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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 0:08:42 GMT -5
Of course, all egos do that. Its called awakening to self. ... or not ..  .. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:11:02 GMT -5
what do think happen with Max here? an honest misread?.. lack of attention?.. unconscious? My sense was that he's feeling disagreeable (toward me, at least) and decided to just f*ck with me. Not sure what I did, but then again, I don't care. Your I has been hurt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:15:35 GMT -5
Was that your pet-theorie speaking through you?  I understand how that reads like a theory to you and many others, sure.  You have to use your imagination to try get a feel for what such an absence would be like. There's plenty of cliched metaphorical examples that have been used dozens of times in the thread already. Do you have to use your imagination to feel? Here, use my hammer on your thumb. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:19:03 GMT -5
Of course, all egos do that. Its called awakening to self. ... or not .. .. The great thing about learning without the Other being present is that another is NOT as important as what they think they are, when they're striving to help others. |
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Post by preciocho on Jul 18, 2016 0:21:18 GMT -5
Ok-but I will distinguish between moving away from someone who is causing anger, and getting to the root emotion within oneself of why one is angry in the first place. I would call the latter clarity. Often anger is a defense mechanism to a feeling of sadness or grief. And yes, in the expression of sadness or grief (causal emotion), the tendency to be 'triggered' dissipates immensely, and likewise, the tendency to attract other human energy fields with similar unhealed injuries unconsciously resonating with our own unexpressed pain.
I did not say moving away from someone, I said other people would be moved away when we reach clarity. Those people would be moved away when we resolve our inner conflict. Moving away is not possible. Welp, you can move away from a perceived cause of anger, like a rude employer or co-worker, or even a reckless driver. I was distinguishing between that and unhealed causal emotions which bring point of attraction into alignment with those sorts of people or experiences. If causal emotion is healed, point of attraction changes, along with the tendency to be triggered in the first place.
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 0:21:44 GMT -5
I understand how that reads like a theory to you and many others, sure. You have to use your imagination to try get a feel for what such an absence would be like. There's plenty of cliched metaphorical examples that have been used dozens of times in the thread already. Do you have to use your imagination to feel? Here, use my hammer on your thumb. No I don't have to use my imagination to feel, but in this case, you most definitely do. If you have no experiential point of reference for something, you can only imagine it. Since the notion that it's possible for one to be conscious of the absence of any existential theory is something you consider theoretical, it's something you obviously have no experiential point of reference for. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 0:23:02 GMT -5
... or not .. .. The great thing about learning without the Other being present is that another is NOT as important as what they think they are, when they're striving to help others. Oh are you engaging in some sort of fantasy that one of us is helping the other in this dialog? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:26:09 GMT -5
I did not say moving away from someone, I said other people would be moved away when we reach clarity. Those people would be moved away when we resolve our inner conflict. Moving away is not possible. Welp, you can move away from a perceived cause of anger, like a rude employer or co-worker, or even a reckless driver. I was distinguishing between that and unhealed causal emotions which bring point of attraction into alignment with those sorts of people or experiences. If causal emotion is healed, point of attraction changes, along with the tendency to be triggered in the first place.
the last sentence is sweet. Not having an issue with anger, I do see your point... which some folk mistake as a prick. RU male or female(but don't look now!)? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:34:55 GMT -5
The great thing about learning without the Other being present is that another is NOT as important as what they think they are, when they're striving to help others. Oh are you engaging in some sort of fantasy that one of us is helping the other in this dialog? Perhaps you need to help me understand Double Bind... first?  |
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 0:40:27 GMT -5
Oh are you engaging in some sort of fantasy that one of us is helping the other in this dialog? Perhaps you need to help me understand Double Bind... first? We already did that a few weeks ago, and my guess is that you remember that just fine.  I was conscious of presenting you with a double bind here, were you conscious of the double bind you attempted to concoct here? (I can do this all night  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:53:45 GMT -5
Perhaps you need to help me understand Double Bind... first? We already did that a few weeks ago, and my guess is that you remember that just fine. I was conscious of presenting you with a double bind here, were you conscious of the double bind you attempted to concoct here? (I can do this all night ) NOT at all. When you laid it on-me I haven't yet heard your explanation about what D/B might mean. I am so GLAD you can do this, as then you will be helping me at last. Perhaps one day I may even be able to reciprocate in the far-away future or the here-now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 1:11:46 GMT -5
Perhaps you need to help me understand Double Bind... first? We already did that a few weeks ago, and my guess is that you remember that just fine. I was conscious of presenting you with a double bind here, were you conscious of the double bind you attempted to concoct here? (I can do this all night )  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 1:18:45 GMT -5
I did not say moving away from someone, I said other people would be moved away when we reach clarity. Those people would be moved away when we resolve our inner conflict. Moving away is not possible. Welp, you can move away from a perceived cause of anger, like a rude employer or co-worker, or even a reckless driver. I was distinguishing between that and unhealed causal emotions which bring point of attraction into alignment with those sorts of people or experiences. If causal emotion is healed, point of attraction changes, along with the tendency to be triggered in the first place.
Yes, but that would be another creation then. Moving away is escaping! It would start to repeat! Yes, this is what I have been talking about. When we reach to the clarity that 'Nothing can be done from our conscious level', all our actions drop away and the related situation would get collapses and people those who continue to bring those emotions would be moved away. If you want to say something Or If you want to contradict my point, you are invited here. I would like to discuss here. It's very rare to see people those talk about "Point of attraction into alignment ". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 1:38:52 GMT -5
Welp, you can move away from a perceived cause of anger, like a rude employer or co-worker, or even a reckless driver. I was distinguishing between that and unhealed causal emotions which bring point of attraction into alignment with those sorts of people or experiences. If causal emotion is healed, point of attraction changes, along with the tendency to be triggered in the first place.
Yes, but that would be another creation then. Moving away is escaping! It would start to repeat! Yes, this is what I have been talking about. When we reach to the clarity that 'Nothing can be done from our conscious level', all our actions drop away and the related situation would get collapses and people those who continue to bring those emotions would be moved away. If you want to say something Or If you want to contradict my point, you are invited here. I would like to discuss here. It's very rare to see people those talk about "Point of attraction into alignment ". If you were to replace(those) with (that) in our last sentence, you may see somebody whose POINT of attraction is either shallow or at depth. Which is it Gopal? With regards getting-clear, loosing your girlfriend/boyfriend/ Mother or Father to say nothing about your brothers an sisters would bring about a cleansing that would certainly benefit your expressions of interest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 1:40:33 GMT -5
We already did that a few weeks ago, and my guess is that you remember that just fine. I was conscious of presenting you with a double bind here, were you conscious of the double bind you attempted to concoct here? (I can do this all night ) I like the levitating massage table also. Quite an artist. |
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You have to use your imagination to try get a feel for what such an absence would be like. There's plenty of cliched metaphorical examples that have been used dozens of times in the thread already. 
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