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Post by billfromtexas on Feb 17, 2016 16:28:38 GMT -5
Don't ask me why that was neccessary. I just don't know. But NOBODY keeps me from saying what I wanna say.
I'm too stubborn.
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 26, 2016 10:42:08 GMT -5
Anja has been banned without a warning from Peter, while posting a reply to Visa, on the thread: life is relationship - love is the answer, that goes like this:
Why don't you adress me directely, Visa? When you want to critizise me?
And she posted something in the thread: What is the best sentense you can write, that goes like this:
"I can make you feel paranoid by talking behind your back, while making sure you know I did that."
Thanks.
"That's all."
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Post by wei sa on Aug 27, 2016 1:47:45 GMT -5
Why? Because I didn't see much point in it, as you probably wouldn't wilfully stop spamming this forum. Surely you cannot be so blind as to not notice that you're spamming, trolling, being provocative etc in order to gain attention and validation? Even if you are, I have seen several posts where other members have pointed that out to you. I don't know what kind of insecurities are driving you to this kind of behaviour, but it take it that someone else simply mentioning these to you will have little transformative power, partly because it seems to me you're stuck in some very intense delusions (e.g. delusions of grandeur, but not only that). Even if we forget the hateful attacks and the delusional and confused "sata-nic" "ANALyses" that kill any thread they touch, there's still mountains and mountains of pointless spamming and thread-hijacking. Take for example Farmer's what's the best sentence you can write? -thread. After 4 posts by people other than yourself, you basically hijacked the thread and posted 12 pages of random rambling in a couple of days. What's the point of that kind of monologue? Do you expect people to actually read it? I doubt anyone does. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 6:13:05 GMT -5
Why? Because I didn't see much point in it, as you probably wouldn't wilfully stop spamming this forum. Surely you cannot be so blind as to not notice that you're spamming, trolling, being provocative etc in order to gain attention and validation? Even if you are, I have seen several posts where other members have pointed that out to you. I don't know what kind of insecurities are driving you to this kind of behaviour, but it take it that someone else simply mentioning these to you will have little transformative power, partly because it seems to me you're stuck in some very intense delusions (e.g. delusions of grandeur, but not only that). Even if we forget the hateful attacks and the delusional and confused "sata-nic" "ANALyses" that kill any thread they touch, there's still mountains and mountains of pointless spamming and thread-hijacking. Take for example Farmer's what's the best sentence you can write? -thread. After 4 posts by people other than yourself, you basically hijacked the thread and posted 12 pages of random rambling in a couple of days. What's the point of that kind of monologue? Do you expect people to actually read it? I doubt anyone does. well, I did create the sentence threads specifically with Anja in mind.. I figured such a thread would favor his preferred mode of expression.. are the bulk of his expressions spam-trolling? I guess we all have our opinions about that.. but at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is what Staff decides.. and it appears that this member has been banned yet again what is patience? and why does it run out? |
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Post by quinn on Aug 27, 2016 7:04:53 GMT -5
Why? Because I didn't see much point in it, as you probably wouldn't wilfully stop spamming this forum. Surely you cannot be so blind as to not notice that you're spamming, trolling, being provocative etc in order to gain attention and validation? Even if you are, I have seen several posts where other members have pointed that out to you. I don't know what kind of insecurities are driving you to this kind of behaviour, but it take it that someone else simply mentioning these to you will have little transformative power, partly because it seems to me you're stuck in some very intense delusions (e.g. delusions of grandeur, but not only that). Even if we forget the hateful attacks and the delusional and confused "sata-nic" "ANALyses" that kill any thread they touch, there's still mountains and mountains of pointless spamming and thread-hijacking. Take for example Farmer's what's the best sentence you can write? -thread. After 4 posts by people other than yourself, you basically hijacked the thread and posted 12 pages of random rambling in a couple of days. What's the point of that kind of monologue? Do you expect people to actually read it? I doubt anyone does. well, I did create the sentence threads specifically with Anja in mind.. I figured such a thread would favor his preferred mode of expression.. are the bulk of his expressions spam-trolling? I guess we all have our opinions about that.. but at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is what Staff decides.. and it appears that this member has been banned yet again what is patience? and why does it run out? Good stuff Farmer. Yes, our opinions are all over the map, aren't they. I see Anja as someone acting the fool to show us our foolishness. And maybe having too much fun with it?  I'd say patience is the rational telling the emotional to hang in there for a bit and see what happens next. Some times it pays off with a better understanding (Oh, THAT'S what you meant!) and sometimes it just delays the inevitable blow-up. Sometimes it allows the one we're being patient with to find their own way. Maybe - heh heh. Why does it run out? I don't know - the impermanence of ego? - "Hey, I've only got x amount of time here and I can't waste any more of it waiting for you to get it together!" Yesterday, we helped move my son to NYC to start a master's program. This particular offspring has an extremely faulty sense of time and there were time-constraints with this move. We needed to leave the house by 9:30AM. I had told him 9AM. My future son-in-law was there to help, and I found out later that he was texting my daughter a play-by-play status of my patience level. "Holding up well" "Still good - patience is amazingly still intact" "Uh oh, danger!" "Patience restored".  |
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Post by wei sa on Aug 27, 2016 9:37:36 GMT -5
well, I did create the sentence threads specifically with Anja in mind.. I figured such a thread would favor his preferred mode of expression.. are the bulk of his expressions spam-trolling? I guess we all have our opinions about that.. but at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is what Staff decides.. and it appears that this member has been banned yet again what is patience? and why does it run out? Oh okay, let's forget about that thread then. Not sure about "bulk", or where exactly the line for spam-trolling is, but it does seem to me that a large amount of it is derailing the threads they are posted in and very little of it seems to be any kind of sincere engagement with discussion with others. From my POW usually the underlying message seems to be "look at me, look at me!" As for patience (and as a kinda reply to quinn's post also) - I also found this kind of self-inquiry "meta"-angle interesting wrt. anja's posts for a while. I mean, I found myself to be annoyed by many of them, so it gave me an opportunity to investigate the irritation/judgement/whatever arising, and so I was experimenting with a kind of "ommm... acceptance... non-judgementality" stance with them for a while. But ultimately this started to seem like pretty phoney split-minding - and more importantly not very interesting, as the mechanics of the posts were pretty repetitive. For me a big part of the issue is that because of her (his?) very confrontational and dominating style and unrestrained output of posts, they have a disproportionate (imo negative) effect on the forum at large. I've seen many threads more or less killed by Anja, because the previous momentum the thread hits a brick wall of multiple absurd, ranting, hateful posts by him/her. Quinn, IMO if you think that Anja's "acting the fool to show us our foolishness" somehow intentionally, I think you're giving way too much credit to him/her. Case in point the post that got her banned - and there's so much more of this bile-filled stuff out there. If you think that intentional/unintentional is not important and are taking the aforementioned self-inquiry-stance - fair enough, but for me it started to get pretty boring pretty quickly. In any case I think this forum has too much valuable discussion going on to allow someone just constantly piss over it because we somehow don't take that person so seriously. But yeah, in general it seems to me that many people on this board have a kind of "kid's say the darnest thing" -attitude to Anja's posts, and so have let her get off with e.g. being hateful, insulting, derailing threads etc. What else explains e.g. that ~2 months ago in this thread she's claiming that Enigma is a "self-realized asura, demon, sat-anic (anti-truth) entity, finding itself "in the flesh" and knowing/realized that there is no escape" and nobody calls it out? (Probably part of it is that it's aimed at Enigma and as Laughter pointed out, it seems to be more okay to be insulting towards him than towards most other forum members.) Of course once again nobody bothered to engage with the absurd, delusional rant and the thread ended there. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2016 10:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by quinn on Aug 27, 2016 11:49:40 GMT -5
well, I did create the sentence threads specifically with Anja in mind.. I figured such a thread would favor his preferred mode of expression.. are the bulk of his expressions spam-trolling? I guess we all have our opinions about that.. but at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is what Staff decides.. and it appears that this member has been banned yet again what is patience? and why does it run out? Oh okay, let's forget about that thread then. Not sure about "bulk", or where exactly the line for spam-trolling is, but it does seem to me that a large amount of it is derailing the threads they are posted in and very little of it seems to be any kind of sincere engagement with discussion with others. From my POW usually the underlying message seems to be "look at me, look at me!" As for patience (and as a kinda reply to quinn's post also) - I also found this kind of self-inquiry "meta"-angle interesting wrt. anja's posts for a while. I mean, I found myself to be annoyed by many of them, so it gave me an opportunity to investigate the irritation/judgement/whatever arising, and so I was experimenting with a kind of "ommm... acceptance... non-judgementality" stance with them for a while. But ultimately this started to seem like pretty phoney split-minding - and more importantly not very interesting, as the mechanics of the posts were pretty repetitive. For me a big part of the issue is that because of her (his?) very confrontational and dominating style and unrestrained output of posts, they have a disproportionate (imo negative) effect on the forum at large. I've seen many threads more or less killed by Anja, because the previous momentum the thread hits a brick wall of multiple absurd, ranting, hateful posts by him/her. Quinn, IMO if you think that Anja's "acting the fool to show us our foolishness" somehow intentionally, I think you're giving way too much credit to him/her. Case in point the post that got her banned - and there's so much more of this bile-filled stuff out there. If you think that intentional/unintentional is not important and are taking the aforementioned self-inquiry-stance - fair enough, but for me it started to get pretty boring pretty quickly. In any case I think this forum has too much valuable discussion going on to allow someone just constantly piss over it because we somehow don't take that person so seriously. But yeah, in general it seems to me that many people on this board have a kind of "kid's say the darnest thing" -attitude to Anja's posts, and so have let her get off with e.g. being hateful, insulting, derailing threads etc. What else explains e.g. that ~2 months ago in this thread she's claiming that Enigma is a "self-realized asura, demon, sat-anic (anti-truth) entity, finding itself "in the flesh" and knowing/realized that there is no escape" and nobody calls it out? (Probably part of it is that it's aimed at Enigma and as Laughter pointed out, it seems to be more okay to be insulting towards him than towards most other forum members.) Of course once again nobody bothered to engage with the absurd, delusional rant and the thread ended there. I've been accused of that credit-thing before (by Lolly about Satch), so maybe I should start listening.  There are some weird dynamics on this board, but I'm no expert, which is to say I don't know the 'why's' of it. You could be right about attention. As far as "hateful, insulting, derailing threads" - this is where I see the jester exaggerating what's already going on. Those three things have been happening at STF for a long time, but mostly kept juuuust under the bar of ban-worthy. I wasn't thinking "kids say the darnest things", more like "This tree's getting shook, I wonder what will fall out". Just my take, fwiw. I can understand getting tired of her posts and I think we can agree that it didn't help raise the bar on the quality of discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 12:20:10 GMT -5
well, I did create the sentence threads specifically with Anja in mind.. I figured such a thread would favor his preferred mode of expression.. are the bulk of his expressions spam-trolling? I guess we all have our opinions about that.. but at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is what Staff decides.. and it appears that this member has been banned yet again what is patience? and why does it run out? Oh okay, let's forget about that thread then. Not sure about "bulk", or where exactly the line for spam-trolling is, but it does seem to me that a large amount of it is derailing the threads they are posted in and very little of it seems to be any kind of sincere engagement with discussion with others. From my POW usually the underlying message seems to be "look at me, look at me!" As for patience (and as a kinda reply to quinn's post also) - I also found this kind of self-inquiry "meta"-angle interesting wrt. anja's posts for a while. I mean, I found myself to be annoyed by many of them, so it gave me an opportunity to investigate the irritation/judgement/whatever arising, and so I was experimenting with a kind of "ommm... acceptance... non-judgementality" stance with them for a while. But ultimately this started to seem like pretty phoney split-minding - and more importantly not very interesting, as the mechanics of the posts were pretty repetitive. For me a big part of the issue is that because of her (his?) very confrontational and dominating style and unrestrained output of posts, they have a disproportionate (imo negative) effect on the forum at large. I've seen many threads more or less killed by Anja, because the previous momentum the thread hits a brick wall of multiple absurd, ranting, hateful posts by him/her. Quinn, IMO if you think that Anja's "acting the fool to show us our foolishness" somehow intentionally, I think you're giving way too much credit to him/her. Case in point the post that got her banned - and there's so much more of this bile-filled stuff out there. If you think that intentional/unintentional is not important and are taking the aforementioned self-inquiry-stance - fair enough, but for me it started to get pretty boring pretty quickly. In any case I think this forum has too much valuable discussion going on to allow someone just constantly piss over it because we somehow don't take that person so seriously. But yeah, in general it seems to me that many people on this board have a kind of "kid's say the darnest thing" -attitude to Anja's posts, and so have let her get off with e.g. being hateful, insulting, derailing threads etc. What else explains e.g. that ~2 months ago in this thread she's claiming that Enigma is a "self-realized asura, demon, sat-anic (anti-truth) entity, finding itself "in the flesh" and knowing/realized that there is no escape" and nobody calls it out? (Probably part of it is that it's aimed at Enigma and as Laughter pointed out, it seems to be more okay to be insulting towards him than towards most other forum members.) Of course once again nobody bothered to engage with the absurd, delusional rant and the thread ended there. I'm still not convinced that BillFromTexas is a woman.. and it's not like he had no familiarity with the topics discussed here.. but obviously his unrelenting, quirky, upsetting of sensibilities, against the grain -style- did not conform to forum expectations and I don't think he was powerful enough to derail threads on his own.. he must have had help  |
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2016 17:51:40 GMT -5
movie recommendation: "The Scarlet Pimpernel" with Anthony Andrews. that was not an easy movie to find. (well, actually, had I looked on utube first, it would have been easy.. but I ended up taking the long way home ) only to be bored and disappointed!  an underground railroad for French aristocrats hoping to keep their heads ?? so... did anything of note occur after the 15 minute mark?  guillotine peeps be all like ..  .. but the pimpernel be all like ..  .. |
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Post by jay17 on Aug 27, 2016 19:18:00 GMT -5
BillFromTexas' desire or need is to entertain us all. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4405/entertain-opinionsThough, sadly, like many online entertainers, he is far more interested in amusing himself...whether that's thier original intent or it evolves into that due to low level of appreciation for their efforts. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 28, 2016 5:55:55 GMT -5
Why? Because I didn't see much point in it, as you probably wouldn't wilfully stop spamming this forum. Surely you cannot be so blind as to not notice that you're spamming, trolling, being provocative etc in order to gain attention and validation? Even if you are, I have seen several posts where other members have pointed that out to you. I don't know what kind of insecurities are driving you to this kind of behaviour, but it take it that someone else simply mentioning these to you will have little transformative power, partly because it seems to me you're stuck in some very intense delusions (e.g. delusions of grandeur, but not only that).Even if we forget the hateful attacks and the delusional and confused "sata-nic" "ANALyses" that kill any thread they touch, there's still mountains and mountains of pointless spamming and thread-hijacking. Take for example Farmer's what's the best sentence you can write? -thread. After 4 posts by people other than yourself, you basically hijacked the thread and posted 12 pages of random rambling in a couple of days. What's the point of that kind of monologue? Do you expect people to actually read it? I doubt anyone does. Thank you for accuratly describing my intentions and the way I express myself, Visa. And I really mean it. I project you not. After being heavily censored here on this forum lately as Anja, in several threads, after calling Zendancer out on the thread, If I am the world, where he promotes Suzanne Segal's kind of experience as the real deal, Anja got banned completely. That's says it all, I think. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Aug 28, 2016 6:41:53 GMT -5
Zendancer said: "This has NOT been my experience, but from what I've read, there ARE a few people who can relate to this. Various people have claimed that they are wide awake 24/7 even when the body is in deep sleep. Suzanne Segal claimed that this happened to her after selfhood collapsed. Various Zen Masters have also claimed the same thing. A few days ago I received an email from someone who was anesthesized for a medical procedure. After his body was rendered unconscious, wakefulness continued throughout the procedure. However (perhaps fortunately), there was no perception or thoughts of any kind during that period of time. I told him that what he described sounded like the pure awareness of deep Samadhi, but since I've never remembered pure awareness continuing after the body falls sleep, there's no way to know for sure. During sleep, the body must be aware to some degree, because it can respond appropriately to external stimuli, but for most people it is certainly not the kind of empty clear awareness that is remembered after deep Samadhi, or after events like the one that was described in the email I received. How pure awareness can be remembered when there are no thoughts or perceptions, is a mystery to me, but the fact that it happens is unquestionable. I can only say that awareness can be aware of itself and can non-conceptually know of it's existence in the absence of all else. It can be imagined or theorized that one is just as aware in deep sleep as in the waking state, but I suspect that most people have no basis in direct experience (and by "experience" I mean whatever happens to the body/mind when thoughts and perceptions are absent) by which to verify this. People who have gone into deep states of Samadhi will understand what I'm saying here, but I doubt that anyone who has not experienced pure awareness without thoughts or perceptions will understand the sort of thing that's being pointed to. " spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world?page=5259Suzanne Segal was iniciated into transcendental meditation before she had the experience of loosing her personal self. She even was a teacher of that kind of money-mashine before she had that particular experience that she was utterly afraid of for years in a row. After seeing several therapists, after years of suffering from that kind of loosing her personal self, she got confirmed by Richard Alpert, Ram Das, that her experience is the real deal. Old-school traditional adavaita-vedanta prepares the mind for this kind of experience. If it happens without preparation, then the person is lost in not knowing what happend, like in Suzanne Segals case. Ending up in a mental hospital or worse. |
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Post by wei sa on Aug 28, 2016 8:10:32 GMT -5
As far as "hateful, insulting, derailing threads" - this is where I see the jester exaggerating what's already going on. Those three things have been happening at STF for a long time, but mostly kept juuuust under the bar of ban-worthy. I wasn't thinking "kids say the darnest things", more like "This tree's getting shook, I wonder what will fall out". Okay, but by that token every dīckhead, racist, sexist or hateful, violent or abusive person is doing a great service for others since the traits they portray are already present in everyone who lives under the illusion of separate personhood to some (lesser) extent, and so they are showing us something about ourselves. I'm familiar with this line of reasoning, but in general I still don't see any reason to encourage dīckhead-behaviour. (Moreover, I think it's only valuable in so far as it generates insight, and in Anja's case I think there has been very little of that.) |
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Post by wei sa on Aug 28, 2016 8:25:16 GMT -5
and it's not like he had no familiarity with the topics discussed here.. but obviously his unrelenting, quirky, upsetting of sensibilities, against the grain -style- did not conform to forum expectations Wait a second - the problem is not style, but content. Posting several off-topic posts in a row about some stand-up comedians to a thread about a spiritual teacher or some concept of nondualism or whatever unrelated topic is a problem with content. Being abusive, hateful or insulting is a problem with content. |
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There are some weird dynamics on this board, but I'm no expert, which is to say I don't know the 'why's' of it. You could be right about attention.
