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Post by Reefs on May 24, 2018 23:59:23 GMT -5
Inner senses
Seth: There is indeed light that you do not see, sound that you do not hear, sensation that you do not feel. All of these belong to the realm of the inner senses. The inner senses represent your true powers of perception. They represent, say, your native nonphysical perceptive "equipment". The physical senses are relatively easy to distinguish: You know what you see from what you hear. If you close your eyes, you do not see.
The inner senses, though I have in the past described them by separating their functions and characteristics, basically operate together in such a way that in your terms it would be highly difficult to separate one from the others. They function with a perfect spontaneous order, aware of all synchronicities. In that psychological universe, then, it is possible for entities "to be everywhere at once", aware of everything at once. Your world is composed of such "entities"—the units of consciousness that form your body. The kinds of conscious minds that you have cannot hold that kind of information.
These units of consciousness, however, add themselves up to form psychological beings far greater in number than, say, the number of stars in [your] galaxy (over 400 billion of them), and each of those psychological formations has its own identity—its own soul if you prefer—its own purpose in the entire fabric of being.
(Session 900)
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Post by laughter on May 25, 2018 21:43:34 GMT -5
The parallels between QM and the Seth material is quite explicit in this one. The reference to intuition here is subtle, but, for me, it's really the crux of the material, generally. It seems to me that the more one has gained from sitting with their eyes closed in the dark, and acquainted themselves with the " inner senses" (or some other similar means of acquaintance), the less likely they are to have their intellect hooked. High quality channeled material is very interesting. It usually contains several layers that address several levels of understanding all at once. When you read it for the first time, you won't notice that. But when you read it again after a longer period of time you suddenly will discover stuff that (it seems) wasn't there before. I've noticed that with the A-H years ago. I'm currently going thru the Seth material again and I have to say the same applies here. Fascinating stuff. Seth dedicates a lot of time to the inner senses topic. Instead of giving them names, he gives them numbers. I'm currently at #7. I think he mentions a total of 9 inner senses. I have this perception of the American "counter-culture" from my lifetime as related to nonduality (sometimes tangentially, sometimes explicitly), and at least some of it rests on a foundation of intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material, as well as that material directly. Well, Seth hates hippie/new age stuff with a passion.  Anyway, Woodstock was 1969 and The Seth Material was published a year later. So draw your own conclusions. But I rather think that the hippie/new age movement belongs to a different stream of thought, mostly theosophy, I think. Seth is mostly trying to do some damage control in that regard. Also, the parallel between "rock consciousness" and some of the dialog of the past few years on this site is intensely amusing .. all the moreso the more we suspend any ideas we might have of the participants. Finally, it occurs to me that this idea of "parallels" might hook the intellect into thinking it can make a sort of rational sense of some idea of "nonlinear time", and this is, of course, related to the notion of synchronicity. late edit: Also, another point occurs to me from this quote. It has to do with a specific quality of "CC experiences". One commonality I've noticed between them could be described as a sort of instantaneous glimpse of the implied relationships between the Seth material "units of consciousness". All of them. All at once. Tzu' and I got into this in one exchange, very briefly. Language -- particularly if taken out of context -- has the potential to be especially deceptive here: the "glimpse" happens in a context of a fully embodied understanding of the fallacy of object boundaries. And it's an understanding that it seems to me can easily confound a mind floundering for cultural waypoints during the inevitable informing on the aftermath of a CC. I never understood how peeps could go totally bonkers over the idea of 'rock consciousness'.  Yes, that's right. CU's and 'inner senses' are key to understanding CC. With this in mind, read again what Suzanne Segal had to say about that here. One of the best description I've come across so far. Seth's vocabulary is a bit challenging at times. I just recently found out that what he calls "tissue capsule enclosing" is what is commonly known as the astral body! goes into depth about the inner senses but it's scattered throughout, and I didn't read it all the way through yet. Is that the work you might recommend for enumerating the "inner senses" (like this lists them, for example)? Suzzanne's 2nd paragraph is about as good as any a description of those parts of the perpetual perpetugasm debate that hint at the underlying truth of "satchitanada". See, just because people have fallen into one intellectual trap or another doesn't mean that they're completely devoid of any insight, or that they haven't experienced anything like what they're conceptualizing. It just means that they're conceptualizing what can't be conceptualized, and they don't recognize where the pointing ends and the thinking and/or feeling begins. This happens collectively as well as individually. The counter-culture was part of the wider new-age movement, and even though it led to lots of folly and fallacy, the underlying precepts were definitely a few of Plato's shadows, correctly perceived. The hippies were more than just dye-tied tee-shirts, weed and sandals. The beats and the hippies brought the dream metaphor, peace, and nonduality (by way of the interconnectedness-shadow) into the forefront of American culture. So they played a role in embedding these notions into the collective subconscious of Americans, generally, as they faded from that forefront. The new-age aversion to materialism and centralized political control have obvious subjective parallels to an individual gradually becoming conscious of the nature of the waking dream. Also there are significant links between the popularization of Zen in America and the new age: ... which isn't to suggest that I don't disagree with much of what these guys had to say, or even that I can't see the hyperminding and toxic ego as it's happening. It's just an interesting link: American new age, and Zen. There were many facets to the new age and I'd include in those the interests in spiritualism. And the interconnection between LOA and the personal improvement culture from the '50's onward should be obvious. So LOA and spiritualist notions of life-after-death and astral planes and astral bodies are fertile ground for what I meant by an intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material. Bach published "Illusions" in 1977, and crashed his plane in 2012, which -- despite the obvious seriousness of the accident and the injuries he suffered -- is rather ironic given the whole Maya calendar commotion. The phenomenon of the modern cult is a natural progression of the mash-up of spiritual teaching, misinterpreted LOA, and misapplied existential insight. Each of the few cult leaders I've read or otherwise learned about in any detail were not only familiar with some sort of nondual philosophy, but understood it -- and human nature -- quite well. As far as the "rock consciousness" controversy goes, I think the fulcrum of it can be illuminated -- in such a way as to be entirely neutral in terms of realization or experience status -- with the distinction between " everything is alive!" and "every thing, is alive". Putting myself in the shoes of someone taking the Seth material literally, and abstractly, I can definitely understand how they'd mistake the reference to it -- especially taken out of context of the rest of the material as a whole, as referring to "every thing, is alive". |
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Post by Reefs on May 26, 2018 22:43:49 GMT -5
This goes into depth about the inner senses but it's scattered throughout, and I didn't read it all the way through yet. Is that the work you might recommend for enumerating the "inner senses" (like this lists them, for example)? Suzzanne's 2nd paragraph is about as good as any a description of those parts of the perpetual perpetugasm debate that hint at the underlying truth of "satchitanada". See, just because people have fallen into one intellectual trap or another doesn't mean that they're completely devoid of any insight, or that they haven't experienced anything like what they're conceptualizing. It just means that they're conceptualizing what can't be conceptualized, and they don't recognize where the pointing ends and the thinking and/or feeling begins. This happens collectively as well as individually. The counter-culture was part of the wider new-age movement, and even though it led to lots of folly and fallacy, the underlying precepts were definitely a few of Plato's shadows, correctly perceived. The hippies were more than just dye-tied tee-shirts, weed and sandals. The beats and the hippies brought the dream metaphor, peace, and nonduality (by way of the interconnectedness-shadow) into the forefront of American culture. So they played a role in embedding these notions into the collective subconscious of Americans, generally, as they faded from that forefront. The new-age aversion to materialism and centralized political control have obvious subjective parallels to an individual gradually becoming conscious of the nature of the waking dream. Also there are significant links between the popularization of Zen in America and the new age: ... which isn't to suggest that I don't disagree with much of what these guys had to say, or even that I can't see the hyperminding and toxic ego as it's happening. It's just an interesting link: American new age, and Zen. There were many facets to the new age and I'd include in those the interests in spiritualism. And the interconnection between LOA and the personal improvement culture from the '50's onward should be obvious. So LOA and spiritualist notions of life-after-death and astral planes and astral bodies are fertile ground for what I meant by an intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material. Bach published "Illusions" in 1977, and crashed his plane in 2012, which -- despite the obvious seriousness of the accident and the injuries he suffered -- is rather ironic given the whole Maya calendar commotion. The phenomenon of the modern cult is a natural progression of the mash-up of spiritual teaching, misinterpreted LOA, and misapplied existential insight. Each of the few cult leaders I've read or otherwise learned about in any detail were not only familiar with some sort of nondual philosophy, but understood it -- and human nature -- quite well. As far as the "rock consciousness" controversy goes, I think the fulcrum of it can be illuminated -- in such a way as to be entirely neutral in terms of realization or experience status -- with the distinction between " everything is alive!" and "every thing, is alive". Putting myself in the shoes of someone taking the Seth material literally, and abstractly, I can definitely understand how they'd mistake the reference to it -- especially taken out of context of the rest of the material as a whole, as referring to "every thing, is alive". The material about the inner senses is scattered all over the Seth material. But he introduced it pretty early on. I just finished the first book of the early sessions again and there he has described 7 of the inner senses. I'm getting the impression though that the list of the inner senses is similar to ZD's list of realizations. These realizations can happen all at once or in a 'successive' manner, one by one. Similarly, Seth describes the use of the inner senses. Every inner sense seems to be connected to a specific realization about the nature of reality. And as usual, those distinctions are for sake of convenience only, so that we can talk about it. I wouldn't take it all too literally. So maybe look at it as you would look at the 10 ox pictures. It's just a collection of pointers. Also, Seth says that the numerical order of the inner senses is more or less arbitrary. He chose that order because he thought that way it would be easier for Rob and Jane to understand it (based on what they've already experienced). I'll see if I can compile some actual quotes. Sure, if that counter culture would have had no actual valid points at all, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did and it wouldn't have had the impact either or legacy (Niz, Papaji, UG etc.) Well, you either have seen into your true nature and thereby realized Self or you haven't. And if you have, then certain questions/issues won't arise anymore because there's just no basis for it. In that sense, it can be quite illuminating to observe what other peeps consider as possible or impossible and what they applaud or ridicule. It usually very accurately depicts their actual understanding (often contrary to what they say). Chapter 41 of the Daodejing comes to mind here. As far as discussions about these matters go, it has its place but also its limits. And for those who have an actual reference for what's been discussed, it's easy to draw that line. And when those discussions become circular and never-ending, to me that's a sign that there might no actual realization to begin with, that it's all just theory and so that there's never going to be any line drawn (how could it?). |
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Post by laughter on May 27, 2018 21:48:30 GMT -5
This goes into depth about the inner senses but it's scattered throughout, and I didn't read it all the way through yet. Is that the work you might recommend for enumerating the "inner senses" (like this lists them, for example)? Suzzanne's 2nd paragraph is about as good as any a description of those parts of the perpetual perpetugasm debate that hint at the underlying truth of "satchitanada". See, just because people have fallen into one intellectual trap or another doesn't mean that they're completely devoid of any insight, or that they haven't experienced anything like what they're conceptualizing. It just means that they're conceptualizing what can't be conceptualized, and they don't recognize where the pointing ends and the thinking and/or feeling begins. This happens collectively as well as individually. The counter-culture was part of the wider new-age movement, and even though it led to lots of folly and fallacy, the underlying precepts were definitely a few of Plato's shadows, correctly perceived. The hippies were more than just dye-tied tee-shirts, weed and sandals. The beats and the hippies brought the dream metaphor, peace, and nonduality (by way of the interconnectedness-shadow) into the forefront of American culture. So they played a role in embedding these notions into the collective subconscious of Americans, generally, as they faded from that forefront. The new-age aversion to materialism and centralized political control have obvious subjective parallels to an individual gradually becoming conscious of the nature of the waking dream. Also there are significant links between the popularization of Zen in America and the new age: ... which isn't to suggest that I don't disagree with much of what these guys had to say, or even that I can't see the hyperminding and toxic ego as it's happening. It's just an interesting link: American new age, and Zen. There were many facets to the new age and I'd include in those the interests in spiritualism. And the interconnection between LOA and the personal improvement culture from the '50's onward should be obvious. So LOA and spiritualist notions of life-after-death and astral planes and astral bodies are fertile ground for what I meant by an intellectual misinterpretation of sources similar to the Seth material. Bach published "Illusions" in 1977, and crashed his plane in 2012, which -- despite the obvious seriousness of the accident and the injuries he suffered -- is rather ironic given the whole Maya calendar commotion. The phenomenon of the modern cult is a natural progression of the mash-up of spiritual teaching, misinterpreted LOA, and misapplied existential insight. Each of the few cult leaders I've read or otherwise learned about in any detail were not only familiar with some sort of nondual philosophy, but understood it -- and human nature -- quite well. As far as the "rock consciousness" controversy goes, I think the fulcrum of it can be illuminated -- in such a way as to be entirely neutral in terms of realization or experience status -- with the distinction between " everything is alive!" and "every thing, is alive". Putting myself in the shoes of someone taking the Seth material literally, and abstractly, I can definitely understand how they'd mistake the reference to it -- especially taken out of context of the rest of the material as a whole, as referring to "every thing, is alive". The material about the inner senses is scattered all over the Seth material. But he introduced it pretty early on. I just finished the first book of the early sessions again and there he has described 7 of the inner senses. I'm getting the impression though that the list of the inner senses is similar to ZD's list of realizations. These realizations can happen all at once or in a 'successive' manner, one by one. Similarly, Seth describes the use of the inner senses. Every inner sense seems to be connected to a specific realization about the nature of reality. And as usual, those distinctions are for sake of convenience only, so that we can talk about it. I wouldn't take it all too literally. So maybe look at it as you would look at the 10 ox pictures. It's just a collection of pointers. Also, Seth says that the numerical order of the inner senses is more or less arbitrary. He chose that order because he thought that way it would be easier for Rob and Jane to understand it (based on what they've already experienced). I'll see if I can compile some actual quotes. Sure, if that counter culture would have had no actual valid points at all, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did and it wouldn't have had the impact either or legacy (Niz, Papaji, UG etc.) Well, you either have seen into your true nature and thereby realized Self or you haven't. And if you have, then certain questions/issues won't arise anymore because there's just no basis for it. In that sense, it can be quite illuminating to observe what other peeps consider as possible or impossible and what they applaud or ridicule. It usually very accurately depicts their actual understanding (often contrary to what they say). Chapter 41 of the Daodejing comes to mind here. As far as discussions about these matters go, it has its place but also its limits. And for those who have an actual reference for what's been discussed, it's easy to draw that line. And when those discussions become circular and never-ending, to me that's a sign that there might no actual realization to begin with, that it's all just theory and so that there's never going to be any line drawn (how could it?). I'm with you 1000% on how exploring the inner senses should be done experientially, and that the pointers about them shouldn't be analyzed or over-handled with intellect. The kind of meditation Tolle gently leads his readers into seems to me particularly suited for that. |
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Post by zin on May 28, 2018 7:26:47 GMT -5
Re: on inner senses.. I had saved a paper by Paul M. Helfrich on Seth material, and saw a section about inner senses there as:
"Inner senses – deep intuitions or what's commonly called the 'sixth sense' that complement the five physical senses. (...)
1. inner vibrational touch
2. psychological time
3. perception of past, present, and future
4. conceptual sense
5. cognition of knowledgeable essence
6. innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the universe
7. expansion or contraction of the tissue capsule
8. disentanglement from camouflage
9. diffusion by the energy personality [essence]"
I haven't read specifically on any of them yet.
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Post by laughter on May 28, 2018 8:50:37 GMT -5
Re: on inner senses.. I had saved a paper by Paul M. Helfrich on Seth material, and saw a section about inner senses there as: "Inner senses – deep intuitions or what's commonly called the 'sixth sense' that complement the five physical senses. (...)
1. inner vibrational touch
2. psychological time
3. perception of past, present, and future
4. conceptual sense
5. cognition of knowledgeable essence
6. innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the universe
7. expansion or contraction of the tissue capsule
8. disentanglement from camouflage
9. diffusion by the energy personality [essence]"
I haven't read specifically on any of them yet.
! This is great. In terms of Seth, I'm quite impressed .. very nuanced, very rich. I have to admit that my interest in the Seth material trailed off from my first reading of it at least in part because of the focus on "life-after death" and what I was reading as the implication of "spiritual planes/levels/realms/worlds" etc (I know Seth might not have used some of that exact language). It's not that I found the material to be without value, it's just that my prioritizing led my current focus elsewhere. I get the impression it was kind of the opposite for you along these lines? But the insight suggested by the way these are expressed is undeniable, and this is piquing my interest again. I'm interested in what Reefs' might have to say (if anything) about a translation of these into my own (much cruder and clumsy) vocabulary drawn from past dialog on the forum. To be honest, I can see how some of this doesn't translate all that completely, which signals to me that there's potentially something here for me to learn.  Also, Seth might not have focused on certain of the facets I'm relating to, but I definitely see the relations, and as I haven't read but a fraction of the material yet, these are, essentially, guesses based on intuition as to what I'm likely to find in it. (1) " inner vibrational touch" --> "alignment", and in my own words: the changes in conditioning over time due to clarity. (2) " psychological time" --> self-referential thought and emotion don't deceive as they happen. (3) " perception of past, present, and future" --> seeing the story for what it is, a story. Which is not to dismiss it as insignificant. (4) " conceptual sense" --> the potential for the post realization informing of mind. (5) " cognition of knowledgeable essence" --> in part, "seeing the false as false" (6) " innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the Universe" ...  (7) " expansion or contraction of the tissue capsule" (8) " disentanglement from camouflage" --> "the process of becoming conscious" (9) " diffusion by the energy personality [essence]" --> in part related to an embodied sense of the ephemeral nature of what was previously considered a tangible, physical reality, in part related to the process of becoming conscious. Each of (5), (7) and (9) seem to me related to the experiential facet of emptiness, well-described by Suzanne as "thickening into unity" here. |
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Post by Reefs on May 28, 2018 9:38:21 GMT -5
The reasoning mind vs. direct cognition
Seth: Reasoning, as you are familiar with it, is the result of mental or psychic processes functioning in a space-time context, and in a particular fashion. To some extent, then, reasoning—again, as you are familiar with it —is the result of a lack of available knowledge. You try to “reason things out,” because the answer is not in front of you. If it were, you would “know,” and hence have no need to question.
The reasoning mind is a uniquely human and physical phenomenon. It depends upon conscious thinking, problem-solving methods, and it is a natural human blossoming, a spectacular mental development in its own framework of activity. Your technology is one of the results of that reasoning mind. That “reasoning” is necessary, however, because of the lack of a larger, immediate field of knowledge. Thoughts are mental activity, scaled to time and space terms so that they are like mental edifices built to certain dimensions only. Your thoughts make you human.
We are dealing with direct knowing. We are dealing with the natural perceptions of the psyche, at least when we are speaking in human terms. We are dealing with natural, direct cognition as it exists before and after man's experience with the reasoning mind.
Direct cognition is an inner sense. In physical terms you might call it remote sensing. Your physical body, and your physical existence, are based upon certain kinds of direct cognition, and it is responsible for the very functioning of the reasoning mind itself.
The reasoning mind is highly necessary, effective, and suitable for physical existence, and for the utilization of free will, which is very dependent upon perception of clearly distinguishable actions. In the larger framework of existence, however, it is simply one of innumerable methods of organizing data. A psychological filing system, if you prefer.
(Session 907)
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Post by Reefs on May 29, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
The material about the inner senses is scattered all over the Seth material. But he introduced it pretty early on. I just finished the first book of the early sessions again and there he has described 7 of the inner senses. I'm getting the impression though that the list of the inner senses is similar to ZD's list of realizations. These realizations can happen all at once or in a 'successive' manner, one by one. Similarly, Seth describes the use of the inner senses. Every inner sense seems to be connected to a specific realization about the nature of reality. And as usual, those distinctions are for sake of convenience only, so that we can talk about it. I wouldn't take it all too literally. So maybe look at it as you would look at the 10 ox pictures. It's just a collection of pointers. Also, Seth says that the numerical order of the inner senses is more or less arbitrary. He chose that order because he thought that way it would be easier for Rob and Jane to understand it (based on what they've already experienced). I'll see if I can compile some actual quotes. Sure, if that counter culture would have had no actual valid points at all, it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did and it wouldn't have had the impact either or legacy (Niz, Papaji, UG etc.) Well, you either have seen into your true nature and thereby realized Self or you haven't. And if you have, then certain questions/issues won't arise anymore because there's just no basis for it. In that sense, it can be quite illuminating to observe what other peeps consider as possible or impossible and what they applaud or ridicule. It usually very accurately depicts their actual understanding (often contrary to what they say). Chapter 41 of the Daodejing comes to mind here. As far as discussions about these matters go, it has its place but also its limits. And for those who have an actual reference for what's been discussed, it's easy to draw that line. And when those discussions become circular and never-ending, to me that's a sign that there might no actual realization to begin with, that it's all just theory and so that there's never going to be any line drawn (how could it?). I'm with you 1000% on how exploring the inner senses should be done experientially, and that the pointers about them shouldn't be analyzed or over-handled with intellect. The kind of meditation Tolle gently leads his readers into seems to me particularly suited for that. Right, Seth's focus is on direct experience. Seth's goal is to give Jane and Rob (and the reader) some tools so that they can explore the non-physical realm (what he calls the psyche, the dream realm or just the Unknown) on their own without falling into intellectual traps. And here's also the main different between Seth and Abraham. Seth, unlike Abraham, never claims to have the whole picture. He only claims to have a much more complete understanding than Jane and Rob. So in a sense, the entire Seth material can actually be seen as a training course. It's a very slow deprogramming/dehypnotizing. The A-H material works in a similar way. |
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Post by Reefs on May 29, 2018 10:44:27 GMT -5
Re: on inner senses.. I had saved a paper by Paul M. Helfrich on Seth material, and saw a section about inner senses there as: "Inner senses – deep intuitions or what's commonly called the 'sixth sense' that complement the five physical senses. (...)
1. inner vibrational touch
2. psychological time
3. perception of past, present, and future
4. conceptual sense
5. cognition of knowledgeable essence
6. innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the universe
7. expansion or contraction of the tissue capsule
8. disentanglement from camouflage
9. diffusion by the energy personality [essence]"
I haven't read specifically on any of them yet.
! This is great. In terms of Seth, I'm quite impressed .. very nuanced, very rich. I have to admit that my interest in the Seth material trailed off from my first reading of it at least in part because of the focus on "life-after death" and what I was reading as the implication of "spiritual planes/levels/realms/worlds" etc (I know Seth might not have used some of that exact language). It's not that I found the material to be without value, it's just that my prioritizing led my current focus elsewhere. I get the impression it was kind of the opposite for you along these lines? But the insight suggested by the way these are expressed is undeniable, and this is piquing my interest again. I'm interested in what Reefs' might have to say (if anything) about a translation of these into my own (much cruder and clumsy) vocabulary drawn from past dialog on the forum. To be honest, I can see how some of this doesn't translate all that completely, which signals to me that there's potentially something here for me to learn. Also, Seth might not have focused on certain of the facets I'm relating to, but I definitely see the relations, and as I haven't read but a fraction of the material yet, these are, essentially, guesses based on intuition as to what I'm likely to find in it. (1) " inner vibrational touch" --> "alignment", and in my own words: the changes in conditioning over time due to clarity. (2) " psychological time" --> self-referential thought and emotion don't deceive as they happen. (3) " perception of past, present, and future" --> seeing the story for what it is, a story. Which is not to dismiss it as insignificant. (4) " conceptual sense" --> the potential for the post realization informing of mind. (5) " cognition of knowledgeable essence" --> in part, "seeing the false as false" (6) " innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the Universe" ... (7) " expansion or contraction of the tissue capsule" (8) " disentanglement from camouflage" --> "the process of becoming conscious" (9) " diffusion by the energy personality [essence]" --> in part related to an embodied sense of the ephemeral nature of what was previously considered a tangible, physical reality, in part related to the process of becoming conscious. Each of (5), (7) and (9) seem to me related to the experiential facet of emptiness, well-described by Suzanne as "thickening into unity" here. You are way off. You have to see this mostly in the context of astral projection. Here's what I have decoded so far (not claiming to have the ultimate Seth decoder ring though): (1) Inner vibrational touch means literally stepping into another one's shoes, i.e. your consciousness disperses and merges with another point of perception. (2) Psychological time is basically seeing thru the illusion of time, i.e. experiencing time independently from clock time. That's the easiest one to understand. We've all had experiences where an hour of clock time felt like 5 minutes or half a day. (3) Perception of past, present and future is experience independently not only from time but also independently from cause and effect. (4) The conceptual sense seems to be similar to what A-H call the Vortex. (5) Similar to #2 (6) Basic vitality is Seth's term for what we call Source. (7) Tissue capsule is referring to the astral body. (8) This could be pointing to something like NS. ETA: Here's the most important part of Suzanne's quote: "This is what is experienced first—the stuff of unity, its texture, its flavor, its substance. This non-localized, infinite substance can be perceived not with the eyes or ears or nose, but by the substance itself, out of itself. When the substance of unity encounters itself, it knows itself through its own sense organ." - That's what Seth is talking about when he speaks of the inner senses and how they are operating on all planes and are seeing prior to any camouflage. |
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Post by laughter on May 29, 2018 13:10:57 GMT -5
(1) Inner vibrational touch means literally stepping into another one's shoes, i.e. your consciousness disperses and merges with another point of perception. gotcha' seeker: I find it hard to grasp what exactly you mean by saying that you are neither the object nor the subject. At this very moment, as we talk, am I not the object of your experience, and you the subject? Niz: Look -- my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness 'love'; you may give it any name you like. Love says, 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (Chapter 57, paragraphs 14 and 15 of "I AM THAT", "Beyond Mind, There is No Suffering") --- heh heh .. well, like I said I stopped reading because of the focus on "life-after-death" and the suggestion of different levels of consciousness.  Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. ETA: Here's the most important part of Suzanne's quote: "This is what is experienced first—the stuff of unity, its texture, its flavor, its substance. This non-localized, infinite substance can be perceived not with the eyes or ears or nose, but by the substance itself, out of itself. When the substance of unity encounters itself, it knows itself through its own sense organ." - That's what Seth is talking about when he speaks of the inner senses and how they are operating on all planes and are seeing prior to any camouflage. What really rezzes for me about that quote, as a whole, is how it is at once both so value-neutral, and yet at the same time, so profoundly expressive and evocative of the void, in motion and appearance .. of the space between, that's never not there. |
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Post by steven on May 29, 2018 17:44:01 GMT -5
(1) Inner vibrational touch means literally stepping into another one's shoes, i.e. your consciousness disperses and merges with another point of perception. gotcha' seeker: I find it hard to grasp what exactly you mean by saying that you are neither the object nor the subject. At this very moment, as we talk, am I not the object of your experience, and you the subject? Niz: Look -- my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness 'love'; you may give it any name you like. Love says, 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (Chapter 57, paragraphs 14 and 15 of "I AM THAT", "Beyond Mind, There is No Suffering") --- heh heh .. well, like I said I stopped reading because of the focus on "life-after-death" and the suggestion of different levels of consciousness. Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. ETA: Here's the most important part of Suzanne's quote: "This is what is experienced first—the stuff of unity, its texture, its flavor, its substance. This non-localized, infinite substance can be perceived not with the eyes or ears or nose, but by the substance itself, out of itself. When the substance of unity encounters itself, it knows itself through its own sense organ." - That's what Seth is talking about when he speaks of the inner senses and how they are operating on all planes and are seeing prior to any camouflage. What really rezzes for me about that quote, as a whole, is how it is at once both so value-neutral, and yet at the same time, so profoundly expressive and evocative of the void, in motion and appearance .. of the space between, that's never not there. This is only the beggining...a gateless gate...and that gate leads to infinite possibilities. |
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Post by laughter on May 29, 2018 20:47:33 GMT -5
gotcha' --- heh heh .. well, like I said I stopped reading because of the focus on "life-after-death" and the suggestion of different levels of consciousness. Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. What really rezzes for me about that quote, as a whole, is how it is at once both so value-neutral, and yet at the same time, so profoundly expressive and evocative of the void, in motion and appearance .. of the space between, that's never not there. This is only the beggining...a gateless gate...and that gate leads to infinite possibilities. From what I can tell, a common trap folks fall into from material like this is the hope that they can cultivate psychic powers. Every instant is a new beginning, Steve.  Eternity is constantly dying to itself, never to recur exactly the same way again. Can you feel it? |
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Post by Reefs on May 30, 2018 0:23:41 GMT -5
(1) Inner vibrational touch means literally stepping into another one's shoes, i.e. your consciousness disperses and merges with another point of perception. gotcha' seeker: I find it hard to grasp what exactly you mean by saying that you are neither the object nor the subject. At this very moment, as we talk, am I not the object of your experience, and you the subject? Niz: Look -- my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness 'love'; you may give it any name you like. Love says, 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (Chapter 57, paragraphs 14 and 15 of "I AM THAT", "Beyond Mind, There is No Suffering") --- heh heh .. well, like I said I stopped reading because of the focus on "life-after-death" and the suggestion of different levels of consciousness. Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. ETA: Here's the most important part of Suzanne's quote: "This is what is experienced first—the stuff of unity, its texture, its flavor, its substance. This non-localized, infinite substance can be perceived not with the eyes or ears or nose, but by the substance itself, out of itself. When the substance of unity encounters itself, it knows itself through its own sense organ." - That's what Seth is talking about when he speaks of the inner senses and how they are operating on all planes and are seeing prior to any camouflage. What really rezzes for me about that quote, as a whole, is how it is at once both so value-neutral, and yet at the same time, so profoundly expressive and evocative of the void, in motion and appearance .. of the space between, that's never not there. So Niz and Seth agree after all. Who would've thunk?! |
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Post by Reefs on May 30, 2018 0:26:11 GMT -5
gotcha' --- heh heh .. well, like I said I stopped reading because of the focus on "life-after-death" and the suggestion of different levels of consciousness. Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. What really rezzes for me about that quote, as a whole, is how it is at once both so value-neutral, and yet at the same time, so profoundly expressive and evocative of the void, in motion and appearance .. of the space between, that's never not there. This is only the beggining...a gateless gate...and that gate leads to infinite possibilities. That's right. The Unknown Reality (in Seth-speak). |
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Post by Reefs on May 30, 2018 0:55:55 GMT -5
This is only the beggining...a gateless gate...and that gate leads to infinite possibilities. From what I can tell, a common trap folks fall into from material like this is the hope that they can cultivate psychic powers. Every instant is a new beginning, Steve. Eternity is constantly dying to itself, never to recur exactly the same way again. Can you feel it? Actually, one of the main goals of the Seth material is to help you cultivate so-called 'psychic powers'. Because that's the only way to go beyond the camouflage. Our normal senses are part of the camouflage (as is our thinking, logic and reasoning), the inner senses are not. And so only the inner senses can see what's prior to/beyond the camouflage. That's why Seth spends so much time on the inner senses and astral projection. In fact, those 'psychic powers' are our natural abilities. So we don't actually have to acquire or even cultivate them. As A-H say, what is usually called miracles or supernatural powers is really just the art of natural living in action. That's how it's supposed to be. It's the natural result of total alignment. I think even Shankara may agree there. It's just that the more we are sucked into the camouflage of our universe, the more ridiculous this all sounds. Reminds me of a funny story by Tolstoy, The Three Hermits. |
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Also, Seth might not have focused on certain of the facets I'm relating to, but I definitely see the relations, and as I haven't read but a fraction of the material yet, these are, essentially, guesses based on intuition as to what I'm likely to find in it.
Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts on the different points though. 
Eternity is constantly dying to itself, never to recur exactly the same way again. Can you feel it?