quotes

[inavalan]

• “What we observe is not nature,” said German physicist Werner Heisenberg, “but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”
  
  --- "The Einstein Factor", Win Wineger

[inavalan]

Oct 29, 2024 10:39:42 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Oct 29, 2024 3:09:44 GMT -5 inavalan said:

• “The [Faraday's] Diaries have the…irritating form of ideas jotted down, repeated and forgotten. Try as he might, this scientist searched in vain for anything that smacked of sustained reasoning. Instead, he encountered a morass of articulated and unarticulated principles, concepts, observations and physical facts. At length, this hapless scholar was forced to conclude that the very lack of pattern was…itself the evidence of how Faraday thought…. Faraday suspended the need to understand, and simply acknowledged the thoughts which came into his head. The coherence of ideas was not imposed by any prior framework, but was allowed to emerge from the chaos of thoughts he experienced.”
  
  --- "The Einstein Factor", Win Wineger

Diaries or journals are for the writer. I have found that I think through my fingers more than just-inside-my-head. So I find nothing unusual in the quote.

That quote attracted my attention for the bolded part. I read it to be about allowing and promoting intuitive thinking, by de-emphasizing reasoning.

Journaling and scribbling are possible ways of doing that,  ways of tunning into an optimum state of consciousness for tapping your inner source of knowledge and guidance.

This doesn't mean "not thinking", nor "not using reasoning and intelligence"; it means "using them appropriately, as they are meant to be used".

[stardustpilgrim]

This is for ZD. This is the basis for Joseph Chilton Pearce's book Magical Child. He says, from researching learning, small children need to deal concretely with the world, and have this base, before learning to abstract. He says learning to abstract to early (read) screws up nature's plan for learning. He says play is the job of a kid, up until about age six. Then, having a physical basis of knowing how the world works, a kid can ~safely~ begin learning to read. Schopenhauer takes this even further, I'm impressed.
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"Education perverts the mind since we are directly opposing the natural development of our mind by obtaining ideas first and observations last. This is why so few men of learning have such sound common sense as is quite common among the illiterate." Arthur Schopenhauer

[YoMadreGorda]

Oct 31, 2024 11:18:39 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

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"Education perverts the mind since we are directly opposing the natural development of our mind by obtaining ideas first and observations last. This is why so few men of learning have such sound common sense as is quite common among the illiterate." Arthur Schopenhauer

Nice quote. I disliked my schooling intensely, back in the day. This quote gets at one of the reasons. You are forced to produce noise, even if it's regurgitation and silence would be better.

[inavalan]

Oct 31, 2024 11:18:39 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

This is for ZD. This is the basis for Joseph Chilton Pearce's book Magical Child. He says, from researching learning, small children need to deal concretely with the world, and have this base, before learning to abstract. He says learning to abstract to early (read) screws up nature's plan for learning. He says play is the job of a kid, up until about age six. Then, having a physical basis of knowing how the world works, a kid can ~safely~ begin learning to read. Schopenhauer takes this even further, I'm impressed.
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"Education perverts the mind since we are directly opposing the natural development of our mind by obtaining ideas first and observations last. This is why so few men of learning have such sound common sense as is quite common among the illiterate." Arthur Schopenhauer

To me, the merit of that quote is in its bolded part: obtaining ideas first and observations last. 

[inavalan]

quoteinvestigator.com

In conclusion, currently there is no known substantive support for the claim that Albert Einstein made one of these remarks. The earliest evidence points to an unknown academic at Yale University who may have made the statement given in the 1966 citation. The popular expression has been evolving for decades leading to a creative efflorescence of inaccuracies.

[inavalan]

Most/ all quotes, like everything, have different/ deeper-and-deeper levels of interpretation, which may eventually lead to the opposite point of what the author and/ or quoter intended to make.

Like this Jefferson quote:

In 1801, Thomas Jefferson addressed the notion of a tolerant society in his first inaugural speech as President of the United States. Concerning those who might destabilize the United States and its unity, Jefferson stated: "let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."

, from the wiki page on the Paradox of Tolerance:

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

As with the Paradox of Tolerance, it is a mistake to try to use a broad brush to paint (over) everything, to find rules and principles to cover everything, ignoring individuality in everything. This results from the erroneous belief in the primacy of the elements over their gestalt, of the observable over its unobservable source.

[inavalan]

Elon Musk "I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right"





There are people who would rather be right than be well.

[laughter]

Oct 29, 2024 10:46:06 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Oct 29, 2024 2:43:19 GMT -5 inavalan said:

• "THE HANDS-ON PRINCIPLE
  
  When Marian Diamond carried out her famous experiment of putting rats in a super-stimulating environment, she also tested a control group. This control group was not allowed to play with the toys, swings, ladders, treadmills, trapezes, and other delights enjoyed by the Super Rats. They were, however, allowed to watch the Super Rats play. Certain theories of child development hold that stimulating input alone will enhance a child’s intellectual growth. By analogy, Diamond’s spectator rats should have sprouted extra neurological connections must by watching the other rats play—but they didn’t. The spectator rats died must as young and had interconnections must as sparse as did their less fortunate counterparts in barren cages who were not allowed to watch.
  
  Clearly, input alone did not create Super Rats. The rats had to touch and play with the toys in order to gain brainpower. This suggests that the Super Rat Effect was a feedback loop. The more the rats physically interacted with their environment, the more stimulation that environment fed back to them in the form of brain growth."
  
  --- "The Einstein Factor", Win Wineger

One of the most important books I've ever read is Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pearce. He discovered natures plan for learning. He says nature supplies the intent, parents or caregivers must supply the content. Content is just stuff to explore, a widely varied supply of objects, just as discovered about the rats. I could recommend the book to anyone.

I'm with PETA on this sort of thing.

[laughter]

Oct 29, 2024 13:12:20 GMT -5 inavalan said:

• “What we observe is not nature,” said German physicist Werner Heisenberg, “but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”
  
  --- "The Einstein Factor", Win Wineger

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

T.S. Elliot

[stardustpilgrim]

Nov 9, 2024 11:12:10 GMT -5 laughter said:

Oct 29, 2024 10:46:06 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

One of the most important books I've ever read is Magical Child by Joseph Chilton Pearce. He discovered natures plan for learning. He says nature supplies the intent, parents or caregivers must supply the content. Content is just stuff to explore, a widely varied supply of objects, just as discovered about the rats. I could recommend the book to anyone.

I'm with PETA on this sort of thing.

I don't know what that means. (I know what PETA is).

[justlikeyou]

Nov 9, 2024 21:48:01 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:12:10 GMT -5 laughter said:

I'm with PETA on this sort of thing.

I don't know what that means. (I know what PETA is).

He doesn't like the idea of using rats in experimentation.

[laughter]

Nov 9, 2024 21:48:01 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Nov 9, 2024 11:12:10 GMT -5 laughter said:

I'm with PETA on this sort of thing.

I don't know what that means. (I know what PETA is).

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.