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Post by justlikeyou on Oct 10, 2015 16:25:31 GMT -5
Since "discovering" the haiku thread recently and finding an interest in it, I've been doing some research, ordered/purchased several book of/about haiku, been conversing with one noted, award winning haiku poet named Alan Summers, was invited to his private forum for mentoring and just having a ball with it. Some of the of things I'm learning are that the 5-7-5 format is NOT a requirement for english haiku - see this if interested in more about that - also, that haiku usually consists of two parts with a juxtaposition. See more on that here. Anyway, thought I'd share that in case anyone was interested. |
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Post by figgles on Oct 10, 2015 16:40:59 GMT -5
Since "discovering" the haiku thread recently and finding an interest in it, I've been doing some research, ordered/purchased several book of/about haiku, been conversing with one noted, award winning haiku poet named Alan Summers, was invited to his private forum for mentoring and just having a ball with it.Some of the of things I'm learning are that the 5-7-5 format is NOT a requirement for english haiku - see this if interested in more about that - also, that haiku usually consists of two parts with a juxtaposition. See more on that here. Anyway, thought I'd share that in case anyone was interested. That is so cool!!  |
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Post by zin on Oct 11, 2015 5:18:03 GMT -5
Since "discovering" the haiku thread recently and finding an interest in it, I've been doing some research, ordered/purchased several book of/about haiku, been conversing with one noted, award winning haiku poet named Alan Summers, was invited to his private forum for mentoring and just having a ball with it. Some of the of things I'm learning are that the 5-7-5 format is NOT a requirement for english haiku - see this if interested in more about that - also, that haiku usually consists of two parts with a juxtaposition. See more on that here. Anyway, thought I'd share that in case anyone was interested. Thanks for this. If you write a bit about what you learn I'd be happy to read. For example, is content important? Once I read something like there must be nature in the haiku but maybe this is not a strict thing, either. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Oct 11, 2015 10:10:13 GMT -5
Since "discovering" the haiku thread recently and finding an interest in it, I've been doing some research, ordered/purchased several book of/about haiku, been conversing with one noted, award winning haiku poet named Alan Summers, was invited to his private forum for mentoring and just having a ball with it. Some of the of things I'm learning are that the 5-7-5 format is NOT a requirement for english haiku - see this if interested in more about that - also, that haiku usually consists of two parts with a juxtaposition. See more on that here. Anyway, thought I'd share that in case anyone was interested. Thanks for this. If you write a bit about what you learn I'd be happy to read. For example, is content important? Once I read something like there must be nature in the haiku but maybe this is not a strict thing, either. Hi Zin, haiku "use(s) sensory language to capture a feeling or image. They are often inspired by an element of nature, a moment of beauty, or another poignant experience" To me, a man on an elevator drinking coffee is just another element of our natural world...it's all THIS. When someone asked me recently I said that haiku is all about "isnessness", one step removed from wordless "isness" because it does use words to freeze frame a wordless moment into a verbal photograph. When born of silence, haiku can be extremely powerful in provoking silence in the reader as well. Check out this barebones school of haiku. |
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Post by zin on Oct 11, 2015 15:55:41 GMT -5
Thanks for this. If you write a bit about what you learn I'd be happy to read. For example, is content important? Once I read something like there must be nature in the haiku but maybe this is not a strict thing, either. Hi Zin, haiku "use(s) sensory language to capture a feeling or image. They are often inspired by an element of nature, a moment of beauty, or another poignant experience" To me, a man on an elevator drinking coffee is just another element of our natural world...it's all THIS. When someone asked me recently I said that haiku is all about "isnessness", one step removed from wordless "isness" because it does use words to freeze frame a wordless moment into a verbal photograph. When born of silence, haiku can be extremely powerful in provoking silence in the reader as well. Check out this barebones school of haiku. Reading barebones school -- thank you. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 11, 2015 16:14:51 GMT -5
The distinction between sounds and syllables is a subtle one but interesting and I would say, one with a definite difference. Does the ambiguity lend a latitude to the poet? Some syllables might have more than one sound (for instance: "smile"). Letting it cut either way can result in a cadence either with more or less than the 14 sounds or more or less than 14 syllables, depending on the poets choice. That may or may not be the readers cup of tea. This is a reflection of what's at the heart of Zen: the call to practice. The prescription to sit down, shut up and stare at the wall until all the stupid questions stop recurring.  The rigidity of the form, if agreed on ahead of time, sort of frees the artist from a trivial choice. If not, the ambiguity just might catalyze something beautiful.  |
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Post by zin on Oct 11, 2015 16:20:37 GMT -5
I will put a small quote from the link (http://www.ahapoetry.com/Bare%20Bones/BBless3.html ), it's just beautiful:
"There is a story told of Bashô and his favorite student, Kikaku. One day Kikaku, who was very impulsive and the wit of the group, came running up to Bashô with his newest and most wonderful verse. Probably dancing and gesturing broadly Kikaku read:
pulling off
the wings of the dragonfly
a red pepper
You see what his thought was, don't you? In Japan there is a species of large dragonflies with bright red bodies. If you pulled off the wings, the curving, pointed body, what remained would look like a small red pepper.
Very quietly, and with a gentle smile Bashô offered a correction:
adding wings
to the red pepper
a dragonfly "
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Post by justlikeyou on Oct 11, 2015 16:29:38 GMT -5
I will put a small quote from the link (http://www.ahapoetry.com/Bare%20Bones/BBless3.html ), it's just beautiful: "There is a story told of Bashô and his favorite student, Kikaku. One day Kikaku, who was very impulsive and the wit of the group, came running up to Bashô with his newest and most wonderful verse. Probably dancing and gesturing broadly Kikaku read: pulling off
the wings of the dragonfly
a red pepper
You see what his thought was, don't you? In Japan there is a species of large dragonflies with bright red bodies. If you pulled off the wings, the curving, pointed body, what remained would look like a small red pepper. Very quietly, and with a gentle smile Bashô offered a correction: adding wings
to the red pepper
a dragonfly "
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Post by zin on Oct 11, 2015 16:33:27 GMT -5
The distinction between sounds and syllables is a subtle one but interesting and I would say, one with a definite difference. Does the ambiguity lend a latitude to the poet? Some syllables might have more than one sound (for instance: "smile"). Letting it cut either way can result in a cadence either with more or less than the 14 sounds or more or less than 14 syllables, depending on the poets choice. That may or may not be the readers cup of tea. This is a reflection of what's at the heart of Zen: the call to practice. The prescription to sit down, shut up and stare at the wall until all the stupid questions stop recurring. The rigidity of the form, if agreed on ahead of time, sort of frees the artist from a trivial choice. If not, the ambiguity just might catalyze something beautiful. I am not an artist but I was/am glad to have 5-7-5 rule like a compass... At the same time I had begun to look for ways to circumvent it : ) *this is a timely thread for me!.. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 11, 2015 16:38:59 GMT -5
The distinction between sounds and syllables is a subtle one but interesting and I would say, one with a definite difference. Does the ambiguity lend a latitude to the poet? Some syllables might have more than one sound (for instance: "smile"). Letting it cut either way can result in a cadence either with more or less than the 14 sounds or more or less than 14 syllables, depending on the poets choice. That may or may not be the readers cup of tea. This is a reflection of what's at the heart of Zen: the call to practice. The prescription to sit down, shut up and stare at the wall until all the stupid questions stop recurring. The rigidity of the form, if agreed on ahead of time, sort of frees the artist from a trivial choice. If not, the ambiguity just might catalyze something beautiful. I am not an artist but I was/am glad to have 5-7-5 rule like a compass... At the same time I had begun to look for ways to circumvent it : ) *this is a timely thread for me!.. is because you are a bad and lazy peep and should be ashamed of yourself. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Oct 11, 2015 16:38:48 GMT -5
The distinction between sounds and syllables is a subtle one but interesting and I would say, one with a definite difference. Does the ambiguity lend a latitude to the poet? Some syllables might have more than one sound (for instance: "smile"). Letting it cut either way can result in a cadence either with more or less than the 14 sounds or more or less than 14 syllables, depending on the poets choice. That may or may not be the readers cup of tea. This is a reflection of what's at the heart of Zen: the call to practice. The prescription to sit down, shut up and stare at the wall until all the stupid questions stop recurring. The rigidity of the form, if agreed on ahead of time, sort of frees the artist from a trivial choice. If not, the ambiguity just might catalyze something beautiful. I never paid attention to poetry in the least until a post you made in the 5-7-5 thread several weeks ago. I had no idea what 5-7-5 was then but was instantly smitten. I had long heard of poets like Jack Kerouac but never read any of them. I was surprised to learn recently that he is considered a leading western haiku poet. Here are a few of his poems that will perhaps explain why he is. Alone, in old clothes, sipping wine Beneath the moon Morning sun - The purple petals, Four have fallen Early morning gentle rain, two big bumblebees Humming at their work The little worm lowers itself from the roof By a self shat thread Bluejay drinking at my saucer of milk, Throwing his head back Men and women Yakking beneath the eternal void I went in the woods to meditate - It was too cold Walking on water wasn't Built in a day The sound of silence is all the instruction You'll get |
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Post by laughter on Oct 11, 2015 16:46:23 GMT -5
The distinction between sounds and syllables is a subtle one but interesting and I would say, one with a definite difference. Does the ambiguity lend a latitude to the poet? Some syllables might have more than one sound (for instance: "smile"). Letting it cut either way can result in a cadence either with more or less than the 14 sounds or more or less than 14 syllables, depending on the poets choice. That may or may not be the readers cup of tea. This is a reflection of what's at the heart of Zen: the call to practice. The prescription to sit down, shut up and stare at the wall until all the stupid questions stop recurring. The rigidity of the form, if agreed on ahead of time, sort of frees the artist from a trivial choice. If not, the ambiguity just might catalyze something beautiful. I never paid attention to poetry in the least until a post you made in the 5-7-5 thread several weeks ago. I had no idea what 5-7-5 was then but was instantly smitten. I had long heard of poets like Jack Kerouac but never read any of them. I was surprised to learn recently that he is considered a leading western haiku poet. Here are a few of his poems that will perhaps explain why he is. Alone, in old clothes, sipping wine Beneath the moon Morning sun - The purple petals, Four have fallen Early morning gentle rain, two big bumblebees Humming at their work The little worm lowers itself from the roof By a self shat thread Bluejay drinking at my saucer of milk, Throwing his head back Men and women Yakking beneath the eternal void I went in the woods to meditate - It was too cold Walking on water wasn't Built in a day The sound of silence is all the instruction You'll get Poetry, at it's best, is a transparent state of mind. |
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Post by zin on Oct 11, 2015 16:46:41 GMT -5
I am not an artist but I was/am glad to have 5-7-5 rule like a compass... At the same time I had begun to look for ways to circumvent it : ) *this is a timely thread for me!.. is because you are a bad and lazy peep and should be ashamed of yourself.  |
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Post by justlikeyou on Oct 11, 2015 16:53:49 GMT -5
I never paid attention to poetry in the least until a post you made in the 5-7-5 thread several weeks ago. I had no idea what 5-7-5 was then but was instantly smitten. I had long heard of poets like Jack Kerouac but never read any of them. I was surprised to learn recently that he is considered a leading western haiku poet. Here are a few of his poems that will perhaps explain why he is. Alone, in old clothes, sipping wine Beneath the moon Morning sun - The purple petals, Four have fallen Early morning gentle rain, two big bumblebees Humming at their work The little worm lowers itself from the roof By a self shat thread Bluejay drinking at my saucer of milk, Throwing his head back Men and women Yakking beneath the eternal void I went in the woods to meditate - It was too cold Walking on water wasn't Built in a day The sound of silence is all the instruction You'll get Poetry, at it's best, is a transparent state of mind. It only took me 58 years to happily appreciate that fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 16:59:18 GMT -5
I never paid attention to poetry in the least until a post you made in the 5-7-5 thread several weeks ago. I had no idea what 5-7-5 was then but was instantly smitten. I had long heard of poets like Jack Kerouac but never read any of them. I was surprised to learn recently that he is considered a leading western haiku poet. Here are a few of his poems that will perhaps explain why he is. Alone, in old clothes, sipping wine Beneath the moon Morning sun - The purple petals, Four have fallen Early morning gentle rain, two big bumblebees Humming at their work The little worm lowers itself from the roof By a self shat thread Bluejay drinking at my saucer of milk, Throwing his head back Men and women Yakking beneath the eternal void I went in the woods to meditate - It was too cold Walking on water wasn't Built in a day The sound of silence is all the instruction You'll get ..a glass bottle that contains the perfume of isness. |
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