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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:38:51 GMT -5
You seem pleased with you victory. What victory? What are you talking about? I was defeated. If my zen stick had cured him of his abuse it would have been a victory. But he subsequently came back and unleashed more abuse, this time insulting someone's wife and showing his prejudice towards gay people. It was a resounding defeat for me. You still say it's a zen stick? Did you forget the outburst anger on that day? That you use as a zen stick for me? Well , I report this post to Peter, let me see what he does in this place, ok? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:58:16 GMT -5
I was only kidding about the figment thing. That was from a Gopal discussion weeks ago that I found amusing.
Um, otherwise, have you ever experienced a coincidence? If so, my suggestion is that you find something coincidental because it is a meaningful experience.
I've always been fascinated by coincidences. There is always a statistical possibility of a coincidence happening yet the mind can interpret it as having some kind of mystical significance. Who knows. The other interesting experience is deja vu. Looking more clearly here reveal many truth in this place. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 9:07:11 GMT -5
I've always been fascinated by coincidences. There is always a statistical possibility of a coincidence happening yet the mind can interpret it as having some kind of mystical significance. Who knows. The other interesting experience is deja vu. Yea deja vu. On the coincidence level, Yadira is sitting next to me in the bed and recognized your symbol in the icon just now as the same symbol from the painting on our wall, hehe.
On the level of meaning, I spose the meaning of a coincidence is whatever the individuals chooses to supply it with. When there's personal unconsciousness involved the meaning will almost inevitably be in furtherance of the avoidance of unconsciousness or in some sort of self seeking loop. I spose in the more highly conscious it may just lead to a heightened enjoyment of the moment or appreciation for life and being alive. Jed McKenna talks about making micro adjustments to the trajectory and things like that and synchronicity or 'signs' can be a part of that interplay.
Coincidence is very important thing to be noticed in this universe. Setting an intention at subconscious level queues up many coincidences to reach our goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 9:07:52 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure what you mean on ascribing causality to an abstract whole. Obviously, the idea of oneness is not what oneness is pointing to. The experience of oneness is not the experience of a separate person at the center of an impossible to divide whole universe. The loss of consciousness or the gaining of identification comes through rejection of personal experience, which is a rejection of the universe relative to the person, or vice versa. These personal rejections aren't random, but perfectly ordered. Synchronicity reveals that perfect order in a personally meaningful way (or universally, depends on how you look at it). The source of the person's perception is not the person, and the idea one is separate from that source isn't true.
Right you see the intellect can fool itself and settle for an understanding of the distinction between the oneness and the idea of oneness when it turns out that's actually some very deep water. It's essentially the same dynamic that you were writing about here and here for instance. And it can happen with any pointer. If we take that order you refer to for instance, this is something that really has to be felt and yes the synchs can be a part of that. There's other facets to this aspect of what feels like integration that involve perceiving this beautiful constant movement that sustains us as essentially loving and benevolent, and that even in face of some of it's less than lovely and perhaps even more malignant aspects. A good rule of thumb for likely unconscious compartmentalization would be objections to ideas like "God's Love", even as the intellect has accepted and adopted the notion of an ordered Universe.Can you explain me this Laugther? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 9:10:55 GMT -5
I've always been fascinated by coincidences. There is always a statistical possibility of a coincidence happening yet the mind can interpret it as having some kind of mystical significance. Who knows. The other interesting experience is deja vu. There are natural and spontaneous consequences to the way oneness moves that mind has enormous difficulty wrapping itself around simply because mind discerns by breaking things apart; making distinctions, which is precisely counter to how oneness expresses. I've tried to explain to Gopal why spontaneous creation looks like predetermination to mind, and I've tried to explain to Tenka how cause and effect can be absent in the physical universe and yet the world seems to move in perfect harmony with certain principles and natural laws. I failed on both counts. What we mean by coincidence is that one separate part of experience seems to 'overlap' another separate part of experience in such a way that these separate parts seem somehow connected. Truly, the miracle is in how they somehow seem separate. There is a sharp difference from what I talk about that. You are imagining something else rather than accepting what's cleanly presented to us. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 9:49:52 GMT -5
Yes, Actually he couldn't control his outburst anger on that day, Infact I was there to face that anger, I was actually noticing his increase of anger to the fullest level, By his act he was caught up exactly, So he couldn't say that he is in peace anymore and also he couldn't place himself in teacher's mode. So he started to paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick. He doesn't even have a courage to admit his mistake. The funny thing is, he is still proclaiming himself to be in untouched peace even after he has written the below paragraph. The funny thing is, he is still saying that he is peace and arguing with people who are in peace and saying to them that they are not in peace, how funny it is! Well, abuse being passed of a 'a great love is basically the game of power on STF, so enigmas insults being passed off as 'true' is also the same game, but less extreme. If I was offended it would be my fault I'm offended, and nothing to do with being insulted. This is the game. It would be delivered as 'true' while I am positioned as 'misperception' 'contagious' ad the other ones I forget now - it all power positioning at play. People here question why there are insults and abuses going on, and I explain what is underneath it, but people don't want to understand the ongoing dynamic which creates the issues, so they make up 'lollicop', which is also just the game. People ask why there is alot of rudeness around here, but they don't care for the explanation. I know the reasons why, though. I don't recall people asking, likely because it's pretty obvious. You understand part of the dynamic, and you're obsessed with it. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 9:55:04 GMT -5
Are you asking me what I think or are you speculating about what I think? Absence of bananas does indeed mean no bananas. But is peace absence of suffering? You could say peace is characterised by an absence of suffering. But to define it as an absence tells me this is all dry theory. It's in line with the way you focus on the impersonal and the denial of experience. I guess you hate being a peep huh? You are in peace when you don't suffer, right? You are not in peace when you suffer, right? Is it hard to understand for you? In the same way Lollycop has learned too much about dysfunctional social dynamics to see what's actually happening, so has Sasquatch learned too much spiritual nonsense to see the simple truth. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2016 10:15:25 GMT -5
Are you asking me if I hate being a peep or are you speculating about it? There's no theory involved here. I've been trying to get across the idea that for suffering to end, nothing more is needed than for suffering to be absent. (I think I'm beginning to see why Tenka resorts to Tenkatologies) Perhaps you're thinking that the end of suffering is not enough, and something must come along to make one feel good. That presupposes that no-suffering is a neutral state. That would only be true if suffering were only happening half the time for the average peep. It's happening all the time. (See head banging analogy)Folks are always seeking something better. This seeking IS suffering from an objective perspective. Subjectively it will range from happiness to unhappiness, but there is struggle in all of it. Point being that the absence of that struggle is enough. That's the way satch and Figgles are believing to be the case. And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 10:38:37 GMT -5
There are no "coincidences" and no "sychronisities", like at all. That's all baby-talk in the dream-state. No, there is coincidences and synchronicity. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:41:05 GMT -5
That's the way satch and Figgles are believing to be the case. And needing to feel good is what gets peeps back on the roller coaster. Yeah, that's one of the reason, another reason is to escape from one side of the rollercoaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:42:43 GMT -5
You are in peace when you don't suffer, right? You are not in peace when you suffer, right? Is it hard to understand for you? In the same way Lollycop has learned too much about dysfunctional social dynamics to see what's actually happening, so has Sasquatch learned too much spiritual nonsense to see the simple truth. Seriously I don't see what's the problem between you and lolly and I don't think lolly is an threatening character like Satch. Perhaps I am wrong because I haven't read conversation between you and lolly more carefully. But somehow by reading your reply, I understood that you have been deeply stressed by what he has written, but I don't what's that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:48:08 GMT -5
This is what I call as speculation because you are not seeing the outer moon, you are seeing inner moon and outer moon is speculated. Well, to me it's all speculated, so I just look and see the moon is there - no speculation necessary - but speculation is fun after that. Infact you are right, inner and outer bifurcation comes later. But since the moment we started to question whether there is a objective moon exist outside of us, we have fallen into two possibilities, one is moon exist only in our perception or moon exist outside of us, the point is, moon doesn't exist outside of us. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 6, 2016 13:53:00 GMT -5
Right you see the intellect can fool itself and settle for an understanding of the distinction between the oneness and the idea of oneness when it turns out that's actually some very deep water. It's essentially the same dynamic that you were writing about here and here for instance. And it can happen with any pointer. If we take that order you refer to for instance, this is something that really has to be felt and yes the synchs can be a part of that. There's other facets to this aspect of what feels like integration that involve perceiving this beautiful constant movement that sustains us as essentially loving and benevolent, and that even in face of some of it's less than lovely and perhaps even more malignant aspects. A good rule of thumb for likely unconscious compartmentalization would be objections to ideas like "God's Love", even as the intellect has accepted and adopted the notion of an ordered Universe.Can you explain me this Laugther? If one looks for answers with the intellect deeply and doggedly enough they'll eventually find evidence of what can only be called a miracle. Looking outward with telescopes we find that most of what is around is, on these grand scales impossible to truly imagine, is lifeless and inert, while here where we live is this riot of life. Looking inward on small scales, we discover that the Universe is intricately ordered like a clockwork. Change one parameter like the gravitational constant or the charge on an electron out in the 100th decimal place, and the entire thing collapses. Once this is all understood, objections to the idea of a loving and benevolent God can only source from some sort of sense of false identity. Of course, all these constructs that science reports back to us can be understood in terms of the cultural conditioning of the scientists doing the reporting. That's when things have the potential to really get interesting.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 14:21:12 GMT -5
Can you explain me this Laugther? If one looks for answers with the intellect deeply and doggedly enough they'll eventually find evidence of what can only be called a miracle. Looking outward with telescopes we find that most of what is around is, on these grand scales impossible to truly imagine, is lifeless and inert, while here where we live is this riot of life. Looking inward on small scales, we discover that the Universe is intricately ordered like a clockwork. Change one parameter like the gravitational constant or the charge on an electron out in the 100th decimal place, and the entire thing collapses. Once this is all understood, objections to the idea of a loving and benevolent God can only source from some sort of sense of false identity. Of course, all these constructs that science reports back to us can be understood in terms of the cultural conditioning of the scientists doing the reporting. That's when things have the potential to really get interesting. completely agree, but I have the meaning of order, But you don't have any meaning, What's order for you? I believe everything properly ordered, for an instance,ordered universe includes the movement of sun as well as the movement of mine, my path is strictly has been destined and when I say my life falls under the ordered way, I mean not only mine but all the being who come and goes whose life has also been ordered. I am not sure whether future is predetermined, because predetermination were to be the case other individual must be real which I can never know, but I know by every step of mine, I queues up all the events which goes until my death. For instance, I tell you something which explains you clearly what I mean here, After reading the book of tolle(which happened four or three years ago), I started to concentrate on the present moment, In ZD's term, that's called ATA-T, I hold my focus on the present continuously, whenever I loose my focus, I pull back to the present moment, but What I observed was, this moment would ultimately be collapsed sooner or later, but the interesting things is that that moment I started to focus on present moment all other moment of mine like collapsing and then back to ATA-T was also determined or ready to experience. So all I am saying is, I know I am dreaming which I know for sure, If I dream, then order has always been the case. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 6, 2016 14:34:28 GMT -5
If one looks for answers with the intellect deeply and doggedly enough they'll eventually find evidence of what can only be called a miracle. Looking outward with telescopes we find that most of what is around is, on these grand scales impossible to truly imagine, is lifeless and inert, while here where we live is this riot of life. Looking inward on small scales, we discover that the Universe is intricately ordered like a clockwork. Change one parameter like the gravitational constant or the charge on an electron out in the 100th decimal place, and the entire thing collapses. Once this is all understood, objections to the idea of a loving and benevolent God can only source from some sort of sense of false identity. Of course, all these constructs that science reports back to us can be understood in terms of the cultural conditioning of the scientists doing the reporting. That's when things have the potential to really get interesting. completely agree, but I have the meaning of order, But you don't have any meaning, What's order for you? I believe everything properly ordered, for an instance,ordered universe includes the movement of sun as well as the movement of mine, my path is strictly has been destined and when I say my life falls under the ordered way, I mean not only mine but all the being who come and goes whose life has also been ordered. I am not sure whether future is predetermined, because predetermination were to the case individual must be real which I can never know, but I know by every step of mine, I queues up all the events which goes until my death. For instance, I tell you something which explains you clearly what I mean here, After reading the book of tolle(which happened four or three years ago), I started to concentrate on the present moment, In ZD's term, that's called ATA-T, I hold my focus on the present continuously, whenever I loose my focus, I pull back to the present moment, but What I observed was, this moment would ultimately be collapsed sooner or later, but the interesting things is that that moment I started to focus on present moment all other moment of mine like collapsing and then back to ATA-T was also determined or ready to experience the moment I start to do ATA-T. So all I am saying is, I know I am dreaming which I know for sure, If I dream, then order has always been the case. The order I'm referring to is the ordered nature of appearances, in that they're not chaotic but are, for the most part, predictable. What lots of peeps take for granted is the profound depth of this order. The one's that don't take that for granted are still confronted with the limit of our understanding of this order, where we find a disordered unpredictability that applies to any particular event we might conceive of. That limit is unapproachable by intellect but it's not impenetrable. Attention must turn to the nature of what those appearances appear to, and with the intellect quiescent in the turning. What you're describing is a state of not-knowing, and we've discussed this before several times -- I've got nothing more to say to you on that topic except to wish you all the best with it. Seriously. |
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