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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:38:55 GMT -5
OK so what is it that you don't do that you do. What? If you choose to practice, that is an act of doing. If you choose not to practice that is an act of doing also because it involves choice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:44:14 GMT -5
How does this law of attraction work. Is it something you do. If everything is predetermined, then practice it is predetermined. If you don't practice it is predetermined. If you write here and advise that practice is crappy, that too is predetermined, so if you used law of attraction you had no choice because it was predetermined as is your fate to write in this forum for the next ten years with the message to do nothing. Yes, it's predetermined to do, that's what I am bringing purpose to this universal movement. I understand this predetermined movement when I came across the fact that my intention is also a manifestation. Do you ever heard of Law of attraction? Bringing purpose to this universal movement sounds like the motherload of doership and kind of flies in the face of predeterminism. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2015 8:47:36 GMT -5
Gopal: You're a smart fellow. Surely you can see that I'm not remotely interested in your ideas. If you have attained peace of mind, then that's great. Relax and enjoy life. You seem incredibly certain that I can't be certain, but here's the point------I don't care about that idea either! Go have some fun, and stop thinking so much; you'll be lots happier. ha ha stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so muchstop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much How many times are you going to repeat the above line? Are you even least bother about what I have written to you? Do you even understand what I mean by whether other individual are real or figment can't be known? You did not,Isn't it? gopal, It's a question of boundary. For discussion, let's say gopal's boundary ends at your skin (or mind). So you necessarily say that you cannot know if another individual is real, because they of course exist outside the boundary that forms gopal. But ZD is saying there is not this boundary for him. His posts are merely trying to point you to this, that gopal is not separate, there is not really a boundary. The boundary is imaginary. ZD makes the statements he does because of........this. "Experience" outside the boundary of "ZD". |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:47:49 GMT -5
Impersonal order maintain that crappy thing from my experience, my journey starts from using Law of attraction, I was surprised when I hear about Law of attraction, when I result I got astonished. When I see how universe moves, my belief of freewill went for a toss. Even after seeing those great movement I still believed that freewill was true,I thought Since those people are not using Law of attraction, they could manifest anything and they are working for me, but when I came to know the truth that intention to manifest something is also manifestation, it become blatantly clear that freewill is pure illusion. Order is always there within the crappy things. Right, so there is an order of things that have to happen, but it's an impersonal order. Hmmm. So let's say someone comes to you who has never done the crappy stuff and says ''gopal, I want the realization that you had that nothing can be done''...do you tell them that there is nothing they can do, and that you can't help them, because nothing can be done....or do you tell them to go and do the crappy stuff in order to get to the realization? I advise them that that's not in our hand, because my advise is not necessary, If they are the one, then that would be done, Enigma is trying to enlighten the people or trying to suggest the people because he thinks that God is fallen into the dream,but I never do, because I know everything is perfect unfolding of universe. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:51:11 GMT -5
Right, so there is an order of things that have to happen, but it's an impersonal order. Hmmm. So let's say someone comes to you who has never done the crappy stuff and says ''gopal, I want the realization that you had that nothing can be done''...do you tell them that there is nothing they can do, and that you can't help them, because nothing can be done....or do you tell them to go and do the crappy stuff in order to get to the realization? I advise them that that's not in our hand, because my advise is not necessary, If they are the one, then that would be done, Enigma is trying to enlighten the people or trying to suggest the people because he thinks that God is fallen into the dream,but I never do, because I know everything is perfect unfolding of universe. So if someone tells you they are suffering you would say the universe is unfolding perfectly? |
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Post by andrew on May 14, 2015 8:54:33 GMT -5
Right, so there is an order of things that have to happen, but it's an impersonal order. Hmmm. So let's say someone comes to you who has never done the crappy stuff and says ''gopal, I want the realization that you had that nothing can be done''...do you tell them that there is nothing they can do, and that you can't help them, because nothing can be done....or do you tell them to go and do the crappy stuff in order to get to the realization? I advise them that that's not in our hand, because my advise is not necessary, If they are the one, then that would be done, Enigma is trying to enlighten the people or trying to suggest the people because he thinks that God is fallen into the dream,but I never do, because I know everything is perfect unfolding of universe. Okay, yup, I understand what you would tell them and why you would say that. So then if they said....''well, shall I just forget about it then, and if the realization happens it happens, and if it doesn't it doesn't?''....what would you say? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:55:37 GMT -5
I just had a mental image of your universal movement marching down the road with flags and placards which read, "there is nothing to do and I am holding this flag because it has been predetermined.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:58:31 GMT -5
I advise them that that's not in our hand, because my advise is not necessary, If they are the one, then that would be done, Enigma is trying to enlighten the people or trying to suggest the people because he thinks that God is fallen into the dream,but I never do, because I know everything is perfect unfolding of universe. Okay, yup, I understand what you would tell them and why you would say that. So then if they said....''well, shall I just forget about it then, and if the realization happens it happens, and if it doesn't it doesn't?''....what would you say? I would say you are correct, Because I have the 100% of certainty that other people are manifested for certain purpose to carry over. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 8:59:35 GMT -5
I advise them that that's not in our hand, because my advise is not necessary, If they are the one, then that would be done, Enigma is trying to enlighten the people or trying to suggest the people because he thinks that God is fallen into the dream,but I never do, because I know everything is perfect unfolding of universe. So if someone tells you they are suffering you would say the universe is unfolding perfectly? someone in my world can't suffer, if they suffer then they are my own creation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:02:24 GMT -5
So if someone tells you they are suffering you would say the universe is unfolding perfectly? someone in my world can't suffer, if they suffer then they are my own creation. And if they are not suffering, they are not your creation? So they are separate from you as an appearance in consciousness. |
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Post by andrew on May 14, 2015 9:06:02 GMT -5
Okay, yup, I understand what you would tell them and why you would say that. So then if they said....''well, shall I just forget about it then, and if the realization happens it happens, and if it doesn't it doesn't?''....what would you say? I would say you are correct, Because I have the 100% of certainty that other people are manifested for certain purpose to carry over. Okay, I understand. Hmmm. Okay, in that case, if you consider any advice you offer to be utterly irrelevant to whether realization happens to someone or not, why do you offer it? What is the motivation and intention behind the advice you give? What drives you to spend time on the forum and talk about this stuff? I appreciate you answering the questions by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:07:15 GMT -5
I would say you are correct, Because I have the 100% of certainty that other people are manifested for certain purpose to carry over. Okay, I understand. Hmmm. Okay, in that case, if you consider any advice you offer to be utterly irrelevant to whether realization happens to someone or not, why do you offer it? What is the motivation and intention behind the advice you give? What drives you to spend time on the forum and talk about this stuff? I appreciate you answering the questions by the way. You understand........ Really? Are you both smoking the same stuff? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:08:34 GMT -5
The law of attraction is the name given to the term that "like attracts like" and that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, one can bring about positive or negative results.
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Post by andrew on May 14, 2015 9:11:35 GMT -5
Okay, I understand. Hmmm. Okay, in that case, if you consider any advice you offer to be utterly irrelevant to whether realization happens to someone or not, why do you offer it? What is the motivation and intention behind the advice you give? What drives you to spend time on the forum and talk about this stuff? I appreciate you answering the questions by the way. You understand........ Really? Are you both smoking the same stuff? I understand what gopal is saying from within his understandings. I don't believe in predermination so his choices are quite different to mine, but his answers are consistent with his understandings. Though currently I don't understand why he offers advice at all. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:14:52 GMT -5
Okay, yup, I understand what you would tell them and why you would say that. So then if they said....''well, shall I just forget about it then, and if the realization happens it happens, and if it doesn't it doesn't?''....what would you say? I would say you are correct, Because I have the 100% of certainty that other people are manifested for certain purpose to carry over. What is it that manifests "people" for certain purposes and why. What purpose. Who is this puppet master with a plan. |
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