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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:57:20 GMT -5
Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. We want to feel happiness and avoid suffering because we are already complete. There is nothing to attain except to remove the veil of ignorance to reveal what is always there, the light of consciousness which is itself nothing other than peace. So called conditional peace is when we see just a glimpse of absolute reality. When it is realized in totality, it shines forth always. That's what makes it unconditional. There is only one Peace. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2016 1:10:29 GMT -5
It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. We want to feel happiness and avoid suffering because we are already complete. There is nothing to attain except to remove the veil of ignorance to reveal what is always there, the light of consciousness which is itself nothing other than peace. So called conditional peace is when we see just a glimpse of absolute reality. When it is realized in totality, it shines forth always. That's what makes it unconditional. There is only one Peace. In the roller coaster metaphor the rider is stuck to a track, and what she experiences are the highs and the lows from avoiding pain and pursuing pleasure. There is a different experience possible that's not tied to the contours of the track. There's no need to attach to a particular use of a word, it just promulgates endless and pointless dialog. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:30:48 GMT -5
Yes it is, but not after realization. That's what he says he finds the joy in both sides of the rollercoaster. You think after realization you don't feel good? If you feel good then you would feel bad soon, feeling are dualistic in nature. That's what peace is absence not the presence of something. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:33:28 GMT -5
We want to feel happiness and avoid suffering because we are already complete. There is nothing to attain except to remove the veil of ignorance to reveal what is always there, the light of consciousness which is itself nothing other than peace. So called conditional peace is when we see just a glimpse of absolute reality. When it is realized in totality, it shines forth always. That's what makes it unconditional. There is only one Peace. In the roller coaster metaphor the rider is stuck to a track, and what she experiences are the highs and the lows from avoiding pain and pursuing pleasure. There is a different experience possible that's not tied to the contours of the track. There's no need to attach to a particular use of a word, it just promulgates endless and pointless dialog. That different experience is to simply go within and transcend the tracks. Endless and pointless dialogue is for those who haven't discovered this simple truth. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 7, 2016 1:35:20 GMT -5
A tenkatology is never an answer. Did someone ask you to weigh in on this? If so, please provide a link to the post. Your response is why. Has anyone asked you to point out what your mind thinks about my comments? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:35:25 GMT -5
I know the conditional peace which you are talking about. Everybody else in this universe must have experienced that peace and wrongly misconceived that that was peace and they must be trying to retain that peace for themselves but ultimately they would fail. There is only one kind of peace which is the light of consciousness.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:35:48 GMT -5
Do you know what is the meaning of meditation when people talks about that,right? Yes I do. There is meditation as a practice and there is meditation as the natural state after realization. That's funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:36:28 GMT -5
OFCOURSE! That's what move you into the roller coaster, that's what push you to experience the happy side of the roller coaster beyond it's limit So the depth of unhappiness is also higher thereby it could lead to suffering. When he says Peace is the absence of suffering, He says once after you have realized the peace, your consciousness doesn't CREATE SUFFERING, It falls within the limits of happy and unhappy rollercoaster. I've never ever heard that wanting to feel good is not good. Wanting to have certain feeling is what the real problem, because it moves you through the rollecoaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:36:45 GMT -5
You think after realization you don't feel good? If you feel good then you would feel bad soon, feeling are dualistic in nature. That's what peace is absence not the presence of something. We cannot avoid dualism. Dualism is the Maya shakti. It is also Brahman. Peace is the light of Brahman (consciousness). Know you are that and you are at peace. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:37:27 GMT -5
Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. Wanting to have certain feelings is the real problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:40:34 GMT -5
When he says existence, he is pointing out the ultimate awareness in which everything appear and disappears. But awareness is experienced as reflected consciousness in mind and body. That's why I say you are existence consciousness bliss. Awareness cannot see itself like the sun cannot see itself. But if we see the sun reflected in a mirror and the mirror is the mind and body then it is experienced. That is why we say peace is experienced unconditionally as the light of consciousness as ananda. It is not an absence of suffering but a presence of absolute consciousness which dispels the darkness of suffering which is just wrong identification with objects. Awareness can't see itself because Awareness is seeing itself. you are not understanding the dualistic nature of feeling that's the foremost problem here. Wanting to feel love attracts hate as it's opposite. Wanting to feel happy attracts it's unhappiness. Wanting to be free attracts the thing from which you want to free yourself. Consciousness is the creator. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2016 1:42:13 GMT -5
In the roller coaster metaphor the rider is stuck to a track, and what she experiences are the highs and the lows from avoiding pain and pursuing pleasure. There is a different experience possible that's not tied to the contours of the track. There's no need to attach to a particular use of a word, it just promulgates endless and pointless dialog. That different experience is to simply go within and transcend the tracks. Endless and pointless dialogue is for those who haven't discovered this simple truth. When the going within/without is done there's no longer any persistent illusion of inner/outer, and this isn't transitory. Refraining from promulgating endless and pointless dialog by attaching to a particular use of a word avoids the appearance of this.  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 7, 2016 1:42:53 GMT -5
You think peace to be some kind of good feeling. Aren't you? If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? Really? You want to do this all over again?? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:43:31 GMT -5
I know the conditional peace which you are talking about. Everybody else in this universe must have experienced that peace and wrongly misconceived that that was peace and they must be trying to retain that peace for themselves but ultimately they would fail. It's just a TMT play on the two words, peace and knowing. I clearly don't have any confusion with what enigma calls as Peace and I clearly see the problem of Satch's peace. But Satch consistently fails to understand. Enigma knows what's Peace, I know what's not Peace. That's what I clearly find the problem with Satch's Peace but Satch consistently shows the ignorance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 1:45:12 GMT -5
It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. There is nothing to attain except to remove the veil of ignorance to reveal what is always there, the light of consciousness which is itself nothing other than peace. So called conditional peace is when we see just a glimpse of absolute reality. When it is realized in totality, it shines forth always. That's what makes it unconditional. There is only one Peace. This is where the real problem comes in. Our wanting to have some kind of feeling pushes us to it's opposite sooner or later, but surely it does. |
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