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Post by enigma on Sept 7, 2016 2:20:28 GMT -5
You think after realization you don't feel good? If you feel good then you would feel bad soon, feeling are dualistic in nature. That's what peace is absence not the presence of something. Zackly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 2:20:36 GMT -5
When he says existence, he is pointing out the ultimate awareness in which everything appear and disappears. If he thinks that's meaningless abstraction he hasn't heard what his teachers have been trying to say. What his teachers have been trying to say, yes. He always depends upon what some one else says rather than looking into his own experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 2:34:50 GMT -5
Yes it is, but not after realization. That's what he says he finds the joy in both sides of the rollercoaster. Yes, I know it's difficult for peeps to accept that there is joy in fear and sorrow, even as they seek it out for the enjoyable experience. It's only difficult because they are unconscious. Yin and Yang are completely intertwined.  Yes, I can understand that. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 7, 2016 3:10:43 GMT -5
Well, to me it's all speculated, so I just look and see the moon is there - no speculation necessary - but speculation is fun after that. Infact you are right, inner and outer bifurcation comes later. But since the moment we started to question whether there is a objective moon exist outside of us, we have fallen into two possibilities, one is moon exist only in our perception or moon exist outside of us, the point is, moon doesn't exist outside of us. Well, it's hard to tell what degrees of objectivity and subjectivity make up the world as we know it. But it seems the universe includes both of these qualities, and even though the moon is there for any person, it still appears according to the state of the observer. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:54:23 GMT -5
It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. Wanting to have certain feelings is the real problem. Having feelings is not a problem. Feelings are also Brahman. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:55:18 GMT -5
Wanting to have certain feelings is the real problem. Having feelings is not a problem. Feelings are also Brahman. Yes, having feelings is not a problem, but wanting to feel certain feelings are problematic. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:56:05 GMT -5
But awareness is experienced as reflected consciousness in mind and body. That's why I say you are existence consciousness bliss. Awareness cannot see itself like the sun cannot see itself. But if we see the sun reflected in a mirror and the mirror is the mind and body then it is experienced. That is why we say peace is experienced unconditionally as the light of consciousness as ananda. It is not an absence of suffering but a presence of absolute consciousness which dispels the darkness of suffering which is just wrong identification with objects. Awareness can't see itself because Awareness is seeing itself. you are not understanding the dualistic nature of feeling that's the foremost problem here. Wanting to feel love attracts hate as it's opposite. Wanting to feel happy attracts it's unhappiness. Wanting to be free attracts the thing from which you want to free yourself. Consciousness is the creator. What understanding of dualistic nature? Just feel. There is nothing you can do about it so why worry about it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:58:28 GMT -5
That different experience is to simply go within and transcend the tracks. Endless and pointless dialogue is for those who haven't discovered this simple truth. When the going within/without is done there's no longer any persistent illusion of inner/outer, and this isn't transitory. Refraining from promulgating endless and pointless dialog by attaching to a particular use of a word avoids the appearance of this.  Yeah, when it's done by all means refrain. I'm talking to those who aren't done. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:58:53 GMT -5
Awareness can't see itself because Awareness is seeing itself. you are not understanding the dualistic nature of feeling that's the foremost problem here. Wanting to feel love attracts hate as it's opposite. Wanting to feel happy attracts it's unhappiness. Wanting to be free attracts the thing from which you want to free yourself. Consciousness is the creator. What understanding of dualistic nature? Just feel. There is nothing you can do about it so why worry about it? Dualistic nature is also not a problem, the problem is trying to remain in one side of the rollercoaster and trying to push away from another. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 3:59:22 GMT -5
If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? Really? You want to do this all over again?? There are always opportunities to keep going over it until it's understood. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 4:01:11 GMT -5
It's just a TMT play on the two words, peace and knowing. I clearly don't have any confusion with what enigma calls as Peace and I clearly see the problem of Satch's peace. But Satch consistently fails to understand. Enigma knows what's Peace, I know what's not Peace. That's what I clearly find the problem with Satch's Peace but Satch consistently shows the ignorance. If you know what is not peace, then are you qualified to talk about what is peace? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 4:03:38 GMT -5
We want to feel happiness and avoid suffering because we are already complete. There is nothing to attain except to remove the veil of ignorance to reveal what is always there, the light of consciousness which is itself nothing other than peace. So called conditional peace is when we see just a glimpse of absolute reality. When it is realized in totality, it shines forth always. That's what makes it unconditional. There is only one Peace. This is where the real problem comes in. Our wanting to have some kind of feeling pushes us to it's opposite sooner or later, but surely it does. The search for peace and happiness is a recognition of what already lies within. The next step is to realize that what is changing cannot be what you are. We must connect with the unchanging to discover peace. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 4:04:23 GMT -5
I clearly don't have any confusion with what enigma calls as Peace and I clearly see the problem of Satch's peace. But Satch consistently fails to understand. Enigma knows what's Peace, I know what's not Peace. That's what I clearly find the problem with Satch's Peace but Satch consistently shows the ignorance. If you know what is not peace, then are you qualified to talk about what is peace? Yes, I might not be, but I am qualified to say what's not peace, So I am saying to you that what you are talking is not a peace. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 4:04:39 GMT -5
Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. Hence why equanimity and Peace are so rare, and why the roller coaster is so popular. Refer to my previous reply to gopal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 4:05:33 GMT -5
Is there something wrong with wanting to feel good? Yes, it misses the point of freedom. There is no point to freedom. It just is. It is your natural state. |
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