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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 1:56:45 GMT -5
Yes, but that would be another creation then. Moving away is escaping! It would start to repeat! Yes, this is what I have been talking about. When we reach to the clarity that 'Nothing can be done from our conscious level', all our actions drop away and the related situation would get collapses and people those who continue to bring those emotions would be moved away. If you want to say something Or If you want to contradict my point, you are invited here. I would like to discuss here. It's very rare to see people those talk about "Point of attraction into alignment ". If you were to replace(those) with (that) in our last sentence, you may see somebody whose POINT of attraction is either shallow or at depth. Which is it Gopal? With regards getting-clear, loosing your girlfriend/boyfriend/ Mother or Father to say nothing about your brothers an sisters would bring about a cleansing that would certainly benefit your expressions of interest. Do you understand what he is saying by the word 'Point of attraction'? It's not attracting somebody. It's about how your inner pattern creates the outer experience. Very few has noticed and know this secret. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:02:15 GMT -5
If you were to replace(those) with (that) in our last sentence, you may see somebody whose POINT of attraction is either shallow or at depth. Which is it Gopal? With regards getting-clear, loosing your girlfriend/boyfriend/ Mother or Father to say nothing about your brothers an sisters would bring about a cleansing that would certainly benefit your expressions of interest. Do you understand what he is saying by the word 'Point of attraction'? It's not attracting somebody. It's about how your inner pattern creates the outer experience. Very few has noticed and know this secret. That you have attracted me to yourself... Sure. If you have pain out of depth, IT WILL BRING to your attention the need to heal yourself so that anger is no-longer your issue. I don't have an anger issue, so do you NOT have it also making this conversation of NO-Specific value? With regards the question, which is it Gopal? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:06:57 GMT -5
Do you understand what he is saying by the word 'Point of attraction'? It's not attracting somebody. It's about how your inner pattern creates the outer experience. Very few has noticed and know this secret. That you have attracted me to yourself... Sure. If you have pain out of depth, IT WILL BRING to your attention the need to heal yourself so that anger is no-longer your issue. I don't have an anger issue, so do you NOT have it also making this conversation of NO-Specific value? With regards the question, which is it Gopal? I don't understand what you are asking. So let's leave this conversation here. Meet you in another conversation. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 2:18:43 GMT -5
You were in your mothers womb b4 things were appearing to you . Doctors can confirm this . It's not a trick mate, it is a matter of fact .. don't mess with the facts  .. Your lost and stuck within a theory that doesn't add up nor make sense, you can keep on reciting your theory butt it doesn't hold up does it . You can't even explain how you got here lol .. If I am the only real individual who exist then why would I need to take birth? I am an ever existing in this case. If you keep basing your life experience on if's your likened to be never get a nibble of the dangling carrot . Lets stick to the facts that can be verified just for a minute . You were born unto your mother . Go check the facts, there is no if's about that . The fact that you have a voice in this world as G man cannot take place if your mother wasn't real . You have to understand that fact . Your theory that you are real and perhaps your mother is not is flawed at the core . If you are under the illusion that you were perhaps never born unto your mother as you are the only real individual then there really is no hope for ... Do you have memories as a child? |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 2:26:22 GMT -5
Did your grandmother confirm in someway that your mother is her daughter ... did you have memories as a child .. you know u can only have memories as a child if you were born baby and not a fully grown g man whom can verify their own existence .. If u have memories of a child is that not evident enough that you were born unto your mother? Whatever I am seeing is appearing to me.Those are all the stories appearing to me. Since all of them are appearing to me, how could I know that they are real or reel ? Why would they be stories? You need to understand the nature of appearance G man . I think your under the impression that you are some kind of magician pulling rabbits out of hats . Your parents / grandparents existed prior to your physical birth . Your so called appearances of parents are not your individual manifestation . If they are not real wave your magic wand and see if they disappear .. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 2:28:55 GMT -5
shakes head mate, there might be photo's of your birth .. take a look dear boy .. Do you understand your parents were there for your birth, I have asked you if you know about the birds and the bee's .. Do you? Did your grandmother confirm she gave birth to your mother .. Come on G man, let it go, you can't hold on to this pretence for ever, it's doing you no good man .. i.e he is prior to appearances. But then in the next sentence he will say that his consciousness is an individual one. He's put 2 contexts together and you are chasing him round the room but will never catch him hehehe. It's quite funny to watch. And that's why no-one in their right mind can take his theories seriously .. He doesn't know he was born as an individual . The thing is I don't for a second believe he believes that himself . There is far too much invested in his theory on the forums . it is G mans religion . He is prepared to save his own religion over the realness of his parents .. shakes head .. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:33:14 GMT -5
If I am the only real individual who exist then why would I need to take birth? I am an ever existing in this case. If you keep basing your life experience on if's your likened to be never get a nibble of the dangling carrot . Lets stick to the facts that can be verified just for a minute . You were born unto your mother . Go check the facts, there is no if's about that . The fact that you have a voice in this world as G man cannot take place if your mother wasn't real . You have to understand that fact . Your theory that you are real and perhaps your mother is not is flawed at the core . If you are under the illusion that you were perhaps never born unto your mother as you are the only real individual then there really is no hope for ... Do you have memories as a child? Ok, I give up. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 2:40:15 GMT -5
Its not absurd .. g man can't tell if you exist or not .. show him the way ... otherwise your just a figment .. You appear in Gopal, Gopal appears in you. Do you have to explain consciousness to your appearances? One of us was already in experience prior to the other . This whole appearance thing is misunderstood as in we are somehow magically appearing in consciousness . That's why there is this strange theory doing the rounds that the moon only appears when you perceive it . When G man no longer walks this earth, then everyone will cease to exist .. there will be no explanation necessary  .. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:58:16 GMT -5
Every thought arises in you. Split mind thought is a thought. There is only the current thought. It's interesting how some accuse you of being repetitive rather than acknowledging the significance of knowing there is only THIS. It's the doorway to Self that peeps are continually being dragged away from by Mr Mind. Source is repetitive, for his own reasons. Thinking that he's offering a guided tour of THIS is a noble idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:59:44 GMT -5
Yes, unless he meets another in his daily life that is awake to themselves as Consciousness, he will only be seeing other people that act as though they are 'predetermined'. If he does meet an other that can truly show him that he is them, then the figment idea has a chance to collapse and re-write itself from that moment. All these ciggy men keep bludgeoning him with logical arguments as to why he's wrong but it was an idea similar to this simple notion that flipped his wolf switch this past early spring.  Isn't it possible for two peeps, neither of which who are really awake to themselves as Consciousness, to lose one another together?Yeah, and quite beautiful that would be to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:02:05 GMT -5
Time and space don't exist until you experience them. Same as sun and moon. Yes. Stated a different way, time, space, sun, and moon don't exist until they are imagined. If the mind is silent, the eyes only see the actual--the physical world as a unified field of being. The eyes do not distinguish separate things; the intellect, alone, is what distinguishes separate things by abstracting boundaries and thereby imagining a world of form and void. Time and space are like lines of latitude and longitude--imaginary grids cognitively projected and imposed upon the physical world for purposes of measurement and calculation. Initially, the intellect imagines thingness (form and void). Then, it imagines symbols (words or numbers) which can represent physical things. Later, it imagines relationships and qualities exhibited by things and then symbols for representing those relationships and qualities. Eventually, the intellect creates a vast imaginary simulation of reality--a meta-reality--, and as they grow from childhood to adulthood, humans gradually interact with their mental simulation of reality far more than the physical world. This is what we mean when we say that an adult "lives in his or her head." The average adult, therefore, lives in a kind of surreal trancestate in which the mental meta-reality projected by the intellect influences his or her actions as much, or more, than whatever is happening in the physical world. Tolle and other sages advise people to shift attention away from the meta-reality, and the mindtalk that is part of the meta-reality, to the actuality of whatever is physically happening. This is a shift away from imagining to direct sensory perception and pure being. Selfhood is probably the most powerful product of imagination, and it is only when attention is shifted away from imagination for a sustained period of time that this imaginary projection can be seen for the illusion that it is. The pathless path is a journey away from living in an imaginary meta-reality to being Reality, Itself. It is a journey out of the head to a non-intellectually-oriented way of life. It is being here now as a present moment movement of the entire cosmos. THIS is IT, and we are THIS, and there is nothing other than THIS. Fortunately, THIS can be realized. I believe ya.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:06:08 GMT -5
That you have attracted me to yourself... Sure. If you have pain out of depth, IT WILL BRING to your attention the need to heal yourself so that anger is no-longer your issue. I don't have an anger issue, so do you NOT have it also making this conversation of NO-Specific value? With regards the question, which is it Gopal? I don't understand what you are asking. So let's leave this conversation here. Meet you in another conversation. Perhaps english isn't your best language. Some folk can speak several languages... they must be really Intelligent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:13:51 GMT -5
I don't understand what you are asking. So let's leave this conversation here. Meet you in another conversation. Perhaps english isn't your best language. Some folk can speak several languages... they must be really Intelligent. Yes I am not intelligent, correct. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 3:14:56 GMT -5
As already said .. Your still not seeing that you can't possibly know that another can verify their own existence without knowing that they can . If you know that they can then you can know that they exist ..If you can't know if they exist or not you can't know that they can know of their own existence ..
Gopal has said everybody else in the whole universe might be illusory, only Gopal being real. It could be only One consciousness, and Gopal are ~real~. Or half could be real, half imaginary. Why do you care what Gopal thinks? That's what's weird.Getting to the heart of one's understandings isn't weird .. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 3:19:40 GMT -5
Your still not seeing that you can't possibly know that another can verify their own existence without knowing that they can . If you can't know if they exist or not you can't know that they can know of their own existence .. What you say is consistent with gopal's position. No it isn't, I said to G man that he is still not seeing that he can't possibly know that another can verify their own existence without knowing that they can . If you know that they can be aware of their own existence then you can know that they exist ... If he can't know if they exist or not then he can't know that they can know of their own existence .. ( and yet he can) .. that being my point . |
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