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Post by laughter on Jan 12, 2016 12:38:56 GMT -5
the very first time i quit, i was 18 years old, and cruising with friends in a car--stoned out of our wits..(holland 70´s) i had been thinking ´bout quitting now and then and just always thought ´´it will happen´´--i saw a vending machine and asked the driver to stop--i got out, threw two guilders into the machines money slot--and then it hit me:´´ i am quitting NOW´´--i walked away from the machine, leaving the 2 bucks, and the tobacco, in it---i didnt smoke for,years after that, no dope either eventually the weed got me back to the tobacco--joints --then quit the grass and discover to be hooked on the tobacco... oh--japanese men smoke more per capita than anyone on the planet,but get no lungcancer how? healthy food that doesnt impair the immunesystem.. If that story is true it's pretty kool.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:39:59 GMT -5
the very first time i quit, i was 18 years old, and cruising with friends in a car--stoned out of our wits..(holland 70´s) i had been thinking ´bout quitting now and then and just always thought ´´it will happen´´--i saw a vending machine and asked the driver to stop--i got out, threw two guilders into the machines money slot--and then it hit me:´´ i am quitting NOW´´--i walked away from the machine, leaving the 2 bucks, and the tobacco, in it---i didnt smoke for,years after that, no dope either eventually the weed got me back to the tobacco--joints --then quit the grass and discover to be hooked on the tobacco... oh--japanese men smoke more per capita than anyone on the planet,but get no lungcancer how? healthy food that doesnt impair the immunesystem.. Or genetics. Or less toxic tobacco. Or less toxic advertising by the medical/industrial complex. Or better filters. Or a cleaner environment. Or all of the above. (They get lung cancer, just at a rate that's 10 times less than American men.) I went to a meditation event on Saturday and the one other smoker and I were chatting. He told me the best counter to cigarettes is pot. He said it cleans the lungs.  (Also peppermint and eucalyptus). get lung cancer..yes of course ah...well the seventh day adventists get 1 in 30 cancer, same kind of healthy foodhabits (or do you think its their special kind of prayers?) no animal proteines for one, (japan mostly- RAW -fish)--and same bad environment--but hey not gonna go here into a rap on cancer--(theres a thread-Standard American Slaves with the ins and outs on it) i used to live in a eucalipt forest--no lungcancer--that proves it !!grew me own weed too...i am a living antidote! |
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Post by quinn on Jan 12, 2016 12:40:50 GMT -5
Apparently I've confounded your point, so you'll have to come out with it straight. The point is that the link is very direct, but obviously anything I write (including this) at this point, is a word too many!  Oh. Haha! You're talking to a long-time smoker here. I can rationalize ANYTHING! |
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Post by quinn on Jan 12, 2016 12:42:44 GMT -5
Or genetics. Or less toxic tobacco. Or less toxic advertising by the medical/industrial complex. Or better filters. Or a cleaner environment. Or all of the above. (They get lung cancer, just at a rate that's 10 times less than American men.) I went to a meditation event on Saturday and the one other smoker and I were chatting. He told me the best counter to cigarettes is pot. He said it cleans the lungs. (Also peppermint and eucalyptus). get lung cancer..yes of course ah...well the seventh day adventists get 1 in 30 cancer, same kind of healthy foodhabits (or do you think its their special kind of prayers?) no animal proteines for one, (japan mostly- RAW -fish)--and same bad environment--but hey not gonna go here into a rap on cancer--(theres a thread-Standard American Slaves with the ins and outs on it) i used to live in a eucalipt forest--no lungcancer--that proves it !!grew me own weed too...i am a living antidote! If it's prayer, I'm screwed.  You are a living antidote. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:50:03 GMT -5
I went to a meditation event on Saturday and the one other smoker and I were chatting. He told me the best counter to cigarettes is pot. He said it cleans the lungs. (Also peppermint and eucalyptus). every time I get a bag of weed, I grab a couple packs of smokes.. cuz I know I'm gonna want oneand theres really no point in starting a split mind scrama over it then once everything goes up in smoke, I'm back on the nicotine gum, cuz well, lung cancer is a very messy business.. so hopefully the weed is working as your buddy says |
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Post by quinn on Jan 12, 2016 13:17:21 GMT -5
I went to a meditation event on Saturday and the one other smoker and I were chatting. He told me the best counter to cigarettes is pot. He said it cleans the lungs. (Also peppermint and eucalyptus). every time I get a bag of weed, I grab a couple packs of smokes.. cuz I know I'm gonna want oneand theres really no point in starting a split mind scrama over it then once everything goes up in smoke, I'm back on the nicotine gum, cuz well, lung cancer is a very messy business.. so hopefully the weed is working as your buddy says I hope he's right too. My sister was on the gum for 20 years, then got lung cancer. So there you go - no guarantees. Now grandad...he smoked (no filter) and drank a lot of beer/liquor and died at work at 84 (stroke). Could have been some pot there - he was an artist. Totally agree about the split mind scrama. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2016 13:24:53 GMT -5
There's a different angle to approach this.... though maybe you tried it. Can you imagine/envision yourself to be extra healthy, well, supple, energetic, vibrant, fit etc? Can you imagine what kind of life you would have if you were that individual, and what kind of things you would be doing? The brain doesn't respond well to a 'not', it directs itself to a positive target. No, I haven't tried it. Thanks. I'm pretty miserable at imagining, but I'll give it a shot. That makes sense. How're you doing? All good thanks, I'm involved in a new project right now and it's kind of refreshing, though challenging. This isn't the kind of thing I would normally share here, but it seems too much of a coincidence or synchronicity to NOT post it. I've liked these videos for a long time, there's a new one every couple of days, and this one was today's. Probably best to watch daily for a while if you fancy it. |
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Post by quinn on Jan 12, 2016 13:54:08 GMT -5
No, I haven't tried it. Thanks. I'm pretty miserable at imagining, but I'll give it a shot. That makes sense. How're you doing? All good thanks, I'm involved in a new project right now and it's kind of refreshing, though challenging. This isn't the kind of thing I would normally share here, but it seems too much of a coincidence or synchronicity to NOT post it. I've liked these videos for a long time, there's a new one every couple of days, and this one was today's. Probably best to watch daily for a while if you fancy it. Thanks Andrew. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 13, 2016 11:53:20 GMT -5
The point is that the link is very direct, but obviously anything I write (including this) at this point, is a word too many! Oh. Haha! You're talking to a long-time smoker here. I can rationalize ANYTHING! Have you ever had an ex-long-time-smoker explain to you what it feels like after they stopped? |
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Post by quinn on Jan 13, 2016 12:30:02 GMT -5
Oh. Haha! You're talking to a long-time smoker here. I can rationalize ANYTHING! Have you ever had an ex-long-time-smoker explain to you what it feels like after they stopped? Yeah, sure. Lots. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 17, 2016 10:40:04 GMT -5
Have you ever had an ex-long-time-smoker explain to you what it feels like after they stopped? Yeah, sure. Lots. ok, well did any of them ever express the possibility of a state of body and mind in which you had any interest? |
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Post by quinn on Jan 17, 2016 12:34:21 GMT -5
ok, well did any of them ever express the possibility of a state of body and mind in which you had any interest? Four days later? Really? I brought up the smoking/breathing example in the context of split mind to counter what Gopal was saying. His response is that there's still a subtle battle going on, which could conceivably be true but I don't appear to have access to it right now. I think the 'issue' for me will not be seen through an intellectual or psychological route. Been down them many many times. Had an interesting meditation Friday, deep in such a way that I had a full-on experiential taste of what it would be like with no physical tension and no thoughts about struggles, experiences, ideas, history, influences, and and. This was different from the 'empty' meditations I've experienced where there's no sense of body or time. What if...what if it's already perfect? Including everything - competing desires, unhealthy habits...the whole dealio. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2016 21:20:13 GMT -5
This is where the interesting act of consciousness comes to light. When you stop fighting with yourself, it would create the line in such a way that you would not be fighting, but not immediately. For an example, you might loose the desire to eat, So there won't be any fight and easy choice would be made! But if you fight, then this fight would surely continue to happen, to continue, it would make all the arrangement which is necessary for you to fight, for an example, desire doesn't fall away,Trust me, Consciousness is the conditioner, Consciousness is the re-conditioner as well! So what happens when the fight is seen, the battle stops, and still consciousness is conditioning you to eat? Or do you think this wouldn't happen? Keep in mind, you're talking to a smoker here who has seen the battle and continues to smoke.I just recently escaped from the megathread and I don't want to step in too early here, but this is interesting. What should end when the SM is seen clearly is the internal battle. It says nothing at all about which choice you will ultimately make, only that there will not be a battle. You will simply make the choice you most strongly prefer. Would you say there is still a battle of sorts going on, and if so, can you say why? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2016 21:23:59 GMT -5
So what happens when the fight is seen, the battle stops, and still consciousness is conditioning you to eat? Or do you think this wouldn't happen? Keep in mind, you're talking to a smoker here who has seen the battle and continues to smoke. When you stop fighting with yourself, Expression doesn't stop immediately, but sooner the Expression comes to an end. You must be battling with you at very subtle level. Because the one who wants to smoke has the power to loose the desire. It doesn't do anything to stop rather it simply stops by loosing the desire. What expression? You mean the smoking? Why would it end unless she chooses to end it? If there is a SM about having to work and not wanting to work, when the struggle ends, does the working eventually stop too? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2016 21:27:48 GMT -5
So what happens when the fight is seen, the battle stops, and still consciousness is conditioning you to eat? Or do you think this wouldn't happen? Keep in mind, you're talking to a smoker here who has seen the battle and continues to smoke. When you stop fighting with yourself, Expression doesn't stop immediately, but sooner the Expression comes to an end. You must be battling with you at very subtle level. Because the one who wants to smoke has the power to loose the desire. It doesn't do anything to stop rather it simply stops by loosing the desire. So losing the bad desire is always what happens? Who decides what desire is bad? Is working the bad desire or is camping on the beach and enjoying life the bad desire? which one eventually stops? |
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(Also peppermint and eucalyptus).
