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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:38:37 GMT -5
So you've taught them how to feel peaceful for a while, and perhaps to mistake that for the Peace that passes understanding, as you apparently have. Good job. Have you read any..... Hold on I forgot. You're not a scholar are you? I wonder what's going to stand the test of time, your silly website on happiness or the Upanishads? Silly website,huh? Silly? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:39:29 GMT -5
Have you read any..... Hold on I forgot. You're not a scholar are you? I wonder what's going to stand the test of time, your silly website on happiness or the Upanishads? Because you've got your name as Satchitananda in here, you don't think that you wrote the Upanishads do you?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:42:17 GMT -5
peace already denotes a kind of absence in common usage. One retreats from intense activity and experiences peace. One resolves an emotional struggle, or relinquishes anxiety, or rests from a trauma, and experiences peace. peace is a kind of resetting back to a stable foundation. The word is appropriate, and it's appropriate to mention that Peace, while resembling some characteristics of the dualistic feeling it references, unlike peace it remains beyond understanding. Ha ha, hedging your bets now are you. You ain't fooling no one here lol. Once once once once, at-least once you may give your attention,right? even if you don't agree, at-least you try to understand what he says. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:48:18 GMT -5
(assume I haven't been following the discussion closely)
what is Enigma dead wrong about? is there a specific point at which you part ways? He doesn't know because he is busy advicing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:49:38 GMT -5
(assume I haven't been following the discussion closely..) what is Enigma dead wrong about? is there a specific point at which you part ways? That's a very good question. Let me answer it this way. It all comes down to the way he has been dealing with the question of unconditional Peace. He thinks that the kind of temporary peace which comes and goes is different from the Peace that passes understanding. I have already explained that there is only one Peace which is the light of consciousness, but it is only experienced as being conditional because the totality of it is obscured by the mind's identification with and attachment to objects. If he really knew this peace, if I could give him a transmission of what ananda is for one minute we would not hear from him for a while. The chatter would cease and when he reappeared he would say I'm done with being a corpse, give me the bliss bunny. Oh Pluseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 7:51:22 GMT -5
I think I established some time ago that you have issues with authority and those in positions of authority. The teacher student relationship is one that has been around for millennia not just among humans, but in the animal kingdom also. It is the most effective means of passing on knowledge. Having said that, it should always be the right of the student to question the wisdom of the teacher and a good teacher will welcome it. To describe it as 'established' misrepresents the arbitrary notion you obviously have as factual knowledge of my persona. Such a declaration was not disclosed by me about myself; its merely a concoction and I' assume you have use for such an image. The reality is, that's got nothing to do with me whatsoever. The use is actually implied by the discursive strategy of your post. If first 'establishes' that I have issues so as to diminish me personally in order to render what I say as invalid. After sufficiently portraying me as irrational due to issues, you proceed to promote the student teacher relationship even though I made no mention of it. My post about casting Tenka as a subject in lack and likely far too invested (which again is a concoction, and by no means 'established') for one reason or the other, compelled you to fortify the student teacher paradigm. Furthermore, your post, as a response to mine, implicilty positions Tenka as the student figure, and Efigma as teach, but I don't recall Tenka ever consenting, agreeing, or giving permission to participating in that sort of relationship. His didn't get to declare himself 'student' and is being forcefully positioned by those who desire the position of teacher. And, it's you who's doing it. If you don't like what I'm saying, just consider me a teacher and this little lecture to be a 'zen stick'. It's not so much fun when you're coercively positioned as student boy and gettin' the zen stick up ya, is it? Lastly, just because I understand the power inherent to relational dynamics, and others don't seem to understand it quite so well, and indeed, have 'too much invested' that impels them to deny it, and also to portray me with issues to make me seem irrational, in no way implies, let alone establishes, I have authority issues. Fact is, I don't, I understand authority. Peter is an authority who could ban my a$$ for saying a$$, and I have no issue. I'm glad he put his foot down when the rabble here was a downer to my awesome vibe... and for a moment or two there, I felt real spiritual. The point is, well there's two... Firstly the image a wise teacher/student is an imaginary positioning of self images (which are established in the symbolic status quo), which doesn't occur to me because I have no use for that sort of relational dynamic. Secondly, there is no justification at all for making Tenka or anyone else a subject to be discussed. The reason for doing so is to define ones own self image in contrast the that which they project, hence the projected image is the inverted figure of the projector. Trouble is, it can't be stopped because the very fabric of the social structure of the forum is a student teacher status quo. Opps, almost forgot to say. In all fairness, if whats good for goose is good for gander, we've 'established' you have a teacher complex and enforce it with a 'zen stick'... He is naming his abusiveness as his zen stick is what confusing me. He want to escape from what he has done, So he is using the name 'zen stick' for his abusiveness. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:02:15 GMT -5
The peace that passes understanding is not an experience Your simile describes a presence. To that extent it fails to describe the actuality. She described presence as rushing in with ease and joy. I don't describe absence as doing anything at all with anything. It's simply an absence of something happening. (i.e. something not happening) Please.  Me too. That's why I said it. Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct Correct |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:03:02 GMT -5
You are holding the feeling of peace as separate from that which you are. It's not. What you are is Peace. I've said that dozens of times, and one of them was in this conversation. I've said that dozens of times too, also in this conversation. Maybe the whole problem is that you and Sasquatch are being rigid and inflexible. Yeah |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:04:25 GMT -5
Well you seemed to relate to it because you referred to dream characters and peeps of the flesh . You might not know if you wife is real butt you have already admitted that you guess she is .. You really can't have a guessing belief about what is real and what is not while declaring you can't relate to what is real and what is not . You don't relate to your wife in the same way as you do the pink elephant do you .. Can you marry a pink elephant ? You never got round to answering why you married you wife? Okay.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:18:51 GMT -5
I don't doubt that you've had some powerful spiritual experiences, but those experiences come and go, and they are not realization. Yes, the peace that you experience in meditation is the same dualistic peace everybody experiences. I don't meditate. Haven't done so for years. Ramana said the purpose of practice was to end practice. Well, it's ended. You don't meditate but meditation happens to you? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:23:46 GMT -5
As already mentioned ... at a point ... meditation is a way of life .. it isn't practiced .. One doesn't practice falling asleep do they? It's worth recognising when a practice no longer becomes a practiced .. If it is way of life then it has to happen like hunger is happening, like breathing is happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:25:39 GMT -5
Vielleicht sein "gut" ist nicht so gut. LOL I kinda sorta appreciate your german skills. I really do. But I speak german better(erer) than you! What's the big deal you speak better german than zendancer? Your native language is german, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:31:29 GMT -5
You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. Before you criticize other people, just recall what happened to you and try to remember why you deleted your account. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:32:11 GMT -5
Ah, you are the defender of gopal's nipples now. Didn't someone here refer to you as an opportunist recently? Can't remember who said that. We would need someone who's good at searching the archives.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:32:41 GMT -5
Well let's hear from the victim of my zen stick. Oh I forgot, he's on his second ban since that incident. You seem pleased with you victory. All the time. |
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