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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 0:50:39 GMT -5
Is this like saying that the whole universe is aware, but not thinking? And thinking, feeling, self-awareness, are all essentially an awareness of say physiological states? It sounds like we are on an airplane, and go up to the penispit, and find it completely empty. Co.ckpit, for those who don't know what a penispit is.  We could say the universe is aware, and thinking only through the individuation. My point to Tzu being that this unique presence has not been created to be independent so as to provide for authenticity in the expression, as the essence from which it is created has no preferences, no thoughts or feelings that might counter that authenticity. This is what the individual expression is for, and it cannot help but be authentic. This expression is not separate from that which is expressing, and so it's not that the individuals are on autopilot, but rather they move as one by default and therefore have no need of guidance. Perfection is a problematic term, and yet it applies here. Very well put. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 2:32:22 GMT -5
oh is it ? Thanks. First of all try to understand what is consciousness,mind,thought, So you could come to the common ground which people are discussing here, So that any one can continue discussion with you, you see you would surely blabber something when we ask some question, so It left the people no way to continue argue with you, Even right now, no one can understand what's your model, You and Tzu never have a common ground or you people don't understand what people are speaking here, For an example, take pilgrims who is understanding everything but he denying the idea, ofcourse this is the different case, but you and Tzu don't even understand what people are speaking here. Did you understand why sca says 'I agree with you'? I am pretty sure you haven't understood because you don't even understand what's going on here. Did you notice that why I have opposed zendancer? at which point? I am also sure even if you read you couldn't have understood, because you are not in common ground you and Tzu doesn't even have the common ground to argue here. This is not intend to hurt you but to tell youto get to the common ground quickly, I know the difficulty of that, So I give a way, Enigma is having one beautiful website 'http://www.realizinghappiness.com/', Just read and carefully get the word usage like what he says about mind,awareness,Consciousness, this would benefit you a lot. Gopal, help me understand this. You say everything is an appearance in consciousness. I agree. You say perceiver is same as perceived. I agree. You seem to agree with Enigma. So what is your disagreement with ZD. he he  he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 3:45:49 GMT -5
Gopal: You're a smart fellow. Surely you can see that I'm not remotely interested in your ideas. If you have attained peace of mind, then that's great. Relax and enjoy life. You seem incredibly certain that I can't be certain, but here's the point------I don't care about that idea either! Go have some fun, and stop thinking so much; you'll be lots happier. ha ha stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so muchstop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much,stop thinking so much How many times are you going to repeat the above line? Are you even least bother about what I have written to you? Do you even understand what I mean by whether other individual are real or figment can't be known? You did not,Isn't it? |
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Post by tzujanli on May 14, 2015 5:01:04 GMT -5
I understand that i am all of reality, experiencing myself through this unique presence we call a body.. i have created this unique presence as an independent version of myself, such that there is authenticity is my self exploration, such that 'i' can't rig the exploration in favor of my preferences, i experience myself authentically.. You're safe. You can't 'rig' the exploration because your essence does not have a mind. As you say, you experience yourself through this unique presence, and not by any other means. Mind IS essence.. you/me/we/us/them/Life/All are essence.. this is where you are trying to create separation in the oneness you say you believe.. oneness doesn't 'have' a mind, it 'IS' mind.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 5:08:15 GMT -5
Gopal, help me understand this. You say everything is an appearance in consciousness. I agree. You say perceiver is same as perceived. I agree. You seem to agree with Enigma. So what is your disagreement with ZD. he he he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. OK so can you be clear about practices. Are you saying that all practices from the traditions of Yoga, Tantra, Buddhism, Sufism etc are all worthless. |
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Post by tzujanli on May 14, 2015 5:26:12 GMT -5
Co.ckpit, for those who don't know what a penispit is. We could say the universe is aware, and thinking only through the individuation. My point to Tzu being that this unique presence has not been created to be independent so as to provide for authenticity in the expression, as the essence from which it is created has no preferences, no thoughts or feelings that might counter that authenticity. This is what the individual expression is for, and it cannot help but be authentic. This expression is not separate from that which is expressing, and so it's not that the individuals are on autopilot, but rather they move as one by default and therefore have no need of guidance. Perfection is a problematic term, and yet it applies here. Very well put. As an imagined fictional account, yes, good marketing.. it's a belief structure that is over-layed onto the actuality of the happening.. E hasn't yet been to zero/neutral/empty, he keeps dragging the burden of his beliefs along with him.. hence his perpetual desire that others hear his message and be converted to his agenda.. |
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Post by andrew on May 14, 2015 5:32:36 GMT -5
Gopal, help me understand this. You say everything is an appearance in consciousness. I agree. You say perceiver is same as perceived. I agree. You seem to agree with Enigma. So what is your disagreement with ZD. he he he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. I understand you consider the knowing that 'there is nothing you can do' to be important, but how do you think one gets to that stage without engaging with, and failing at, practices and looking exercises etc? Based on what you have said, it sounds like you have experienced and realized many things, for example, that perceiver and perceived are one unit, you also had realizations about happiness/unhappiness and LOA and probably many other things. Do you think that these helped you get to the point where you knew that 'there is nothing you can do'? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 5:41:50 GMT -5
As an imagined fictional account, yes, good marketing.. it's a belief structure that is over-layed onto the actuality of the happening.. E hasn't yet been to zero/neutral/empty, he keeps dragging the burden of his beliefs along with him.. hence his perpetual desire that others hear his message and be converted to his agenda.. You seem to have several brands in your marketing portfolio. I just don't know what they are. |
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Post by tzujanli on May 14, 2015 6:03:05 GMT -5
As an imagined fictional account, yes, good marketing.. it's a belief structure that is over-layed onto the actuality of the happening.. E hasn't yet been to zero/neutral/empty, he keeps dragging the burden of his beliefs along with him.. hence his perpetual desire that others hear his message and be converted to his agenda.. You seem to have several brands in your marketing portfolio. I just don't know what they are.[/b] Return to empty.. then you'll realize there's no 'brands' in my message.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:13:20 GMT -5
You seem to have several brands in your marketing portfolio. I just don't know what they are.Wow. That's a good brand in its own right. We could call it "Tzu"s Message" just add water and stir gently. Then leave for five minutes before consuming and returning to empty. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:31:36 GMT -5
he he he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. OK so can you be clear about practices. Are you saying that all practices from the traditions of Yoga, Tantra, Buddhism, Sufism etc are all worthless. Yes, any practices, but I believe these practices are necessary to realize the futility of that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:34:09 GMT -5
OK so can you be clear about practices. Are you saying that all practices from the traditions of Yoga, Tantra, Buddhism, Sufism etc are all worthless. Yes, any practices, but I believe these practices are necessary to realize the futility of that. And when you have realized the futility of all that and you are still seeking, still suffering, what do you do then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:42:55 GMT -5
he he he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. I understand you consider the knowing that 'there is nothing you can do' to be important, but how do you think one gets to that stage without engaging with, and failing at, practices and looking exercises etc? Based on what you have said, it sounds like you have experienced and realized many things, for example, that perceiver and perceived are one unit, you also had realizations about happiness/unhappiness and LOA and probably many other things. Do you think that these helped you get to the point where you knew that 'there is nothing you can do'? "that perceiver and perceived are one unit" I haven't realized this, this is the logical conclusion "happiness/unhappiness " yes it's a realization. "Law of attraction" This is not realization, I happened to see what's happening in the outer world while I was using affirmation in my inner world. It's a direct seeing. Nothing can be done can be realized only after you do all these crappy things. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:43:53 GMT -5
Yes, any practices, but I believe these practices are necessary to realize the futility of that. And when you have realized the futility of all that and you are still seeking, still suffering, what do you do then. Once again I repeat I do not suffer, I told you many times, you are still asking the same question. Do not assume that I am suffering in the way I write to the zendancer. Enigma is also yelling at sometime, do you think that Enigma suffers? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:47:10 GMT -5
And when you have realized the futility of all that and you are still seeking, still suffering, what do you do then. Once again I repeat I do not suffer, I told you many times, you are still asking the same question. Do not assume that I am suffering in the way I write to the zendancer. Enigma is also yelling at sometime, do you think that Enigma suffers? When I say "you" I do not mean you personally, I mean anyone who is a seeker and will hear your advice not to practice. He asks you, what do I do next? |
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he never read what I say and start to advise. that's the only problem with him, I am pointing it very clearly that everything is appearance so nothing can be known beyond that, but don't even consider what I am saying, but he starts to advice me, You see, I am finding very interesting to discuss with certain people here for an example, Enigma,you,Laughter,pilgrims because that interest me a lot, the main reason is, first of all you people listen me what I say and if you accept you would accept, If not , you would reject, I like this way of going, but he never listen what I speak, he directly jump for advising. With Zendancer if you ask me what is the disagreement, I would say I never believe the practices, he always suggest practices. Practices are mind games for me. 
