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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 17:47:26 GMT -5
And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. Yeah, that's one of the reason, another reason is to escape from one side of the rollercoaster. Yeah, to stop feeling bad. That's what I mean by needing to feel good. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 17:51:40 GMT -5
In the same way Lollycop has learned too much about dysfunctional social dynamics to see what's actually happening, so has Sasquatch learned too much spiritual nonsense to see the simple truth. Seriously I don't see what's the problem between you and lolly and I don't think lolly is an threatening character like Satch. Perhaps I am wrong because I haven't read conversation between you and lolly more carefully. But somehow by reading your reply, I understood that you have been deeply stressed by what he has written, but I don't what's that. No, I'm not 'deeply stressed' by anything Lolly has said. I'm trying to point out his misperception as I do for others. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 18:25:04 GMT -5
Seriously I don't see what's the problem between you and lolly and I don't think lolly is an threatening character like Satch. Perhaps I am wrong because I haven't read conversation between you and lolly more carefully. But somehow by reading your reply, I understood that you have been deeply stressed by what he has written, but I don't what's that. No, I'm not 'deeply stressed' by anything Lolly has said. I'm trying to point out his misperception as I do for others. Has anyone asked you to point out what your mind thinks is a misperception?  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 18:30:34 GMT -5
No, I'm not 'deeply stressed' by anything Lolly has said. I'm trying to point out his misperception as I do for others. Has anyone asked you to point out what your mind thinks is a misperception? I don't think so. Why does that matter? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 18:32:46 GMT -5
Has anyone asked you to point out what your mind thinks is a misperception? I don't think so. Why does that matter? Because it does. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 18:37:28 GMT -5
I don't think so. Why does that matter? Because it does. A tenkatology is never an answer. Did someone ask you to weigh in on this? If so, please provide a link to the post. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 18:40:41 GMT -5
A tenkatology is never an answer. Did someone ask you to weigh in on this? If so, please provide a link to the post. Your response is why. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:22:32 GMT -5
It sounds to me as though you are talking more about 'what give rise to' Peace, rather than peace. & I would agree that what gives rise to peace is not itself 'an experience' per se, but it's also not separate from experience. If peace is not a feeling, not an experience, why the heck even call it 'peace' then? ....I'd describe it as a rather beautiful sense of easy, flowing, well being...of loving what is at it's foundation. And yes, it's a felt sense that is absent a felt sense of resistance, but it is much more than just the absence of resistance...it's the presence of knowing that all is fundamentally well. If it's clarity or more specifically an absence that's being referenced, why call it 'peace' at all?..why not just call it 'an absence' or 'clarity'? From what i've seen, when most teachers (the ones I rez with anyway, haha) reference 'peace,' they are speaking of that felt sense of goodness that is experienced when the clouds part, when what you are, (when what is the seat of being) shines through. It's felt, it's experienced..it is presence itself. When you do not suffer you are in peace ,aren't you? Why it is so difficult for you? Some kind good feeling you want to refer it as peace? If you are at peace, would you say that's a good feeling or a bad feeling? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:24:31 GMT -5
Jiva is the individual living entity or life force. You are not existence itself. You are existence consciousness bliss. When you know that we will have something to talk about. No, this is absolutely wrong. You are existence itself. You are some kind of bliss which comes and goes. Have you not noticed that there is a duality of world that is experienced? You cannot say you are existence alone. That is an abstract meaningless statement? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:27:23 GMT -5
If it's arising, In the moment it is, it doesn't matter why, unless your intent is to hang onto it. You are holding the feeling of peace as separate from that which you are. It's not. In any moment When you feel good, (and shades of well being), what you fundamentally are, is shining through. When you feel less than good, or in a state of dis-ease, that which you are fundamentally, is temporarily being obscured. The experience of Feeling good/well being, is your indicator that your fundamental nature is not being obscured. It doesn't matter what thought you entertained (or didn't) that gave rise to that sense of well being, in the moment that it is, the ground of your being is arising in experience, unfettered. You think peace to be some kind of good feeling. Aren't you? If you have ever experienced peace how is it known to you? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:37:06 GMT -5
I don't meditate. Haven't done so for years. Ramana said the purpose of practice was to end practice. Well, it's ended. You don't meditate but meditation happens to you? Meditation does not happen to me. It is my natural state. It has no beginning or end. It is choiceless awareness. So there is no "happening". You can also call it peace which is without cause and doesn't come and go. You have to understand that you are existence consciousness bliss. These are not three things, but one thing. It is the fundamental teaching of Vedanta. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:39:25 GMT -5
You are in peace when you don't suffer, right? You are not in peace when you suffer, right? Is it hard to understand for you? In the same way Lollycop has learned too much about dysfunctional social dynamics to see what's actually happening, so has Sasquatch learned too much spiritual nonsense to see the simple truth. Have you ever come across any spiritual stuff that isn't nonsense? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:40:26 GMT -5
That's the way satch and Figgles are believing to be the case. And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. Wanting to feel good and avoid suffering is normal human behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 22:42:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that's one of the reason, another reason is to escape from one side of the rollercoaster. Yeah, to stop feeling bad. That's what I mean by needing to feel good. Is there something wrong with wanting to feel good? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 0:24:29 GMT -5
completely agree, but I have the meaning of order, But you don't have any meaning, What's order for you? I believe everything properly ordered, for an instance,ordered universe includes the movement of sun as well as the movement of mine, my path is strictly has been destined and when I say my life falls under the ordered way, I mean not only mine but all the being who come and goes whose life has also been ordered. I am not sure whether future is predetermined, because predetermination were to the case individual must be real which I can never know, but I know by every step of mine, I queues up all the events which goes until my death. For instance, I tell you something which explains you clearly what I mean here, After reading the book of tolle(which happened four or three years ago), I started to concentrate on the present moment, In ZD's term, that's called ATA-T, I hold my focus on the present continuously, whenever I loose my focus, I pull back to the present moment, but What I observed was, this moment would ultimately be collapsed sooner or later, but the interesting things is that that moment I started to focus on present moment all other moment of mine like collapsing and then back to ATA-T was also determined or ready to experience the moment I start to do ATA-T. So all I am saying is, I know I am dreaming which I know for sure, If I dream, then order has always been the case. What lots of peeps take for granted is the profound depth of this order. The one's that don't take that for granted are still confronted with the limit of our understanding of this order, where we find a disordered unpredictability that applies to any particular event we might conceive of. That limit is unapproachable by intellect but it's not impenetrable. Attention must turn to the nature of what those appearances appear to, and with the intellect quiescent in the turning. What you're describing is a state of not-knowing, and we've discussed this before several times -- I've got nothing more to say to you on that topic except to wish you all the best with it. Seriously. I am not sure whether I understood you, Do you mean to say it's in chaotic when you are in your nightly dream? |
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