intuitively the importance of dissociation but didn’t know how to achieve it.
A trip of course was the easiest method and Ruburt hit upon it. Daily methods of dissociation are extremely practical and beneficial. You will notice within a few week’s time, if not sooner, an added energy. So-called impulses on your part are often quelled because your ego finds them impractical. The subconscious knows its own meat and sauce, and the best means for its own nourishment.
Begin the yoga exercises and follow them faithfully. Your few experiences with autosuggestion upon falling asleep have been ego-bound. Think of this in terms of muscle-bound and you will see what I mean. Be in a drowsy state and suggest, Ruburt, suggest, Joseph; do not attempt to bully or command the subconscious. Suggestions are all that are needed. Your love of nature, Joseph, and Ruburt your love of nature, is another method of dissociation, or can be if you use it as such.
Dissociation actually is a stronger unity with the creative aspects of your personality. It puts you back, or it puts your creative talents back, in the driver’s seat. As yet you have no idea how strong you are.
You will find the above-mentioned exercises more beneficial than you imagined."
--- TES1 #17
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Post by inavalan on Dec 20, 2022 15:36:35 GMT -5
This seems to point to Christ being an entity, more evolved than Seth, while Jesus being his Jane.
I never thought about it this way. I assumed that Jesus was a more evolved personality, but it seemed he was also the channel for the Christ entity.
From this perspective, it makes much more sense what Seth was saying about Christ being not one, but multiple humans over history, three recognized, others not.
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Post by inavalan on Dec 25, 2022 2:16:53 GMT -5
"“Love your neighbor as yourself.” Turn this around and say, “Love yourself as you love your neighbor,” for often you will recognize the goodness in another and ignore it in yourself. Some people believe there is a great merit and holy virtue in what they think of as humility. Therefore to be proud of oneself seems a sin, and in that frame of reference true affirmation of the self is impossible. Genuine self-pride is the loving recognition of your own integrity and value. True humility is based upon this affectionate regard for yourself, plus the recognition that you live in a universe in which all other beings also possess this undeniable individuality and self-worth.
False humility tells you that you are nothing. It often hides a distorted, puffed-up, denied self-pride, because no man or woman can really accept a theory that denies personal self-worth.
Fake humility can cause you to tear down the value of others, because if you accept no worth in yourself you cannot see it in anyone else either. True self-pride allows you to perceive the integrity of your fellow human beings and permits you to help them use their strengths. Many people make a great show out of helping others, for example, encouraging them to lean upon them. They believe this to be a quite holy, virtuous enterprise. Instead they are keeping other people from recognizing and using their own strengths and abilities.
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Now: There is nothing more pompous than false humility."
—NoPR Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 674, July 2, 1973
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Post by Peter on Jan 3, 2023 13:11:56 GMT -5
I'm working my way to the end of "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul" which is just... well it's like a life handbook really; I feel like I'm internally going "yes, that's how it is" for every chapter. Which does concern me a little that I'm not being sufficiently discerning, but long story short, I'm really resonating with the material.
I was looking to see if there was some sort of Seth Study Group meeting in the UK but I didn't find one. There does seem to be activity in the US, but not over here.
So if anyone is aware of such a group or would like to discuss directly, please do let me know. Thanks!
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Post by inavalan on Jan 3, 2023 13:59:45 GMT -5
I'm working my way to the end of "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul" which is just... well it's like a life handbook really; I feel like I'm internally going "yes, that's how it is" for every chapter. Which does concern me a little that I'm not being sufficiently discerning, but long story short, I'm really resonating with the material. I was looking to see if there was some sort of Seth Study Group meeting in the UK but I didn't find one. There does seem to be activity in the US, but not over here. So if anyone is aware of such a group or would like to discuss directly, please do let me know. Thanks! I don't know if you're aware of Christopher's “Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts) I recommend it. Although it can be stimulative to discuss with others about Seth, in my opinion it is important to keep in mind that we all read the same thing, but understand it through the filters of our beliefs, and according to our level and needs of evolvement. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 3, 2023 15:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Jan 4, 2023 4:25:49 GMT -5
I'm working my way to the end of "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul" which is just... well it's like a life handbook really; I feel like I'm internally going "yes, that's how it is" for every chapter. Which does concern me a little that I'm not being sufficiently discerning, but long story short, I'm really resonating with the material.I was looking to see if there was some sort of Seth Study Group meeting in the UK but I didn't find one. There does seem to be activity in the US, but not over here. So if anyone is aware of such a group or would like to discuss directly, please do let me know. Thanks!  Well, if you like, we can create a Seth study group here. There are several members who are familiar with the Seth material already. Just name the book you want to discuss and we can go thru it together, chapter by chapter. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 5, 2023 21:03:32 GMT -5
"The subject matter of suffering is certainly vitally connected to the subject at hand, but basically speaking, disease and suffering are not necessarily connected. Suffering and death are not necessarily connected either. The sensations of suffering, and the pain, do exist. Some are indeed quite natural reactions, and others are learned reactions to certain events. Walking barefoot on a bed of fire would most likely cause most of you, my readers, to feel the most acute pain — while in some primitive societies, under certain conditions the same situation could result instead in feelings of ecstasy or joy. We want to discuss “ disease” as it exists apart from suffering for now, then. Then we will discuss pain and suffering and their implications. I do want to mention, however, that pain and suffering are also obviously vital, living sensations — and therefore are a part of the body’s repertoire of possible feelings and sensual experience. They are also a sign, therefore, of life’s vitality, and are in themselves often responsible for a return to health when they act as learning communications. (Long pause.) Pain, therefore, by being unpleasant, stimulates the individual to rid himself or herself of it, and thereby often promotes a return to the state of health." —WTH Part One: Chapter 6: April 20, 1984 link |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 5, 2023 21:19:11 GMT -5
"Illness and suffering are not thrust upon you by God, or by All That Is, or by an outside agency. They are by-products of the learning process, created by you, in themselves quite neutral. On the other hand, your existence itself, the reality and nature of your planet, the whole existence in which you have these experiences, are also created by you, using the abilities of which I have spoken.
Illness and suffering are the results of the misdirection of creative energy. They are a part of the creative force, however. They do not come from a different source than, say, health and vitality. Suffering is not good for the soul, unless it teaches you how to stop suffering. That is its purpose."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 20: Session 580, April 12, 1971
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Post by inavalan on Jan 9, 2023 14:28:44 GMT -5
From Session 610 for June 7, 1972: - "You always know what you are doing, even when you do not realize it. Your eye knows it sees, though it cannot see itself except through the use of reflection. In the same way the world as you see it is a reflection of what you are, a reflection not in glass but in three-dimensional reality. You project your thoughts, feelings, and expectations outward, then you perceive them as the outside reality. When it seems to you that others are observing you, you are observing yourself from the standpoint of your own projections."
And from Session 613 for September 11, 1972: - "Interactions with others do occur, of course, yet there are none that you do not accept or draw to you by your thoughts, attitudes, or emotions. This applies in each area of life. In your terms, it applies both before life and after it. In the most miraculous fashion you are given the gift of creating your experience."
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Post by inavalan on Jan 9, 2023 14:30:18 GMT -5
"You cannot collect data—and you collect it, both of you—that points out man's stupidities, and then demand that you personally go against what you think of as man's ingrained idiocy. This provides you with a tremendous artificial task."
—TPS3 Session 799 (Deleted Portion) March 28, 1977
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Post by inavalan on Jan 20, 2023 2:25:13 GMT -5
The "Death" Experience #535, 536, 537
"Death" Conditions In Life #538, 539, 540
After-Death Choices And The Mechanics Of Transition #540, 546, 547
Reincarnational Relationships #550, 551
Reincarnation, Dreams, and the Hidden Male and Female Within the Self #555, 556, 557
--- all from "Seth Speaks"
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Post by inavalan on Jan 20, 2023 22:55:31 GMT -5
"Illness is often the result of ignorance and lazy mental habits"
—SS Part Two: Chapter 12: Session 551, September 30, 1970
This sounds like the recent discussion about some gurus' experiencing illness unjustified by their lifestyle, and seems in line with Bernhard Kutzler's hypothesis that mental growth stagnation may lead to cancer, obesity, excessive sensorimotor activities.
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Post by inavalan on Jan 22, 2023 16:10:46 GMT -5
- "Now these efforts go on whether you wake or sleep. Once you are aware of these activities, however, it is possible to catch yourself in various stages of consciousness, and even at times to follow your own progress, particularly through dream states. Your body is your most intimate symbol at this point, and again your most obvious.
- You will use the idea of a body in most stages of consciousness. When you leave your physical body in any kind of out-of-body experience, you actually leave it in another that is only slightly less physical. This in turn is “later” discarded for one still less physical, but the idea of the form is so important a symbol that you carry it through all of your religious literature, and stories of hereafter.
- At one point it will vanish with the other symbols. Now there was a time, speaking in your terms, before the making of symbols; a time so divorced from your idea of reality that only in the most protected areas of sleep does any memory of it ever return. It seems to you that without symbols there would be nonbeing, but this is a natural enough deductions since you are so symbol-oriented.
- Those stages of consciousness that occur after death still all deal with symbols, though there is much greater freedom in their use, and greater understanding of their meaning. But in higher stages of consciousness, the symbols are no longer necessary, and creativity takes place completely without their use.
- Obviously you cannot become aware of that stage of consciousness now, but you can keep track of the way symbols appear to you in both waking life and the dream state, and learn to connect them with the feelings they represent. You will learn that certain symbols will appear personally to you at various stages of consciousness, and these can serve as points of recognition in your own explorations.
- When Ruburt is about to leave his body from the dream state for example, he will often find himself in a strange house or apartment that offers opportunities for exploration.
- The houses or apartments will always be different, and yet the symbol is always a signpost that he has reached a particular point of consciousness, and is ready to enter another state of consciousness. Each of you will have certain symbols that serve the same kind of purpose, highly individual to you. Unless you make an effort at self-exploration, however, these symbolic guideposts will make no conscious sense."
- —SS Part Two: Chapter 18: Session 571, March 3, 1971
I experience such a house with multiple levels, rooms, doors, almost every time I go to sleep in the first 15 or 30 minutes. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 26, 2023 2:42:28 GMT -5
"Often you visit such areas of consciousness in the dream state where you fall into them spontaneously, remembering in the morning a fantastic dream. Consciousness must use all of its parts and activities, even as the body must. When you are sleeping, therefore, your consciousness turns itself in many of these directions, often perceiving, willy-nilly, bits and pieces of reality that are available to it at its different stages. This also happens beneath your normal physical focus to some extent, even as you go about your waking activities. The alternate presents of which I spoke are not simply alternate methods of perceiving one objective present. There are many alternate presents, with you focused only in one of them.
When you let your attention waver, however, you may often fall into a state in which you momentarily perceive glimpses of another alternate present. The whole self, the soul, knows of its reality in all such systems, and you, as a part of it, are working toward the same state of self-awareness and development.
When you are proficient you will not be swept willy-nilly into other stages of consciousness as you sleep, but will be able to understand and direct these activities. Consciousness is an attribute of the soul, a tool that can be turned in many directions. You are not your consciousness. It is something that belongs to you and to the soul. You are learning to use it. To the extent that you understand and utilize the various aspects of consciousness, you will learn to understand your own reality, and the conscious self will truly become conscious.
You will be able to perceive physical reality because you want to, knowing it to be one of many realities. You will not be forced to perceive it alone, out of ignorance."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 19: Session 575, March 24, 1971
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