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Post by zin on Feb 16, 2018 20:00:39 GMT -5
Mankind is a species that specializes in the use of the imagination, and without the imagination language would be unnecessary. Man from his particular vantage point imagines images and events that are not before his eyes. The applied use of the imagination is one of the most distinguishing marks of your species, and the imagination is your connection between the inner worlds of reality and the exterior world of your experience. It connects your emotions and your reason. All species are interconnected, so, as I said earlier, when you think you think for yourselves, you also specialize in thinking for the rest of nature, which physically sustains you. (914)
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When You Are Who You Are. The Worlds of Imagination and Reason, and the Implied Universe
When you are determines where you are. Space is in many ways more 'timely' than you think. I am not speaking of the usual time concepts, of course, of consecutive moments, but of a certain dimension of activity in which your space happens.
As long as we are trying to explain the origin of your world in a new fashion, we will be bringing in many subjects that may not usually appear in such discussions. The world as you know it emerges from an inner, more extensive sphere of dimensions into actuality. It is supported then by a seemingly invisible framework. Beyond certain levels it is almost meaningless to speak in terms of particles, but I will for now use the term 'invisible particles' because you are familiar with it. Invisible particles, then, form the foundation of your world. The invisible particles that I am referring to, however, have the ability to transform themselves into mass, or to divest themselves of it. And the invisible particles of which I speak not only possess consciousness — but each one is, if you will, a seed that contains within itself a potential for an infinite number of gestalts. Each such invisible particle contains within itself the potential to embark upon an infinite number of probable variations of consciousness. To that degree such psychological particles are at that stage unspecialized, while they contain within themselves the innate ability to specialize in whatever direction becomes suitable.
They can be, and they are, everywhere at once. Sometimes they operate with mass and sometimes without it. Now you are composed of such invisible particles, and so is everything else that you can physically perceive. To that degree —to that degree— portions of your own consciousness are everywhere at once. They are not lost, or spread out in some generalized fashion, but acutely responsive, and as highly alert as your familiar consciousness is now.
The self that you are aware of represents only one 'position' in which those invisible particles happen to intersect, gain mass, build up form. Scientists can only perceive an electron as it is to them. They cannot really track it. They cannot be certain of its position and its speed at the same time, and to some extent the same applies to your consciousness. The speed of your own thoughts takes those thoughts away from you even as you think them — and you can never really examine a thought, but only the thought of a thought. Because you are, you are everywhere at once. I am quite aware of the fact that you can scarcely follow that psychological motion. As we will see later, your imaginations can lead you toward some recognition, even toward some emotional comprehension, of this concept. While your reasoning abilities at first may falter, that is only because you have trained your intellect to respond in a limited fashion.
There are what I will call 'intervals of perception'. You are usually conscious of events that are significant neurologically, and that neurological timing is the end result of an [almost] infinite series of sequences. Those sequences are areas in which activities happen. Each consciousness within each area is tuned into its proper sequence. Each area builds on the others. The invisible particles are the framework upon which your body is formed, for example — they move faster than the speed of light, yet you are not dizzy. You are aware of no such motion. You are tuned into a different sequence of action.
There are, then, different worlds operating with different frequencies at different intervals. They are conscious in other times, though you are neurologically equipped to perceive your own interval structures. When I speak of time, I do not merely refer to other centuries as you think of them. But between the moments that you know, and neurologically accept, there are other kinds of moments, if you prefer, other versions of time, and other kinds of accomplishments and fulfillments that are not dependent upon your usual ideas of, say, growth through time.
session 915
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Post by zin on Feb 21, 2018 7:48:47 GMT -5
I've been reading the book Dreams, 'Evolution', and Value Fulfillment for some time now (it is two volumes). I was astonished to see that it began with ten essays, amounting to about ninety pages, from Robert Butts (Jane's husband) about their personal life during the time of writing the book. The essays tell about their difficulties related to Jane's health and a belief of hers about a 'sinful self' she had.
It was a bit sad to read them but I also find it reasonable that they took these as challenges they themselves had choosen. I haven't read any book of theirs apart from Seth books, so I don't know exactly their ideas on God or All-That-Is as they call it. For me there's always a point (maybe an escape point) where I say "God must have a reason for what I live" and I go on, without questioning much. So I am interested in how they dealt with these and how R. Butts continued after Jane's passing away. Anyway.. I write these to say that I appreciate the honesty of the book. A few quotes:
August 12, 1982. Originally I'd planned to write the standard kind of introduction for Dreams, 'Evolution', and Value Fulfillment. However, as I became involved in describing the complicated, emotionally charged series of events surrounding the hospitalization earlier this year of my wife, Jane Roberts, the material automatically began organizing itself into a series of dated essays. I was more than happy to follow this intuition from my creative self, for it answered many questions I'd started to consciously worry about. We could have presented Dreams as is, or at least have avoided mentioning certain less-than-advantageous circumstances surrounding its production by Jane and by Seth, the 'energy personality essence' she speaks for while in a trance or dissociated state. The facts are, though, that Jane's already impaired physical condition grew steadily worse while she was working on the book. Shortly after finishing it, she went into the hospital. Since we've always wanted to make sure that our 'psychic work' is given within the context of our daily living, I've undertaken to present in these essays intensely personal material relevant to the creation of Dreams.
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...the choice of presenting the material in essay form proved to have one virtue that was more valuable than all the others combined: It allowed us to delve into the events I describe, and "our deep-seated, sometimes wrenching feelings connected to them," a little bit at a time. Those situations might have been too devastating for us otherwise, too emotionally threatening, too charged for us to present them with at least the minimum amount of objectivity required by the written word. Many of the events and feelings evoked such deep implications of trial and challenge for Jane and me that we were often left with strong feelings of unreality: This can't be happening to us. At our ages (52 and 62, Jane and I, respectively), why have we created lives with such nightmarish connotations? Why do I have to leave my dear wife alone in the hospital each night, so that I feel like crying for her when I go to bed by myself in the hill house? Why can't we be left alone to live lives of peace and creativity? And how many millions and millions of times through the ages have other human beings on this planet felt the same way—and will yet? Why are our lives ending like this, when we feel that simply getting through each day is an accomplishment?
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We'd chosen the entire experience, which is still continuing, of course. "You make your own reality," Seth has told us innumerable times. We agree — and that is where Jane and I diverge most sharply from the conventional establishment belief that events happen to people, instead of being created by them.
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Post by zin on Feb 27, 2018 7:58:12 GMT -5
Automatic speaking & sleepwalking
All worlds have an inner beginning. All of your dreams somewhere waken, but when they do they waken with the desire for creativity themselves, and they are born of an innocent new intent. That which is in harmony with the universe, with All That Is, has a natural inborn impetus that will dissolve all impediments. It is easier, therefore, for nature to flourish than not.
You are aware of such activities now as automatic speaking and automatic writing, and of sleepwalking. These all give signs in modern times of some very important evidence in man's early relationship with the world and with himself. Sleepwalking was once, in that beginning, a very common experience —far more so than now— in which the inner self actually taught the physical body to walk, and hence presented the newly emerged physically oriented intellect from getting in its own way, asking too many questions that might otherwise impede the body's smooth spontaneous motion.
In the same fashion man is born with an inbuilt propensity for language, and for the communication of symbols through pictures and writing. He spoke first in an automatic fashion that began in his dreams. In a fashion, you could almost say that he used language before he consciously understood it. It is not just that he learned by doing, but that the doing did the teaching. Again, lest there be a sharply inquiring intellect, wondering overmuch about how the words were formed or what motions were necessary, his drawing was in the same way automatic. You might almost say —almost— that he used the language 'despite himself'. Therefore, it possessed an almost magical quality, and the 'word' was seen as coming directly from God.
session 901
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Post by Reefs on Mar 4, 2018 23:35:56 GMT -5
Mental physicists and dream-art science (1)
Seth: The blueprints for reality will not be found in the exterior universe. Some other civilizations experimented with a different kind of science than the one with which you are familiar. They met with varying degrees of success in their attempts to understand the nature of reality, and it is true that their overall goals were different than yours. Such people were focusing their consciousnesses in a completely different direction. Your own behavior, customs, sciences, arts, and disciplines are in a way uniquely yours, yet they also provide glimpses into the ways in which various groupings of abilities can be used to probe into the “unknown” reality.
Art is as much a science, in the truest sense of the word, as biology is. Science as you think of it separates itself from the subject at hand. Art identifies with the subject. In your terms, then, other civilizations considered art as a fine science, and used it in such a way that it painted a very clear-cut picture of the nature of reality — a picture in which human emotion and motivation played a grand role.
Your scientists spend many long years in training. If the same amount of time were spent to learn a different kind of science, you could indeed discover far more about the known and unknown realities. There are some individuals embarked upon a study of dreams, working in the “dream laboratories”; but here again there is prejudiced perception, with scientists on the outside studying the dreams of others, or emphasizing the physical changes that occur in the dream state. The trouble is that many in the sciences do not comprehend that there is an inner reality. It is not only as valid as the exterior one, but it is the origin for it. It is that world that offers you answers, solutions, and would reveal many of the blueprints that exist behind the world of your experience.
(Session 700)
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Post by zin on Mar 12, 2018 20:52:16 GMT -5
Spirits of nature
You are one conscious version of yourself, creating along with all of your contemporaries the realities of the times. When I use the term 'contemporaries', I refer to all of the species. You read your consciousness in certain fashions, but it is quite possible to read the consciousness of the world in other ways also.
If you read it sideways, so to speak, you would still end up with an orderly universe, but one in which the nature of identity would be read completely differently, stressing adjacent subjective communications of a conscious kind that form other kinds or patterns of subjectivity and psychological continuity. These result in the formation of 'personalities' or entities who are aware of their own identities by following different pathways than your own, while also in their way contributing to the formation of your universe even as you do.
Your numbering of the species is highly capricious. Again, you recognize as alive only those varieties of life that fall within certain ranges of attention. You objectify and diversify. The lines drawn between the self and what is nonself, between an organism and its environment, are highly arbitrary on your part. There are psychological patterns, therefore, that completely escape your notice because they do not follow the conventions that you have established. These combine what you diversify, so that you have hidden psychological values or psychological beings that combine the properties of the environment and the properties of selfhood in other combinations than those you know.
They would seem to be the spirits of nature, as you would be more or less bound to interpret them from your viewpoint. They would certainly be psychological relatives, but with their own time schemes, languages, and psychological affiliations. These do exist along with the kinds of consciousness that you recognize within the structure of physical life. When you dream, however, you often come in contact with these cousins of consciousness. It is not simply that they communicate with you, or you with them, so much as it is that in sleep the conventional properties that you have learned are somewhat loosened and abandoned. You see 'the lights around the corner', so to speak. You see a species of consciousness, a species that must remain unexplained in any normal explanations of evolution, and these hint at the communications that exist at all levels, protecting not only the genetic references necessary to your own kind, but the combinations of other forms of organization that exist adjacent to your own, yet connected to them. You have often misread such references, and many of your legends of good and evil spirits, monsters and strange varieties of artificial creatures, appear in folklore.
At one time, however, you encountered such other formations in a different light, of course, seeing many similarities between their behavior and yours — certain characteristic ways of perceiving at least some experience that elicited your response and recognition. At one time, then, you were more open in a fashion to the kinds of consciousness that you admitted into your circle of reality. At one time, in those terms, you did not draw the lines as finely as you do now. Instead you included such cousins of consciousness into your midst, accepting a kind of comradeship — for to some extent at least you could see the different versions of humanity that resulted from a change of focus, an adjacent affiliation of humanized energy with the environment. Quite simply, you felt that in certain terms you had other brothers and sisters in the world that were like you but unlike you, that put together the contents of the universe in their own fashions. Such species, of course, can nowhere appear within the dictates of evolution or be perceived as realities except under those conditions when you relax your usual conventions of perception and behavior.
Nevertheless, encounters between you occur frequently — in the dream state as stated, in alterations of your usual focus, and in your arts, where you are less arbitrary in your definitions. As you began to bring your own physical reality into harder, clearer focus, you stopped with your own view of human consciousness, shutting off completely and rather arbitrarily those other elements in order to more clearly frame and define the boundaries of physical order. It seems to you now that such personalities are not physically perceivable, but at one time you could bring them into the range of your perception. You ended your classifications where you did, however, preferring to see man as the king of intelligence. This meant that you abruptly drew the line where it now seems it must have been drawn. You continued that companionship, however, at other levels of activity, levels that are still open and that must be taken into consideration whenever we approach any discussion of dreaming and the dreaming world.
(session 938)
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Post by zin on Mar 22, 2018 19:46:13 GMT -5
Magical approach vs. Rational approach
It is not that you overuse the intellect as a culture, but that you rely upon it to the exclusion of all other faculties in your approach to life. The intellect is brilliant, but on its own, now, it is indeed in its way isolated both in time and in space in a way that other portions of the personality are not. When it is overly stressed, with all of the usual frameworks or rationales that go along with it, it can indeed become frightened, paranoid, because it cannot really perceive events until they have already occurred. It does not know what will happen tomorrow, and since it is overly stressed, its paranoid tendencies can only fear the worst. Now those tendencies are not natural to the intellect, but only appear when it is forced to operate in such an isolated fashion — isolated not only in time and space, but psychologically isolated from other portions of the personality that are meant to bring it additional information that it does not possess, and a kind of magical support.
…. It seems, because of the definitions you have been taught, that there is only one narrow kind of rationality, and that if you forsake the boundary of that narrow definition, then you become irrational, fanatic, mad, or whatever. The thin, cold 'rationality' that is recognized as such, is instead a fake veneer covering a far deeper spontaneous rationality, and it is the existence of that magical rationality that provides the basis for the intellect to begin with. The rationality that you accept is then but one small clue as to the spontaneous inner rationality that is a part of each natural person.
…. Now when you understand that intellectually, then the intellect can take it for granted that its own information is not all the information you possess. It can realize that its own knowledge represents the tip of the iceberg. As you apply that realization to your life you begin to realize furthermore that in practical terms you are indeed supported by a greater body of knowledge than you consciously realize, and by the magical, spontaneous fountain of action that forms your existence. The intellect can then realize that it does not have to go it all alone: Everything does not have to be reasoned out, even to be understood.
This information is factual. I am not saying that I do not use analogies often, or that I am not forced at times into symbolic statements, but when I am I always say so, and even those statements are my best representations of facts too large for your definitions. The intellect, then, can and does form strong paranoid tendencies when it is put in the position of believing that it must solve all personal problems alone —or nearly— and certainly when it is presented with any picture of worldwide predicaments.
The rational approach, built up around this framework, insists that the best way to solve a problem is to concentrate upon it, to project its effects into the future, to ruminate upon its consequences, 'to stare at the bare facts head on'. This brings about an atmosphere in which the problem is compounded. The intellect on its own —so it seems— must deal not only with the problem today, but with its effects in the projected disastrous tomorrows. This well-intentioned concentration, this determination to solve the problem, this rational approach, then causes an even deeper sense of inadequacy. The concentration upon the problem brings about a kind of mechanical repetition, a repeated type of hypnotic focus.
(The Magical Approach, session 2)
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Post by zin on Mar 22, 2018 19:57:38 GMT -5
Relationship with 'time' in the magical & rational approaches
The main point is indeed the importance of accepting a different kind of overall orientation — one that is indeed not any secondary adjunct, but a basic part of human nature. As your own and Ruburt's notes state, Ruburt's more clearly, this involves an entirely different relationship of the self you know with time. …. Important misunderstandings involving time have been in a large measure responsible for many of Ruburt's difficulties, and also of your own, though they have been of a lesser nature. All of this involves relating to reality in a more natural, and therefore magical, fashion. There is certainly a kind of natural physical time in your experience, and in the experience of any creature. It involves the rhythm of the seasons — the days and nights and tides and so forth. In the light of that kind of physical time, which is involved within earthly biology, there is no basic cultural time. That is, to this natural rhythm you have culturally added the idea of clocks, moments and hours and so forth, which you have transposed over nature's rhythms. Such a cultural time works well overall for the civilization that concentrates upon partialities, bits and pieces, assembly lines, promptness of appointments, and so forth. It fits an industrialized society as you understand it.
The time that any artistic creator is involved with follows earth's own time, however. The creator's time rises out of the seasons and the tides, even though in your society you make a great effort to fit the creator's time into what I will call assembly-line time. If you are a writer or an artist, then it seems that you must produce so many paintings or books or whatever as, say, an automobile worker must process so many pieces of the overall car chassis. Particularly if you want to make a living at your art, you fall into the frame of mind in which you think that "each minute is valuable" — but what you mean is that each minute must be a minute of production. But each moment must be valuable in itself, whatever you do with it.
Ruburt culturally has felt, for many reasons that have been discussed, that each moment must be devoted to work. You have to some extent felt the same. I said that the artistic creator operates in the time of the seasons and so forth, in a kind of natural time — but that natural time is far different than you suppose. Far richer, and it turns inward and outward and backward and forward upon itself. Being your own natural and magical self when you dream, you utilize information that is outside of the time context experienced by the so-called rational mind. The creative abilities operate in the same fashion, appearing within consecutive time, but with the main work done outside of it entirely. When you finished your project, you had several days of feeling miserable, but you caught yourself and turned yourself around beautifully, and you have every right to congratulate yourself in that regard.
The same thing happened to Ruburt, and to some extent, with some individual variations, the same causes were involved. When you were both working on those projects your cultural time was taken up in a way you found acceptable. Creative time and cultural time to some extent merged, in that you could see daily immediate evidence of creativity's product, coming out of the typewriters, say, like any product off an assembly line. You were 'using' time as your cultural training told you to do. When the projects were done, particularly with Ruburt, there was still the cultural belief that time should be so used, that creativity must be directed and disciplined to fall into the proper time slots. In other words, to some extent or another he tried to use an assembly-line kind of time for your creative productivity. This may work when manuscripts are being typed, and so much physical labor is involved, but overall you are using the 'wrong' approach to time, particularly for any creative artist. ….
There is much material here that I will give you, because it is important that you understand the different ways of relating to reality, and how those ways create the experienced events. You have not really, either of you, been ready to drastically alter your orientations, but you are approaching that threshold. As Ruburt's notes also mention, the 'magical approach' means that you actually change your methods of dealing with problems, achieving goals, and satisfying means. You change over to the methods of the natural person. They are indeed, then, a part of your private experience. They are not esoteric methods, but you must be convinced that they are the natural methods by which man is meant to handle his problems and approach his challenges. I use the word 'methods' because you understand it, but actually we are speaking about an approach to life, a magical or natural approach to life that is man's version of the animal's natural instinctive behavior in the universe.
(The Magical Approach, session 1)
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Post by Reefs on Mar 24, 2018 12:22:19 GMT -5
Magical approach vs. Rational approach It is not that you overuse the intellect as a culture, but that you rely upon it to the exclusion of all other faculties in your approach to life. The intellect is brilliant, but on its own, now, it is indeed in its way isolated both in time and in space in a way that other portions of the personality are not. When it is overly stressed, with all of the usual frameworks or rationales that go along with it, it can indeed become frightened, paranoid, because it cannot really perceive events until they have already occurred. It does not know what will happen tomorrow, and since it is overly stressed, its paranoid tendencies can only fear the worst. Now those tendencies are not natural to the intellect, but only appear when it is forced to operate in such an isolated fashion — isolated not only in time and space, but psychologically isolated from other portions of the personality that are meant to bring it additional information that it does not possess, and a kind of magical support. …. It seems, because of the definitions you have been taught, that there is only one narrow kind of rationality, and that if you forsake the boundary of that narrow definition, then you become irrational, fanatic, mad, or whatever. The thin, cold 'rationality' that is recognized as such, is instead a fake veneer covering a far deeper spontaneous rationality, and it is the existence of that magical rationality that provides the basis for the intellect to begin with. The rationality that you accept is then but one small clue as to the spontaneous inner rationality that is a part of each natural person. …. Now when you understand that intellectually, then the intellect can take it for granted that its own information is not all the information you possess. It can realize that its own knowledge represents the tip of the iceberg. As you apply that realization to your life you begin to realize furthermore that in practical terms you are indeed supported by a greater body of knowledge than you consciously realize, and by the magical, spontaneous fountain of action that forms your existence. The intellect can then realize that it does not have to go it all alone: Everything does not have to be reasoned out, even to be understood. This information is factual. I am not saying that I do not use analogies often, or that I am not forced at times into symbolic statements, but when I am I always say so, and even those statements are my best representations of facts too large for your definitions. The intellect, then, can and does form strong paranoid tendencies when it is put in the position of believing that it must solve all personal problems alone —or nearly— and certainly when it is presented with any picture of worldwide predicaments. The rational approach, built up around this framework, insists that the best way to solve a problem is to concentrate upon it, to project its effects into the future, to ruminate upon its consequences, 'to stare at the bare facts head on'. This brings about an atmosphere in which the problem is compounded. The intellect on its own —so it seems— must deal not only with the problem today, but with its effects in the projected disastrous tomorrows. This well-intentioned concentration, this determination to solve the problem, this rational approach, then causes an even deeper sense of inadequacy. The concentration upon the problem brings about a kind of mechanical repetition, a repeated type of hypnotic focus. (The Magical Approach, session 2) What a coincidence! Just a couple of days ago I was going thru this very book again and actually wanted to post some quotes from it about the intellect. Seth makes some really good points here. That book is a real gem. The natural person that Seth is talking about somehow reminds me of what ZD usually calls a sage. |
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Post by zin on May 16, 2018 7:45:34 GMT -5
"February 26, 1974. I'm getting something like this . . . that data comes through to us multidimensionally, then is sifted through neural connections, where it's transformed into time-segmentation or strung-out experience. Next it flows into our probable (physical) reality (which itself changes all the 'time'). We inherently possess separate pockets or pools of experience (biologically valid among the cells' characteristics), sidepools where information collects for processing before flowing into the 'official pool of consciousness'.
There are ways to bypass this process and dip directly into these sidepools.
Usual memory is as much a sifting process as it is anything else, in which experience's intensity varies —sometimes 'alive' neurologically and sometimes not— just to focus our consciousness in one probable action or series. (As I [Rob] type, I add: We forget anything not pertinent to our selected series of probable actions. The psyche knows its own parts. Seth says so in his books, but we ask the psyche the wrong questions.)
In these side pockets, memory, so-called, is not so structured. Its ever-present living elements are apparent; and its growth. Its material is ever-fresh. Here the past still happens. Usually we experience it through neurological connections; that's when it seems vivid or alive, but actually it's that way all the time. Past motion and acts still go on, not recurring —it's hard to explain— but those past actions are still exploring other probabilities, while our nervous structure focuses us in the one (physical) probable reality we've chosen. ...
Writing, as a linear form, itself imposes limitations here.
These 'past' probabilities are not fleshed out in our terms, but they're brilliantly focused in their own life. In the Saratoga experience I felt ghostly because there I was a future probability. ... At certain levels of consciousness, through bypassing direct neurological activity and impact, you can then glimpse other portions of your own probable experience — both in the future and the past.
Using these side pockets or pools where data are still unprocessed, in our terms, you can pick up several other strands of your own consciousness 'at once', though retention may be difficult. Explaining the experience to the normal consciousness automatically helps expand it (the normal consciousness), so that each time the process becomes easier. Until, with practice, experience and data from several areas can be held simultaneously. The difficulty then is a translation in linear terms, hence Ruburt's trouble in the Saratoga episode.
([Rob says] Now here, Jane told me later, she began moving into a different, hard-to-define, 'strange' state of altered awareness. At the same time she began casting her material in the third person. "Ruburt", "him", "he" — entered in; yet she wasn't picking up on Seth)
Now, physically, neurological action is a code for other actions that usually can't be experienced at once because of the selectivity mentioned earlier. ...
Ruburt's difficulty, anger, and impatience last night [while receiving psychic material] resulted from initial problems of translating multidimensional experience into linear terms and thought patterns. Fresh material was being born anew in the past, and he didn't know how to fit it into his time scheme."
The 'Unknown' Reality, Vol I, Appendix 4 - Jane Roberts writes in some trance
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Post by Reefs on May 21, 2018 7:48:08 GMT -5
Manifested and unmanifested consciousness
Seth: Units of consciousness (CU's), transforming themselves into electromagnetic energy units (EE's), formed the environment and all of its inhabitants in the same process, in what you might call a circular manner rather than a serial one. And in those terms, of course, there are only various physical manifestations of consciousness, not a planet and its inhabitants, but an entire gestalt of awareized consciousness. In those terms, each portion of physically oriented consciousness sees reality and experience from its own privileged viewpoint, about which it seems all else revolves, even though this may involve a larger generalized field than your own, or a smaller one.
So to rocks, say, you can be considered a portion of their environment, while you may consider them merely a portion of your environment. You simply do not tune into the range of rock consciousness. Actually, many other kinds of consciousness, while focused in their own specific ways, are more aware than man is of earth's unified nature—but man, in following his own ways, also adds to the value fulfillment of all other consciousnesses in ways that are quite outside of usual systems of knowledge.
If you remember that beneath all, each unit of consciousness is aware of the position of each other unit, and that these units form all physical matter, then perhaps you can intuitively follow what I mean, for whatever knowledge man attains, whatever experience any one person accumulates, whatever arts or sciences you produce, all such information is instantly perceived at other levels of activity by each of the other units of consciousness that compose physical reality—whether those units form the shape of a rock, a raindrop, an apple, a cat, a frog or a shoe. Manufactured products are also composed of atoms and molecules that ride upon units of consciousness transformed into EE units, and hence into physical elements.
What you have, really, is a manifested and an unmanifested consciousness, but only relatively speaking. You do not perceive the consciousness of objects. It is not manifest to you because your range of activities requires boundaries to frame your picture of reality.
(Session 890)
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Post by laughter on May 21, 2018 15:38:50 GMT -5
Manifested and unmanifested consciousness
Seth: Units of consciousness (CU's), transforming themselves into electromagnetic energy units (EE's), formed the environment and all of its inhabitants in the same process, in what you might call a circular manner rather than a serial one. And in those terms, of course, there are only various physical manifestations of consciousness, not a planet and its inhabitants, but an entire gestalt of awareized consciousness. In those terms, each portion of physically oriented consciousness sees reality and experience from its own privileged viewpoint, about which it seems all else revolves, even though this may involve a larger generalized field than your own, or a smaller one. So to rocks, say, you can be considered a portion of their environment, while you may consider them merely a portion of your environment. You simply do not tune into the range of rock consciousness. Actually, many other kinds of consciousness, while focused in their own specific ways, are more aware than man is of earth's unified nature—but man, in following his own ways, also adds to the value fulfillment of all other consciousnesses in ways that are quite outside of usual systems of knowledge. If you remember that beneath all, each unit of consciousness is aware of the position of each other unit, and that these units form all physical matter, then perhaps you can intuitively follow what I mean, for whatever knowledge man attains, whatever experience any one person accumulates, whatever arts or sciences you produce, all such information is instantly perceived at other levels of activity by each of the other units of consciousness that compose physical reality—whether those units form the shape of a rock, a raindrop, an apple, a cat, a frog or a shoe. Manufactured products are also composed of atoms and molecules that ride upon units of consciousness transformed into EE units, and hence into physical elements. What you have, really, is a manifested and an unmanifested consciousness, but only relatively speaking. You do not perceive the consciousness of objects. It is not manifest to you because your range of activities requires boundaries to frame your picture of reality. (Session 890) The parallels between QM and the Seth material is quite explicit in this one. The reference to intuition here is subtle, but, for me, it's really the crux of the material, generally. It seems to me that the more one has gained from sitting with their eyes closed in the dark, and acquainted themselves with the " inner senses" (or some other similar means of acquaintance), the less likely they are to have their intellect hooked. I have this perception of the American "counter-culture" from my lifetime as related to nonduality (sometimes tangentially, sometimes explicitly), and at least some of it rests on a foundation of intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material, as well as that material directly. Also, the parallel between "rock consciousness" and some of the dialog of the past few years on this site is intensely amusing .. all the moreso the more we suspend any ideas we might have of the participants.  Finally, it occurs to me that this idea of "parallels" might hook the intellect into thinking it can make a sort of rational sense of some idea of "nonlinear time", and this is, of course, related to the notion of synchronicity. late edit: Also, another point occurs to me from this quote. It has to do with a specific quality of "CC experiences". One commonality I've noticed between them could be described as a sort of instantaneous glimpse of the implied relationships between the Seth material "units of consciousness". All of them. All at once. Tzu' and I got into this in one exchange, very briefly. Language -- particularly if taken out of context -- has the potential to be especially deceptive here: the "glimpse" happens in a context of a fully embodied understanding of the fallacy of object boundaries. And it's an understanding that it seems to me can easily confound a mind floundering for cultural waypoints during the inevitable informing on the aftermath of a CC. |
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Post by laughter on May 21, 2018 18:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on May 22, 2018 7:53:09 GMT -5
Free will
Seth: Ruburt was recently scandalized upon reading that orthodox science still does not grant man with volition. According to its tenets, any such feeling of conscious choice is instead the reflection of the brain's attitude at any given time. Yet I am saying that man has free will within the framework of his existence, and that all other species do also within the frameworks of their existences.
The chicken cannot read a book. It cannot choose to read. The plant cannot choose to walk down the street. The chicken and the plant can choose to live or die, however — rather important issues in the existence of any entity. They can choose to like or dislike their environment, and to change it according to their individual circumstances. It is fashionable to say that some scientific laws can be proven at microscopic levels, where, for example, small particles can be accelerated far beyond [their usual states]. But you quite studiously ignore that feeling exists on microscopic levels, that there can be psychological particles, much less come to the conclusion that all particles are psychological particles, with their own impetuses for development and value fulfillment. That is why atoms join together to form matter. They seek the fulfillment of themselves through form. They cooperatively choose the forms that they take.
(Session 866)
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Post by Reefs on May 22, 2018 8:39:17 GMT -5
The parallels between QM and the Seth material is quite explicit in this one. The reference to intuition here is subtle, but, for me, it's really the crux of the material, generally. It seems to me that the more one has gained from sitting with their eyes closed in the dark, and acquainted themselves with the " inner senses" (or some other similar means of acquaintance), the less likely they are to have their intellect hooked. High quality channeled material is very interesting. It usually contains several layers that address several levels of understanding all at once. When you read it for the first time, you won't notice that. But when you read it again after a longer period of time you suddenly will discover stuff that (it seems) wasn't there before. I've noticed that with the A-H years ago. I'm currently going thru the Seth material again and I have to say the same applies here. Fascinating stuff. Seth dedicates a lot of time to the inner senses topic. Instead of giving them names, he gives them numbers. I'm currently at #7. I think he mentions a total of 9 inner senses. I have this perception of the American "counter-culture" from my lifetime as related to nonduality (sometimes tangentially, sometimes explicitly), and at least some of it rests on a foundation of intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material, as well as that material directly. Well, Seth hates hippie/new age stuff with a passion. Anyway, Woodstock was 1969 and The Seth Material was published a year later. So draw your own conclusions. But I rather think that the hippie/new age movement belongs to a different stream of thought, mostly theosophy, I think. Seth is mostly trying to do some damage control in that regard. Also, the parallel between "rock consciousness" and some of the dialog of the past few years on this site is intensely amusing .. all the moreso the more we suspend any ideas we might have of the participants. Finally, it occurs to me that this idea of "parallels" might hook the intellect into thinking it can make a sort of rational sense of some idea of "nonlinear time", and this is, of course, related to the notion of synchronicity. late edit: Also, another point occurs to me from this quote. It has to do with a specific quality of "CC experiences". One commonality I've noticed between them could be described as a sort of instantaneous glimpse of the implied relationships between the Seth material "units of consciousness". All of them. All at once. Tzu' and I got into this in one exchange, very briefly. Language -- particularly if taken out of context -- has the potential to be especially deceptive here: the "glimpse" happens in a context of a fully embodied understanding of the fallacy of object boundaries. And it's an understanding that it seems to me can easily confound a mind floundering for cultural waypoints during the inevitable informing on the aftermath of a CC. I never understood how peeps could go totally bonkers over the idea of 'rock consciousness'.  Yes, that's right. CU's and 'inner senses' are key to understanding CC. With this in mind, read again what Suzanne Segal had to say about that here. One of the best description I've come across so far. Seth's vocabulary is a bit challenging at times. I just recently found out that what he calls "tissue capsule enclosing" is what is commonly known as the astral body! |
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Post by Reefs on May 22, 2018 8:47:09 GMT -5
Yes, our 'pig-headed Rubert' (as Seth used to call her) was quite a rebel. And it came at a price. |
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Finally, it occurs to me that this idea of "parallels" might hook the intellect into thinking it can make a sort of rational sense of some idea of "nonlinear time", and this is, of course, related to the notion of synchronicity.