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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 10:26:21 GMT -5
When I say nothing has been said, I mean the conversation has been a bunch of obfuscation and distraction. Right, you're dismissing what I wrote (and also what you wrote) based on a subjective opinion in order to justify inviting a circular dialog.  I would describe it as sticking to the key point. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 17, 2016 10:27:11 GMT -5
I'm asking you for the link please! And I'm asking you to post a giraffe pic.  He's getting confused about the game that demonstrates confusion.  |
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Post by figgles on Sept 17, 2016 10:27:42 GMT -5
Why? The 'having' is simply another aspect of the appearance. Yes, everything exist only in appearance, If you see the brain of the person, then brain is appearing. But there is no brain in itself. That would be an odd place to live from though, wouldn't it ? Denying the existence of a brain in your head unless it actually appears? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:27:42 GMT -5
I am not creating the concepts, you are creating the concepts, Just pay closer attention and answer my question. Where are you looking at the moon? Inner or Outer ? Where? It's in the sky. How many times do i have to say it. Okay, let's assume it's in the sky, but where does the perception happens? Are you seeing the real moon or image of the moon which your Brain received? |
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Post by laughter on Sept 17, 2016 10:28:33 GMT -5
Well, thirdly you're the one responding to me so the complaint about hijacking is just whining and fourthly if you don't think that "appearances in consciousness" doesn't involve a pointing then what you wrote here is pure projection and you've contradicted what you wrote here. Because if "appearances in consciousness" doesn't reference a pointer, then for you it's just intellectual mind-play that you think you can understand. It's not hijacking either, it's a discussion forum and you are free to intrude wherever you want. Uh yeah. I don't think he needed you to give him the go ahead.  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 17, 2016 10:30:05 GMT -5
This is the over projection from side. You are not paying to attention to what he says and reporting that he is performing the drama. It's very clearly from your side. Anyone who continue to follow the argument can easily discern this. Yes, resorting to "drama queen" after "hijacker" didn't work was rather transparent, wasn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:30:10 GMT -5
It's in the sky. How many times do i have to say it. Okay, let's assume it's in the sky, but where does the perception happens? Are you seeing the real moon or image of the moon which your Brain received? Would you be saying that if you had never been to a biology lesson? I am seeing a moon which I accept as real because my experience tells me so. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:30:16 GMT -5
Yes, everything exist only in appearance, If you see the brain of the person, then brain is appearing. But there is no brain in itself. That would be an odd place to live from though, wouldn't it ? Denying the existence of a brain in your head unless it actually appears? I am directly perceiving and concluding, but you are speculating from what you have seen and concluding. You are seeing the moon and speculating that it's dangling in the sky, but I am not speculating that, I am simply perceiving and saying that moon is appearing to me. Why do you bring some kind of world which you have never seen in your life time? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 10:30:36 GMT -5
Inxide or outside of what? Where does moon appear? Are you seeing the moon which exist outside Or are you seeing the image of the moon which your brain is creating? What?  My brain creates the moon now? You've just completely gone against everything you have previously said. I don't have a problem with the idea of an image being created in the brain, I am surprised to hear you say it. So the inside is 'inside my brain' and the outside is 'outside my brain'? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:32:04 GMT -5
Okay, let's assume it's in the sky, but where does the perception happens? Are you seeing the real moon or image of the moon which your Brain received? Would you be saying that if you had never been to a biology lesson? I am seeing a moon which I accept as real because my experience tells me so. Are you trying to dodge now rather than answering the simple question? Do I have to take class about how brains receives the perception? Doesn't your science teacher teaches you that how perception is being made? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 10:32:12 GMT -5
That would be an odd place to live from though, wouldn't it ? Denying the existence of a brain in your head unless it actually appears? I am directly perceiving and concluding, but you are speculating from what you have seen and concluding. You are seeing the moon and speculating that it's dangling in the sky, but I am not speculating that, I am simply perceiving and saying that moon is appearing to me. Why do you bring some kind of world which you have never seen in your life time? And the image of the moon is created in your brain is what you are also saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:33:30 GMT -5
That would be an odd place to live from though, wouldn't it ? Denying the existence of a brain in your head unless it actually appears? I am directly perceiving and concluding, but you are speculating from what you have seen and concluding. You are seeing the moon and speculating that it's dangling in the sky, but I am not speculating that, I am simply perceiving and saying that moon is appearing to me. Why do you bring some kind of world which you have never seen in your life time? It's NOT speculation. It is seen dangling in the sky because that is your experience. You are not getting it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:33:38 GMT -5
Where does moon appear? Are you seeing the moon which exist outside Or are you seeing the image of the moon which your brain is creating? What? My brain creates the moon now? You've just completely gone against everything you have previously said. I don't have a problem with the idea of an image being created in the brain, I am surprised to hear you say it. So the inside is 'inside my brain' and the outside is 'outside my brain'? You believe that you are perceiving through the eyes, right? If so, your brain is receiving those perception through your eyes,right? That's what I said your brain is creating the perception. Are you perceiving the actual moon or are you perceiving the image of the moon? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 10:34:12 GMT -5
Would you be saying that if you had never been to a biology lesson? I am seeing a moon which I accept as real because my experience tells me so. Are you trying to dodging now rather than answering the simple question? Do I have to take class about how brains receives the perception? Doesn't your science teacher teaches you that how perception is being made? How do you know about brains? |
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Post by laughter on Sept 17, 2016 10:34:22 GMT -5
Right, you're dismissing what I wrote (and also what you wrote) based on a subjective opinion in order to justify inviting a circular dialog. I would describe it as sticking to the key point. And that would be you aggrandizing yourself as a follow-up to dismissing me. But you see, you have no foundation for your opinions, where I can offer objective evidence of how I kept the dialog on point. At one juncture, you very specifically mistated the "two truths" you claim are oppostional and yet true at the same time. Pointing that out to you was, quite literally, keeping the dialog "on point". Can you link to something specific along those lines you wrote in that dialog as foundation for your opinons? I can for my opinions.  |
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My brain creates the moon now? You've just completely gone against everything you have previously said. I don't have a problem with the idea of an image being created in the brain, I am surprised to hear you say it. 