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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:25:17 GMT -5
Yeah, that's one of the reason, another reason is to escape from one side of the rollercoaster. Yeah, to stop feeling bad. That's what I mean by needing to feel good. Oh okay, make clear sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:25:38 GMT -5
Seriously I don't see what's the problem between you and lolly and I don't think lolly is an threatening character like Satch. Perhaps I am wrong because I haven't read conversation between you and lolly more carefully. But somehow by reading your reply, I understood that you have been deeply stressed by what he has written, but I don't what's that. No, I'm not 'deeply stressed' by anything Lolly has said. I'm trying to point out his misperception as I do for others. Okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:28:44 GMT -5
When you do not suffer you are in peace ,aren't you? Why it is so difficult for you? Some kind good feeling you want to refer it as peace? If you are at peace, would you say that's a good feeling or a bad feeling? That's what I keep repeating you are thinking peace is some kind of feeling, but It obviously not. Because it's a kind of feeling, then it would be mutually defining polarity. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:29:42 GMT -5
No, this is absolutely wrong. You are existence itself. You are some kind of bliss which comes and goes. Have you not noticed that there is a duality of world that is experienced? You cannot say you are existence alone. That is an abstract meaningless statement? When he says existence, he is pointing out the ultimate awareness in which everything appear and disappears. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:31:42 GMT -5
You think peace to be some kind of good feeling. Aren't you? If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? I know the conditional peace which you are talking about. Everybody else in this universe must have experienced that peace and wrongly misconceived that that was peace and they must be trying to retain that peace for themselves but ultimately they would fail. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:32:51 GMT -5
You don't meditate but meditation happens to you? Meditation does not happen to me. It is my natural state. It has no beginning or end. It is choiceless awareness. So there is no "happening". You can also call it peace which is without cause and doesn't come and go. You have to understand that you are existence consciousness bliss. These are not three things, but one thing. It is the fundamental teaching of Vedanta. Do you know what is the meaning of meditation when people talks about that,right? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:33:46 GMT -5
And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. Yes it is, but not after realization. That's what he says he finds the joy in both sides of the rollercoaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:34:29 GMT -5
If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? I know the conditional peace which you are talking about. Everybody else in this universe must have experienced that peace and wrongly misconceived that that was peace and they must be trying to retain that peace for themselves but ultimately they would fail. There is only one kind of peace which is the light of consciousness. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:36:01 GMT -5
Meditation does not happen to me. It is my natural state. It has no beginning or end. It is choiceless awareness. So there is no "happening". You can also call it peace which is without cause and doesn't come and go. You have to understand that you are existence consciousness bliss. These are not three things, but one thing. It is the fundamental teaching of Vedanta. Do you know what is the meaning of meditation when people talks about that,right? Yes I do. There is meditation as a practice and there is meditation as the natural state after realization. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, to stop feeling bad. That's what I mean by needing to feel good. Is there something wrong with wanting to feel good? OFCOURSE! That's what move you into the roller coaster, that's what push you to experience the happy side of the roller coaster beyond it's limit So the depth of unhappiness is also higher thereby it could lead to suffering. When he says Peace is the absence of suffering, He says once after you have realized the peace, your consciousness doesn't CREATE SUFFERING, It falls within the limits of happy and unhappy rollercoaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:36:45 GMT -5
Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. Yes it is, but not after realization. That's what he says he finds the joy in both sides of the rollercoaster. You think after realization you don't feel good? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:38:41 GMT -5
Is there something wrong with wanting to feel good? OFCOURSE! That's what move you into the roller coaster, that's what push you to experience the happy side of the roller coaster beyond it's limit So the depth of unhappiness is also higher thereby it could lead to suffering. When he says Peace is the absence of suffering, He says once after you have realized the peace, your consciousness doesn't CREATE SUFFERING, It falls within the limits of happy and unhappy rollercoaster. I've never ever heard that wanting to feel good is not good. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2016 0:46:38 GMT -5
And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. It's deeply conditioned and what's just as normal is the strategy of delayed gratification, aka, "no pain no gain" -- go counter to the conditioning and reap the benefits of accomplishment. The peace off the roller coaster is transcendent of that conditioning. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:50:46 GMT -5
Have you not noticed that there is a duality of world that is experienced? You cannot say you are existence alone. That is an abstract meaningless statement? When he says existence, he is pointing out the ultimate awareness in which everything appear and disappears. But awareness is experienced as reflected consciousness in mind and body. That's why I say you are existence consciousness bliss. Awareness cannot see itself like the sun cannot see itself. But if we see the sun reflected in a mirror and the mirror is the mind and body then it is experienced. That is why we say peace is experienced unconditionally as the light of consciousness as ananda. It is not an absence of suffering but a presence of absolute consciousness which dispels the darkness of suffering which is just wrong identification with objects. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2016 0:50:49 GMT -5
If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? I know the conditional peace which you are talking about. Everybody else in this universe must have experienced that peace and wrongly misconceived that that was peace and they must be trying to retain that peace for themselves but ultimately they would fail. It's just a TMT play on the two words, peace and knowing. |
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