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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 13:30:01 GMT -5
So this is what you call an accurate ANALysis of what was the case, Laffy? "Well look at the villagers and you can see that they're not all the same, like, at all: .. and this picture doesn't capture how they sometimes even fight amongst themselves, but it does depict the different lines corresponding to who's out in front at any given time. Go back and read what lolz wrote and notice how at that time satchi's fork was dripping red as well. From there, quin takes up lolz' cause in a more reasonable tone after he fades into the back of the crowd and that cascades to ZD's critique of the forum overall and suddenly JLY flies in out of nowhere with a firm double-bind jab in the side all the while with a gleeful running color commentary from anja and then ... well, it's quite endless actually.  .. because now we're very possibly and likely careening into yet another brand new scrama with you playing the lead role as victim-hero." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world#ixzz4IkOaAQ7v |
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 13:33:49 GMT -5
Let me give you, Laffy, MY ANALysis of what is the case here:
Spiritual bullcreepers engage in group-therapie here on ST-F but call it a discussion about profound and substantial existential matters. "That's all"...there ever was, untill now, maybe.
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 13:41:38 GMT -5
Laffy, if you or Enigma would have been my psycho-therapist, I would have committed suicide long ago. And even my real-life therapist was/is a narcisstic, vain dominant jigolo of some sort, who drove his Porsche into a tree, drunk and loaded with morphine, so I heard through the grape-wine. The police here in my home-town are my friends, by the way.
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 13:48:46 GMT -5
Laughter said: "No, I'm reasoning that for you to apply "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" to something you hadn't read in order to conclude that E' was unconscious suggests the occlusion.Sure, it's possible that I misread why you entered this the way you did .. I mean, it is your motivation after all, so in that argument I'll always come out a loser. But dude, look at how far we've come at this point .. where there's fire, there's smoke.  " Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world#ixzz4IkSzDnsFAnd yes, your "client" Enigma is as unconscious of his motivations as one can possibly be, or he just hides them and his agenda behind his drivel, keeping in mind he's a member of the too much spare-time club here AND has his own forum also, at the same time, which tells me a lot about attention seeking...yadda-yadda... |
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 14:11:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 14:21:13 GMT -5
As for some of the other things you posted - well, quite some stories you've cooked up there! Stories are fun as long as you don't believe in them too much. I don't have interest in commenting all the point in your posts, but I'll just comment on this bit: Enigma said: [...] And so, if you're going to test to see if presence can do a better job of protecting you than your mind, you must actually be present. In that empty, open alertness, all of your senses and knowledge, plus your insight and intuition, is fully available to you. Pay attention and you will see that you are being taken care of. The painter of the pictures will catch you if you fall."[...] 5.) The last bolded paraphraph speaks for itself, I think. It sounds encouraging on the first read, but on a second read it sounds like as if it is just some abstract affirmational drivel, given by someone who pretends to know what he is talking about but doesn't. These are empty words. All of them. The whole statement. They have not signifying content. Nothing is pointed to. They are not empty words, but they appear empty to the inflexible rational mind. You're so stuck in your head and in your ideas that I can see how what is suggested wouldn't make sense for you, as it cannot be tested by remaining in the comfort-zone of your mind playing pinball with your concepts. If you cannot intuitively see through the insubstantiality of (your) thoughts, an alternative approach could be to try to take this intellectualisation much much further, rather than staying in the play-pen with the handful of your simplistic pet-theories. Rather than staying in your comfort zone, you could try to thoroughly explore every relevant angle, including the ones that challenge your favourite ideas. In this way maybe intelligence can devour itself, but the game has to be upped considerably for that to happen. It seems to me that currently you're operating like a run of the mill conspiracy-theorist, and I doubt much spiritual insight will be generated that way. Oh by the way, here's a riddle for you: You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2016 14:29:41 GMT -5
As for some of the other things you posted - well, quite some stories you've cooked up there! Stories are fun as long as you don't believe in them too much. I don't have interest in commenting all the point in your posts, but I'll just comment on this bit: They are not empty words, but they appear empty to the inflexible rational mind. You're so stuck in your head and in your ideas that I can see how what is suggested wouldn't make sense for you, as it cannot be tested by remaining in the comfort-zone of your mind playing pinball with your concepts. If you cannot intuitively see through the insubstantiality of (your) thoughts, an alternative approach could be to try to take this intellectualisation much much further, rather than staying in the play-pen with the handful of your simplistic pet-theories. Rather than staying in your comfort zone, you could try to thoroughly explore every relevant angle, including the ones that challenge your favourite ideas. In this way maybe intelligence can devour itself, but the game has to be upped considerably for that to happen. It seems to me that currently you're operating like a run of the mill conspiracy-theorist, and I doubt much spiritual insight will be generated that way. Oh by the way, here's a riddle for you: You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is. They're not empty because they state, in contemporary speech, a pointer to a clear and empty state of mind when one is in surrender and has let go of the attempt to control. That state will indeed come and go for many until if and when they've seen through the illusion of the separate volitional self. For some peeps these temporary states of apparent peace that come and go can get quite frustrating, to the point where they react to words like this with contempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 14:35:41 GMT -5
You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is. They're not empty because they state, in contemporary speech, a pointer to a clear and empty state of mind when one is in surrender and has let go of the attempt to control. That state will indeed come and go for many until if and when they've seen through the illusion of the separate volitional self. For some peeps these temporary states of apparent peace that come and go can get quite frustrating, to the point where they react to words like this with contempt. Nonsense. Your interpretation bears no relation to what E said. You're making it up. And get off your moral high horse. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 29, 2016 14:49:16 GMT -5
They're not empty because they state, in contemporary speech, a pointer to a clear and empty state of mind when one is in surrender and has let go of the attempt to control. That state will indeed come and go for many until if and when they've seen through the illusion of the separate volitional self. For some peeps these temporary states of apparent peace that come and go can get quite frustrating, to the point where they react to words like this with contempt. Nonsense. Your interpretation bears no relation to what E said. You're making it up. And get off your moral high horse. Just because you can't recognize a contemporary expression of the pointers from the old scriptures doesn't make them a nonsense. Of course I'm making that up. All of the old scriptures were made up by dudes with interests in this topic, but most of them didn't waste time with peeps that were facing them openly with contempt. What moral high horse, you mean, recognizing the contempt in what you're writing? It's not a moral issue, it's just a recognition of what you're bringing. Even if you thought it was immoral to react to someone with contempt, I don't, so I've got no saddle sores bro'. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 29, 2016 15:01:10 GMT -5
You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is. That state will indeed come and go for many until if and when they've seen through the illusion of the separate volitional self. For some peeps these temporary states of apparent peace that come and go can get quite frustrating, to the point where they react to words like this with contempt. Old-school traditional advaita-vedanta is some sort of a club with very few members, Laughter. And these members recognize each other even over the internet via exchanging words, if that is done for a while. "It's a club and you're ain't in it." "When one is in surrender" to whom or what? There is not such thing "as a seperate volitional self" even it is believed there it is. The only questions is, which "self/Self" is talked about? The asuric non-individual-mere-group-mind or the other one. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 29, 2016 20:27:47 GMT -5
That is not the case. I see Anja has been banned and I must assume that Zendancer hit the button. He did send me a message about Anja that I've still to reply to. Sorry I've been in transit for a few days. No problem, Peter. On my side. I just discovered this thread, browsed a little. I suggest bft accept the ban...or this might not end nicely. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 29, 2016 20:32:16 GMT -5
Don't ask me why that was neccessary. I just don't know. But NOBODY keeps me from saying what I wanna say. I'm too stubborn. I wouldn't bet on that. |
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Post by wei sa on Aug 30, 2016 1:05:48 GMT -5
As for some of the other things you posted - well, quite some stories you've cooked up there! Stories are fun as long as you don't believe in them too much. I don't have interest in commenting all the point in your posts, but I'll just comment on this bit: They are not empty words, but they appear empty to the inflexible rational mind. You're so stuck in your head and in your ideas that I can see how what is suggested wouldn't make sense for you, as it cannot be tested by remaining in the comfort-zone of your mind playing pinball with your concepts. If you cannot intuitively see through the insubstantiality of (your) thoughts, an alternative approach could be to try to take this intellectualisation much much further, rather than staying in the play-pen with the handful of your simplistic pet-theories. Rather than staying in your comfort zone, you could try to thoroughly explore every relevant angle, including the ones that challenge your favourite ideas. In this way maybe intelligence can devour itself, but the game has to be upped considerably for that to happen. It seems to me that currently you're operating like a run of the mill conspiracy-theorist, and I doubt much spiritual insight will be generated that way. Oh by the way, here's a riddle for you: You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is.I'm surprised you didn't understand Enigma's pointer, especially since "presence" is such a common term in contemporary nonduality. Did you read the whole post, not just the last paragraph? If so and it still seems empty, maybe you should spend a couple more years in a nonduality university earning a higher scholarly rank and a membership to a cooler vip-club. But seriously, presence refers to ATA-MT or ATA+T (or mindfulness) - for me in practice it's ATA-T as I don't tend to remain present while mental chatter is happening. It's a very practical thing and completely testable, but if you're like me, unfortunately you have to stop thinking.  There's more to the pointer than presence, and laughter explained some of it quite well. But I must say I find it pretty funny that you're asking me to explain to you why the words are not empty, as in the post you quoted I said they appear empty to the rational mind. So I don't think I'm able to help. If the pointer doesn't resonate with you, it's probably a waste of time playing more mental pinball with it. If anything seems empty to me - or spiritual cocaine - it's Anja's and your's pointer-licking. But yeah, peeps here are so uncool! I know it gives such a buzz to be learned and in the know, not to mention belonging to a cooler club. Surely that is the straightest path to waking up? But I do wonder why in the past days the traditional methods had such low success rates whereas these days people seem to be popping like kernels (comparatively speaking)? I wonder if there could be some kind of trap in pursuing more and more knowledge and always having more and more things in the spiritual to-do list or identifying strongly with a particular school... Did someone mention a merry-go-round? BTW, didn't you tell someone to get off their high horse? |
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Post by laughter on Aug 30, 2016 1:54:34 GMT -5
You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is.I'm surprised you didn't understand Enigma's pointer, especially since "presence" is such a common term in contemporary nonduality. Did you read the whole post, not just the last paragraph? If so and it still seems empty, maybe you should spend a couple more years in a nonduality university earning a higher scholarly rank and a membership to a cooler vip-club. But seriously, presence refers to ATA-MT or ATA+T (or mindfulness) - for me in practice it's ATA-T as I don't tend to remain present while mental chatter is happening. It's a very practical thing and completely testable, but if you're like me, unfortunately you have to stop thinking. There's more to the pointer than presence, and laughter explained some of it quite well. But I must say I find it pretty funny that you're asking me to explain to you why the words are not empty, as in the post you quoted I said they appear empty to the rational mind. So I don't think I'm able to help. If the pointer doesn't resonate with you, it's probably a waste of time playing more mental pinball with it. If anything seems empty to me - or spiritual cocaine - it's Anja's and your's pointer-licking. But yeah, peeps here are so uncool! I know it gives such a buzz to be learned and in the know, not to mention belonging to a cooler club. Surely that is the straightest path to waking up? But I do wonder why in the past days the traditional methods had such low success rates whereas these days people seem to be popping like kernels (comparatively speaking)? I wonder if there could be some kind of trap in pursuing more and more knowledge and always having more and more things in the spiritual to-do list or identifying strongly with a particular school... Did someone mention a merry-go-round? BTW, didn't you tell someone to get off their high horse? It's that d@mned evil frog I tell you he's like mental glue! Someone should round up a posse and do something about him!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 2:22:11 GMT -5
You might think anja is a bit off the wall but her analysis of Enigma's words is spot on and shows a real insight. That final paragraph is typical of the "contemporary spirituality" we find in the marketplace. The words are meaningless and empty as she says. It's a kind of a spiritual cocaine. It seems to mean something without really knowing why and it might be uplifting for a few seconds without knowing why. You see visa, you reacted against anja by saying they weren't empty words. Well tell me why they are not. Tell me what it means to get presence and do a test. You're going to be protected if you are present. How is that going to work visa? Tell me. Peeps here talk about non duality but don't bother reading up on traditional Advaita Vedanta. They read a few words of Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharshi or more likely paraphrase something that was paraphrased from a paraphrased quote on a forum. What a merry go round this is.I'm surprised you didn't understand Enigma's pointer, especially since "presence" is such a common term in contemporary nonduality. Did you read the whole post, not just the last paragraph? If so and it still seems empty, maybe you should spend a couple more years in a nonduality university earning a higher scholarly rank and a membership to a cooler vip-club. But seriously, presence refers to ATA-MT or ATA+T (or mindfulness) - for me in practice it's ATA-T as I don't tend to remain present while mental chatter is happening. It's a very practical thing and completely testable, but if you're like me, unfortunately you have to stop thinking. There's more to the pointer than presence, and laughter explained some of it quite well. But I must say I find it pretty funny that you're asking me to explain to you why the words are not empty, as in the post you quoted I said they appear empty to the rational mind. So I don't think I'm able to help. If the pointer doesn't resonate with you, it's probably a waste of time playing more mental pinball with it. If anything seems empty to me - or spiritual cocaine - it's Anja's and your's pointer-licking. But yeah, peeps here are so uncool! I know it gives such a buzz to be learned and in the know, not to mention belonging to a cooler club. Surely that is the straightest path to waking up? But I do wonder why in the past days the traditional methods had such low success rates whereas these days people seem to be popping like kernels (comparatively speaking)? I wonder if there could be some kind of trap in pursuing more and more knowledge and always having more and more things in the spiritual to-do list or identifying strongly with a particular school... Did someone mention a merry-go-round? BTW, didn't you tell someone to get off their high horse? People are popping like kernels are they? Is that what they're telling you? You haven't answered my question though. Yes Enigma used the word presence. Does that make it alright then? |
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