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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 23:13:05 GMT -5
You've never heard of seeing through illusions??  Are you asking another rhetorical question? Yes |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 23:28:24 GMT -5
Time and space don't exist until you experience them. Same as sun and moon. Yes. Stated a different way, time, space, sun, and moon don't exist until they are imagined. If the mind is silent, the eyes only see the actual--the physical world as a unified field of being. The eyes do not distinguish separate things; the intellect, alone, is what distinguishes separate things by abstracting boundaries and thereby imagining a world of form and void. Time and space are like lines of latitude and longitude--imaginary grids cognitively projected and imposed upon the physical world for purposes of measurement and calculation. Eyes don't exist, all physical things are just appearance. Eyes are not seeing, eyes are seen as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 23:32:18 GMT -5
Yes diverting by some means, for an example, moving our focus to present moment or diverting away from the actual situation. The whole situation and the people those who are the cause of anger. When we reach to clarity, those people would be moved awayfrom our life. Whole situation collapses without our effect. Exactly, that's what I meant. I think I got another person in this forum to support my notion. So far, Enigma is the only person who supports my notion, and you are the second one. These meditating guys haven't seen this truth. Ok-but I will distinguish between moving away from someone who is causing anger, and getting to the root emotion within oneself of why one is angry in the first place. I would call the latter clarity. Often anger is a defense mechanism to a feeling of sadness or grief. And yes, in the expression of sadness or grief (causal emotion), the tendency to be 'triggered' dissipates immensely, and likewise, the tendency to attract other human energy fields with similar unhealed injuries unconsciously resonating with our own unexpressed pain.
I did not say moving away from someone, I said other people would be moved away when we reach clarity. Those people would be moved away when we resolve our inner conflict. Moving away is not possible. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 23:39:22 GMT -5
I am not sure where is the confusion? Gopal,Laughter,Pilgrims,Enigma are persons and persons are appearing in consciousness. Consciousness is the real perceiver, MIND IS appearing in consciousness, Consciousness is looking at the movement of thoughts(Mind) and movement of perceptions(Outer world appearances). But you see, all this makes us all not-real. (Some of us could be real, but you wouldn't know who was real and who not). I tried to ask more fully in post above, if it does not make sense, never mind. But the basic point is you cannot possibly operate from such a metaphysics, in ordinary life. So why have it at all? The whole point of all of this malarkey is to say you are not a person. You're free to disagree, but why suddenly act all incredulous when somebody says it out loud? |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 23:43:23 GMT -5
The idea is that when something is not being perceived, it is not objectively 'out there' waiting to be perceived. Obviously, you don't get to personally decide what is perceived. If Bakk is standing in front of a mirror perceiving herself, it doesn't matter whether you are perceiving her or not. Exactly my point in that is doesn't matter if I perceive her or not, if bakk can verify her existence then that is all that matters . If my spirit guides or my spirit ancestors can verify their own existence, then they don't cease to exist on the premises that I can't perceive them .. That is the no brainer, non starter that I have emphasised .. Okay. I had no idea that point was in contention. I'll let you argue it with whoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 23:44:04 GMT -5
Ruby is the scripting language(computer language like Java). I work here as a Ruby Coder. Fantastic. This is a field I can honestly say,"I know NOTHING about." Back to my painting on canvas which presents dripping blood like a Ruby Necklace about the neck of an Aborigine male whom the British be-headed(like Henry the 8ths swordsman) May reveal it to you one day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 23:46:40 GMT -5
Ruby is the scripting language(computer language like Java). I work here as a Ruby Coder. Nah, it's just a figment  If it fetches the dollar, its ok untill ones Life-work takes over.  |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 23:47:59 GMT -5
are yous guys trying to figure out why we resist, or aren't you? why are you ducking this question? [not rhetorical]Okay, so, like, anybody can misread a sentence, but what in blazes is up with quoting it repeatedly, parsing it, highlighting it, and still not reading it correctly? It's an extreme example, but it happens here on a daily basis. what do think happen with Max here? an honest misread?.. lack of attention?.. unconscious? My sense was that he's feeling disagreeable (toward me, at least) and decided to just f*ck with me. Not sure what I did, but then again, I don't care. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 23:51:12 GMT -5
You're missing the point, which was not about mashed potatoes. You said it's a shame in this conversation, but deny whining and say you're just stating facts. You missed the point as why I used mash potatoes as a point .. I can eat mash with lumps in without whining .. How could I possibly have missed your point? Then why can't you discuss on the forum without whining? Maybe just pretend we're serving lumpy mashed potatoes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 23:51:57 GMT -5
It's interesting how some accuse you of being repetitive rather than acknowledging the significance of knowing there is only THIS. It's the doorway to Self that peeps are continually being dragged away from by Mr Mind. I don't mind, it's all good, it's all consciousness anyway. Kinda sad though to see the attention fixated on the limited consciousness when unlimited consciousness is a hairs breath away.  Thought is split consciousness source, your hair-breath apart(so long you are NOT bald). Before thought, consciousness is complete the ego dangling in mid-air awaiting descent back into the Zero the mind arises from. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:00:09 GMT -5
Time and space don't exist until you experience them. Same as sun and moon. Yes. Stated a different way, time, space, sun, and moon don't exist until they are imagined. If the mind is silent, the eyes only see the actual--the physical world as a unified field of being. The eyes do not distinguish separate things; the intellect, alone, is what distinguishes separate things by abstracting boundaries and thereby imagining a world of form and void. Time and space are like lines of latitude and longitude--imaginary grids cognitively projected and imposed upon the physical world for purposes of measurement and calculation. Initially, the intellect imagines thingness (form and void). Then, it imagines symbols (words or numbers) which can represent physical things. Later, it imagines relationships and qualities exhibited by things and then symbols for representing those relationships and qualities. Eventually, the intellect creates a vast imaginary simulation of reality--a meta-reality--, and as they grow from childhood to adulthood, humans gradually interact with their mental simulation of reality far more than the physical world. This is what we mean when we say that an adult "lives in his or her head." The average adult, therefore, lives in a kind of surreal trancestate in which the mental meta-reality projected by the intellect influences his or her actions as much, or more, than whatever is happening in the physical world. Tolle and other sages advise people to shift attention away from the meta-reality, and the mindtalk that is part of the meta-reality, to the actuality of whatever is physically happening. This is a shift away from imagining to direct sensory perception and pure being. Selfhood is probably the most powerful product of imagination, and it is only when attention is shifted away from imagination for a sustained period of time that this imaginary projection can be seen for the illusion that it is. The pathless path is a journey away from living in an imaginary meta-reality to being Reality, Itself. It is a journey out of the head to a non-intellectually-oriented way of life. It is being here now as a present moment movement of the entire cosmos. THIS is IT, and we are THIS, and there is nothing other than THIS. Fortunately, THIS can be realized. The actualisation of THIS world without words is what the child (who has yet to affix to its parents-language) uses when they call the Moon another name... like my Son did, he calling a spider a gibbitta. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:04:17 GMT -5
Exactly. I don't know why some here let Gopal annoy them. We all have our own little pet theories that we are convinced are true. We are all "Gopals", we just haven't figured that out yet. Well no, not everyone here is attached to some theory. It's possible to be conscious of the absence of any such pattern. Was that your pet-theorie speaking through you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:05:34 GMT -5
Of course, all egos do that. Its called awakening to self. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 0:07:33 GMT -5
Well no, not everyone here is attached to some theory. It's possible to be conscious of the absence of any such pattern. Was that your pet-theorie speaking through you? I understand how that reads like a theory to you and many others, sure.  You have to use your imagination to try get a feel for what such an absence would be like. There's plenty of cliched metaphorical examples that have been used dozens of times in the thread already. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:08:17 GMT -5
Serially? He's talking nonsense. It's a new international soccer team: "Hyperminding Hamsters United" ... a frog came to mind. |
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You have to use your imagination to try get a feel for what such an absence would be like. There's plenty of cliched metaphorical examples that have been used dozens of times in the thread already.