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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 12:24:11 GMT -5
I think I know what you try to explain here, Andrew. But I'm wondering who your advaita-vedanta teacher is. My teacher/friend, James Swartz, would take all the blame for me explaining a-dvaita vedanta the wrong way and that's the way it is supposed to be, because a true real old-school advaita-vedanta teacher does not accept a student, who is not able to come up with a good way to explain what advaita-vedanta is all about. And now I try to explain why you are not in line with old-school traditional advaita-vedanta in what you are saying, here: 1.) "There is only one"...is NOT what traditional old-school advaita-vedanta is saying. Not-two and One don't have the same meaning. A-dvaita does not mean One. It means not-two. Not two could also mean three, four, five, six, and so on. Right? 2.) "The illusion of Two...and out of the illusion of Twoness is born many" is also not in line with it. The world is not an illusion. It's called mithya. Mithya means: it is real and un-real at the same time. Which sounds like a paradox but it isn't because the translation James is giving, mithya as being real and un-real at the same time, is not accurate, in my eyes. Mithya means, I think: It is like Disney-land, in which there are miniature citys of european citys. They are real in the context of Disney-land but they are not real citys in Europe. They are just mithya. Representations of the real but not the real thing. Models of the real thing but not the real thing itself. 3.) What you call the relative and the absolute context is like this: the relationship between a representation of something real, for example a model of a boat, and the real thing, a real boat. Both exist in the same reality, but one is a mere model and the other one is the real boat of which there is a model being made of. And no, the relative and the absolute do not "fall apart", because they don't have to. Like I explained above. They are still two seperate things, appearing in reality, but seperate from each other but are refering to the same thing. Does that make sense? If not blame James Swartz for picking a lousy student/friend like I am.  Some of it made sense...seems like it would be more fun to blame you than James, though I am not blind to my own intellectual limits...so we can place some of the blame on me too. I've never had an advaita-vedanta teacher, over the years I have read a good deal of what most of the 'big names' have said (most the Indian dudes, and some of the modern Western gang, but I don't know much at all about James). By the time I read them, the bulk of my work was done, so Advaita-vedanta teachers gave me an interesting framework to understand what was already mostly true for me. I also wouldn't describe what I am offering here as non-dual. I can talk that language if I want to, but more often than not I don't see it as helpful. What I offer as a model for existence, is more spiritual than non-dual. At this point I cannot imagine a context in which I would recommend a non-dual teacher to anyone. My opinion is that by and large, it creates more problems than it resolves. Spiritual work on the other hand is practical, and requires one to get their hands dirty in life itself. That's not to say that I see spiritual paradigms as more 'true' than the non-dual paradigm. I didn't quite go so far as to describe 'the world' as an illusion. What I said is that the many is born out OF the illusion of Twoness. Prior to this (illusionary) cut between Creator and Created, there is just undifferentiated existence. Twoness provides the potential for experience through the gift of individuality, which is necessary in order for there to be an experience. Experience itself is as real as it comes, and for all intents and purposes, the world is real. However, when the experience is over, undifferentiated existence is the case, and fundamentally, we are that (I refuse to capitalize the 't' ) The absolute and relative do not fall apart, but their value as concepts and tools should fall apart at some point in the process. They are useful for understanding and integration, but have no business in our day to day experience. Non-duality MAY be useful for challenging the kind of spiritual model I offered there, because it invites us to see through models of existence such as this one. The problem is....well I could talk about that a lot. When I hear or read something like "Creator and Created" I always think of what Terrence McKenna once said: "Give us one miracle for free and the rest we can explain scientifically." And that first miracle is, in my view, the Creator/Creation myth. I'm not saying it's not true. But my question is: Why not just say, "I don't know how everything came into existence. And it seems as if nobody knows that. We all just make up more or less plausible and believable myth's about that miracle." The miracle that "something exists and not just mere nothing" is still a miracle. And those who can't stand it that there is something they can't explain without comming up with the terms God, Creator/Created, pure Consciousness/Awareness, Source, etc....are the ones who then have to explain away that "first miracle" by another miracle. Know what I mean? Once someone on another forum asked the question: "Can it be true that there indeed is karma and reincarnation but without God?" And I think that's a very good question. And the answer to that is, on my side, yes of course. But it requires a certain degree of honesty to admit that we (humans) know very little about our origin. I think we can only get to know something for sure about that first miracle, that something exists and not mere nothing, when we stop engaging in spiritual speculation and instead actively start doing something about the nasty conditions that are currently hindering humanity from becomming fully conscious. Instead of dealing in speculation about our origin we can start "feeding, educating and housing all human beings, not a single one excluded, and then we can explore space. Inner and outer. And peace."  |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 12:27:26 GMT -5
Hows it going living inside your own thread? I'll try and slip peters key from his key chain when he is not looking and let you out .. I first saw this silly nonscence in a Spiritualist Site, where the born-a-gain xtians came aboard in NZ and complained to Aussie management that their feelings were hurt by some of the more adventurous posters. Something about WHINGING, corporations have no time for. "Cut off their Head if they offend those we are collecting in our Trade Me site!" is the go. Its a boys thing... mainly. In the case of spilt-yogurt, its best to turn on the firehose and poke it where the sun don't shine me thinks.  I read it as split-yogurt. Seems as if that way it made more sense to me. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 12:36:52 GMT -5
Ruuuuuuuuuuun, Sheeeeee's escaped!! Don't forget to batten down the hatches at night .. Always make sure if you venture out at night you do so in two's Dude! Don't tell them! I have found a hole in the fence...but I return to the zoo...after roaming around for a while. I'm a noble animal. I don't have to hunt for food. In the zoo I have the best food one single tiger could wish for. Why would I give that up by escaping? And also...I like to be admired by the visitors. It makes me happy to scare them by roaring a bit in their direction. It works all the time. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 13:30:28 GMT -5
Oh we discussed it, so the communication isn't lacking; but you know he and I have different styles of moderation. Is that confusing? I didn't see the posts that caused ZD to ban Anja (and I believe several of her posts got deleted one way or another), plus I'd also hamstrung myself by saying I wouldn't ban her without prior discussion. So here we are. I know very clearly why he blocked Anja and also as soon as Anja has been banned Anja has created a thread where she stated that she had been banned by You, But I knew very clearly that you hadn't done that and also I know that that was done by zendancer. You may ask how I know that? Because I know the way you move and also I know the way zendancer move! Here a true story...about what happend about two weeks ago: I was walking along a street in my neigborhood at night. I heard steps behind me. I got that nasty old feeling...as a woman...when hearing someone is walking behind me. As a young woman I sometimes was scared when that happend since me and my parents lived in an area where it is almost a bit rural. Anyway...as I was hearing thoses steps that old fear came up and I thought, "well, who ever that may be, if he want to rape me, I might even enjoy it nowerdays, since I'm 53 and have had no sex for about 5 years. And then I laught out loud about this thought. About a minute later a black guy passed me and smiled. He asked, "why did you laugh?" And I said, "ohh...just because." And he asked, "wanna have a beer?" And I said, "nah...but thanks for asking." And he said, "my name is Rubin. What's your name?" I said, "my name is Anja." And he said, "have a nice evening, Anja." And I said, "you too, Rubin." Why do I tell you this? Well...just before I heard these steps behind me, I thought about you, Gopal.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 13:44:48 GMT -5
I know very clearly why he blocked Anja and also as soon as Anja has been banned Anja has created a thread where she stated that she had been banned by You, But I knew very clearly that you hadn't done that and also I know that that was done by zendancer. You may ask how I know that? Because I know the way you move and also I know the way zendancer move! Here a true story...about what happend about two weeks ago: I was walking along a street in my neigborhood at night. I heard steps behind me. I got that nasty old feeling...as a woman...when hearing someone is walking behind me. As a young woman I sometimes was scared when that happend since me and my parents lived in an area where it is almost a bit rural. Anyway...as I was hearing thoses steps that old fear came up and I thought, "well, who ever that may be, if he want to rape me, I might even enjoy it nowerdays, since I'm 53 and have had no sex for about 5 years. And then I laught out loud about this thought. About a minute later a black guy passed me and smiled. He asked, "why did you laugh?" And I said, "ohh...just because." And he asked, "wanna have a beer?" And I said, "nah...but thanks for asking." And he said, "my name is Rubin. What's your name?" I said, "my name is Anja." And he said, "have a nice evening, Anja." And I said, "you too, Rubin." Why do I tell you this? Well...just before I heard these steps behind me, I thought about you, Gopal. ha ha very funny ,you gave a big laugh |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 14:11:19 GMT -5
Here a true story...about what happend about two weeks ago: I was walking along a street in my neigborhood at night. I heard steps behind me. I got that nasty old feeling...as a woman...when hearing someone is walking behind me. As a young woman I sometimes was scared when that happend since me and my parents lived in an area where it is almost a bit rural. Anyway...as I was hearing thoses steps that old fear came up and I thought, "well, who ever that may be, if he want to rape me, I might even enjoy it nowerdays, since I'm 53 and have had no sex for about 5 years. And then I laught out loud about this thought. About a minute later a black guy passed me and smiled. He asked, "why did you laugh?" And I said, "ohh...just because." And he asked, "wanna have a beer?" And I said, "nah...but thanks for asking." And he said, "my name is Rubin. What's your name?" I said, "my name is Anja." And he said, "have a nice evening, Anja." And I said, "you too, Rubin." Why do I tell you this? Well...just before I heard these steps behind me, I thought about you, Gopal. ha ha very funny ,you gave a big laugh I really hope you know that I'm not making this up. That black guy was in his early 30's and if I would have been 20 years younger I might have had a beer with him. The only thing I'm not sure about is if it happend 2 or maybe 3 weeks ago. Here is another true story, but it's not about you: Today I was walking along a street in my neigborhood, called Vereins-Straße. I was grocery-shopping and was on my way home. I was thinking about what happend here on this forum and then I saw two construction workers, looking out of a window on first floor on the right side of the street. Both had a mask around their neck, as if they did some dusty work inside the flat they were looking out of. They both smoked. Behind them the room seem to be very dusty and the picture was just funny. Because they wore masks when working but now they both smoked, looking out of the window. They saw me walking by. I smiled. Nowerdays I have a good relationship with construction-workers. As I was younger, I sometimes found it embarrassing to hear them wistle when I walked by. Don't ask me why. Maybe because I felt insecure as a young (good looking) woman. "For every down-side there is an up-side, and for every up-side there is a down-side." (James Swartz) "We're all batsh!t crazy. But the ones who know that as being the case enjoy life more than the ones who don't know it." (Anja Schröder) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 14:21:36 GMT -5
ha ha very funny ,you gave a big laugh I really hope you know that I'm not making this up. That black guy was in his early 30's and if I would have been 20 years younger I might have had a beer with him. The only thing I'm not sure about is if it happend 2 or maybe 3 weeks ago. Here is another true story, but it's not about you: Today I was walking along a street in my neigborhood, called Vereins-Straße. I was grocery-shopping and was on my way home. I was thinking about what happend here on this forum and then I saw two construction workers, looking out of a window on first floor on the right side of the street. Both had a mask around their neck, as if they did some dusty work inside the flat they were looking out of. They both smoked. Behind them the room seem to be very dusty and the picture was just funny. Because they wore masks when working but now they both smoked, looking out of the window. They saw me walking by. I smiled. Nowerdays I have a good relationship with construction-workers. As I was younger, I sometimes found it embarrassing to hear them wistle when I walked by. Don't ask me why. Maybe because I felt insecure as a young (good looking) woman. "For every down-side there is an up-side, and for every up-side there is a down-side." (James Swartz) "We're all batsh!t crazy. But the ones who know that as being the case enjoy life more than the ones who don't know it." (Anja Schröder) Good night Anja. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 14:27:06 GMT -5
I really hope you know that I'm not making this up. That black guy was in his early 30's and if I would have been 20 years younger I might have had a beer with him. The only thing I'm not sure about is if it happend 2 or maybe 3 weeks ago. Here is another true story, but it's not about you: Today I was walking along a street in my neigborhood, called Vereins-Straße. I was grocery-shopping and was on my way home. I was thinking about what happend here on this forum and then I saw two construction workers, looking out of a window on first floor on the right side of the street. Both had a mask around their neck, as if they did some dusty work inside the flat they were looking out of. They both smoked. Behind them the room seem to be very dusty and the picture was just funny. Because they wore masks when working but now they both smoked, looking out of the window. They saw me walking by. I smiled. Nowerdays I have a good relationship with construction-workers. As I was younger, I sometimes found it embarrassing to hear them wistle when I walked by. Don't ask me why. Maybe because I felt insecure as a young (good looking) woman. "For every down-side there is an up-side, and for every up-side there is a down-side." (James Swartz) "We're all batsh!t crazy. But the ones who know that as being the case enjoy life more than the ones who don't know it." (Anja Schröder) Good night Anja. In Germany it's not already bed-time for adults, Gopal. It's after-dinner-time, huggin'n'kissin' your kids good night time. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 14:47:41 GMT -5
I don't think this is necessarily a very good suggestion. Anja is banned, and usually the appropriate course of action after that is to refrain from posting on said forum altogether, rather than continuing to post with a different account. Now, after being banned, Anja/B-from-T has only been posting on this thread, and it seems that people so far haven't had a big issue with her keeping an "office" here. But continuing to post on other threads as nothing had happened would likely change that. "Yesterday" at 4:40 AM Peter posted to BFT. So I don't know what's up, but I liked your post. Dude, my sister and my brother, if unleashed, can talk a snake out it's hole. They both are able to make me look like a bloody amateur when it comes down to talking for the sake of talking. Why am I saying that as a response to your post? Because siblings can be a pain in the a$$ sometimes, but if you're able to watch them like you watch a movie, them being actors on a stage, you can enjoy it more. My siblings are both, in their own way, dominant alpha animals who work as some sort of low level employees and that's why they need to talk that much. It's as if they need to make sure that at least in the family they have the hat on. And I let them have the hat on. Because I'm batsh!t crazy and enjoy their show....nowerdays. My mother talks all the time too. And she meanders her way to what she wants to say but you can hardly wait for her to make the point she started to make, but forgot to make while the details became too important in her story. Sometimes I must say something like this, "Gunda, you said.....and then you said...but what was it you wanted to say in the first place about......Because that is what I'm interested in." And then, after me saying this, after listening to her for some time, she gets back to what it was she wanted to say. And most of the time it's so freaking funny what she says, AFTER I asked her what her actual point was. Then she says something like, "she just has bad taste, that creep! She thinks I'm her servant!" My mother can't say it directly. She, my mother, needs a full blown half hour to get to that point. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 15:02:44 GMT -5
Andrew said: "you have, many times. I've asked you about it many times. You are perceiving, and you are Consciousness. If anyone else is perceiving, then they too are Consciousness but having different perceptions to you. That is divided Consciousness." Enigma replied: "It's actually true that Consciousness(singular) is the same Consciousness as the Consciousness in the individual. That doesn't make it divided, rather it makes it one." Andrew said: "The individual is Consciousness expressed. So 'my consciousness' (which is already a poor use of language) is the expression of Consciousness. To locate your individual consciousness at the 'level' of Consciousness itself, is to divide Consciousness. I really don't think you want to do that. In order for you to be able to attend the non-dual awards this year and be in with a chance of an appearing prize, you have to see Consciousness as undivided and undifferentiated." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world?page=5526#ixzz4L163b6nsAndrew, you can't have it both ways. You can't dance on two partys at the same time. IF so called Consciousness is all there is, then there is no other context. That, then, is the only "one" context which is considered as the "absolute" context in which all other contexts "collapse" into. As long as you engage in this kind of lingo, this manner of speaking, this explaination, you will loose the argument when it comes down to contexts. Because in that context, that "Consciousness is all there is" context, you, by definition, say, "there is no other context but this one which is the absolute." As long as you talk about the relative and the absolute the way you do, you can't logically say, "but there are levels of consciousness in Consciousness". That does not make sense, Andy. In your "model" you have to justify violence, like it is being done by Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc...as also being Consciousness. There is no way around it, IF you still think that model is usefull.
Where is the difference between saying, "Consciousness is all there is. And I am that" and saying, "everything is God's will"?You have to let go of the God/Consciouness/Creator-Created myth all together. Else you must come up with saying, like you do, "well, it sounds like a contradiction, like a paradox, but it's not....hear me out." And then, yadda-yadda-yadda, you talk for years in a row about the difference between the relative and the absolute without ANY result other than hearing, from others, "well...no...that's not it." Do you understand what I'm saying? |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 15:41:03 GMT -5
Only AFTER "mountains are mountains again", fully, completly and absolutely, there can be a point of view in which what was formally called the "relative perspective", but now is the one and only perspective, a glimpse of what can be called the "absolute" can be even thought about. And AFTER "mountains are mountains again" that is not even neccessary, BECAUSE the individual entity, being a part of the whole, called EVERYTHING, is able, conscious and willing to let go of any kind of absolutisms for the sake of standing naked in the truth of admitting, "I don't know how and why I am. I just know that I am." And that is where we, as humanity, are at right now. And who ever says otherwise sells something he/she does not have.
"Gate, gate...paragate...parasamgate...bodhi svaha!" (The Buddha)
And currantly, we, as humanity, are at "gate, gate" and "paragate" is what we talk about when engaging in so called spiritual talk. Pointing to "parasamgate". Not to talk about "bodhi svaha!", yet. It's totally out of reach right right now.
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 15:59:55 GMT -5
So, since you focused on my behaviour rather than my personality (or person) by calling my behaviour "d!ckhead-behaviour" but not calling me a "d!ckhead", then the question arises: Who and/or what is engaging in such "d!ckhead-behaviour" then? Who and/or what is responsible, is the actor of such "d!ckhead-behaviour" if it's not done by a "d!ckhead"? IOW, Who and/or what is the doer? Yeah, this self-inquiry angle is always available. I don't think it would bear much fruit for me personally to subject these particular questions for intellectual/conceptual rumination at this point, but others' mileage may vary... As a dry paranoid, which means I'm not that paranoid anymore, other than being very suspicious regarding certain types of expression, are you sure you are not another of Zendancer's accounts here? IOW, can you confirm you are not another account, made by Zendancer? If you have any kind of human decency left, please tell me you're not Zendancer, posing as Visa. That would cure me from still being someone who can't trust someone who just sounds like Zendancer in disguise. Thanks in advance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 16:04:27 GMT -5
Yeah, this self-inquiry angle is always available. I don't think it would bear much fruit for me personally to subject these particular questions for intellectual/conceptual rumination at this point, but others' mileage may vary... As a dry paranoid, which means I'm not that paranoid anymore, other than being very suspicious regarding certain types of expression, are you sure you are not another of Zendancer's accounts here? IOW, can you confirm you are not another account, made by Zendancer? If you have any kind of human decency left, please tell me you're not Zendancer, posing as Visa. That would cure me from still being someone who can't trust someone who just sounds like Zendancer in disguise. Thanks in advance. He's not. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 16:07:24 GMT -5
As a dry paranoid, which means I'm not that paranoid anymore, other than being very suspicious regarding certain types of expression, are you sure you are not another of Zendancer's accounts here? IOW, can you confirm you are not another account, made by Zendancer? If you have any kind of human decency left, please tell me you're not Zendancer, posing as Visa. That would cure me from still being someone who can't trust someone who just sounds like Zendancer in disguise. Thanks in advance. He's not. How do you know? Why would I believe you saying this? |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 22, 2016 16:14:49 GMT -5
Gopal said: "I am not googling anything, I follows the writings of Tim'O Neil, he has the excellent knowledge in history of Jews,Romans and many. So one of his writings he has written this." Sunshine said: "i do not have to google to know that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. Almost half of Germany saw him as some kind of Saviour. As Stardustpilgrim says, he made a coalition government and then got voted into absolute power by his parliament. Every kid learns that here in school. Holland was one of the nations overrun by his armies. What many people do not know, is that he also was an occult medium. There was a statue (a bust) of a guy called Dietrich Eckhart in the Reichstag, the ONLY statue there. He was Hitler´s mentor, Historians forget this because they do not understand black magic.But Eckart helped Hitler get in touch with a demon, who spoke through him during his hypnotising speeches, and who told him to attack France, even though his armies werent ready.The Demon knew they would win...because such spirits can look beyond present time. When he attacked Russia, a stupid military mistake, his generals did not want him to do, he got fooled by an Indian occultist called Sri Aurobindo, who appeared to him disguised as this demon, and convinced him to attack Russia. Now he had to fight on two fronts, which he could not keep up. So, basically Aurobindo won WW2 for us. An Indian, you can be proud. WW2 ended on his 73rd birthday, and India got independence on his 75th birthday. Now THAT is occult power ... India is famous for such people." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world?page=5527#ixzz4L1MpUaJnSunshine, Hitler was a cathlic from Austria, iniciated into black magic. The NSDAP, the german nazi party, was financed by Wallstreet and the roman cathlic church, for the sake of "fighting" marxism, jewish middle-class people and social democrasy, the DKP and the SPD, in Germany, which where the number one threat for the totalitarian agenda at that time, after the german monarchie got distroyed. Now go figure, Sunny. It wasn't Sri Aurobindo. It was the fact that "truth can not be overcome. And untruth does not even exist" what made Hitler and his companions loose the war. |
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