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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:42:18 GMT -5
I have no idea what you are talking about. How could you anything beyond appearance? Other individual is also appearing in your consciousness like any other thing, If so, how would you know other individuals are real? Or they are having consciousness like you? You can't right? I agree. There is only what appears in consciousness. But there can be an expressed understanding of it because we have a personal aspect. What's the problem. |
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Post by zendancer on May 13, 2015 9:45:03 GMT -5
Wholla: You're on the right track, but just watch what's happening rather than think about what's happening. You're also correct about knowing the truth "in your bones" (Adya calls the three levels "intellect," "heart," and "guts."), but I like your phraseology better. When you know that you are reality, itself, "in your bones," you won't have to think about it, and you will not worry about death. You will understand that there is no entity separate from reality that is born or dies. What you are looks out of the eyes of every living thing, and it is possible to know this without any doubt. At a certain point you will discover that what you imagined as your personal identity was a figment of imagination--a very powerful illusion--, and you will then be free. PURE NONSENSE because it's just speculation, while you can't know whether individual is real or figment how could you make such a conclusion. You are talking Pure nonsense, if you just stop advising others and try to look for yourself then you could find what nonsense you are talking here, but I know you never do because you are coming here to advice other and you never look or read what others say. I responded to Wholla because he's open-minded. He's interested in something that lies beyond the intellect, and if he keeps searching, I suspect that he'll find it. Some people want to know the truth in their heads, but some people want to know the truth in their bones. I'm interested in the ones who want to know it in their bones. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:47:59 GMT -5
How could you anything beyond appearance? Other individual is also appearing in your consciousness like any other thing, If so, how would you know other individuals are real? Or they are having consciousness like you? You can't right? But there can be an expressed understanding of it because we have a personal aspect. What's the problem. When you agree this, you can't make nonsense and stupid conclusion like "What you are looks out of the eyes of every living thing" because this statement assumes that other individual exists but ultimately you can't know. So Zendancer as usual made a nonsense conclusion, he doesn't even know the meaning of consciousness, that' what when I say to him consciousness reads these letters, he wouldn't reply to me, because he is ignorant of the terms,that's what my foremost intention to raise that question to him, when he knows the truth that he made a stupid conclusion he wouldn't continue, that's the zendancer technique.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:58:29 GMT -5
I agree. There is only what appears in consciousness. But there can be an expressed understanding of it because we have a personal aspect. What's the problem. When you agree this, you can't make nonsense and stupid conclusion like "What you are looks out of the eyes of every living thing" because this statement assumes that other individual exists but ultimately you can't know. So Zendancer as usual made a nonsense conclusion, he doesn't even know the meaning of consciousness, that' what when I say to him consciousness reads these letters, he wouldn't reply to me, because he is ignorant of the terms,that's what my foremost intention to raise that question to him, when he knows the truth that he made a stupid conclusion he wouldn't continue, that's the zendancer technique. If you read the poetic exposition of the nature of reality as expressed by human sages in the Upanishads you would think that is nonsense too. Who cares what you think? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:59:41 GMT -5
PURE NONSENSE because it's just speculation, while you can't know whether individual is real or figment how could you make such a conclusion. You are talking Pure nonsense, if you just stop advising others and try to look for yourself then you could find what nonsense you are talking here, but I know you never do because you are coming here to advice other and you never look or read what others say. I responded to Wholla because he's open-minded. He's interested in something that lies beyond the intellect, and if he keeps searching, I suspect that he'll find it. Some people want to know the truth in their heads, but some people want to know the truth in their bones. I'm interested in the ones who want to know it in their bones. You are still not noticing where I am pointing at, you keep on advising, advising, you never listen to others huh? Not even once I have seen you listening to others, you want somebody to advice and that's what you are here, you would never listen. I am saying other individual is real or not can't be known, so your conclusion stem from the conclusion that other individuals are real. See sachithanantha , he immediately recognizes what I am writing, he is suggesting some other view because he is reading, but you never read, you would like to advise advise advise , don't worry some people would be left out for you. So try to hear from others from next time on wards. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:04:01 GMT -5
When you agree this, you can't make nonsense and stupid conclusion like "What you are looks out of the eyes of every living thing" because this statement assumes that other individual exists but ultimately you can't know. So Zendancer as usual made a nonsense conclusion, he doesn't even know the meaning of consciousness, that' what when I say to him consciousness reads these letters, he wouldn't reply to me, because he is ignorant of the terms,that's what my foremost intention to raise that question to him, when he knows the truth that he made a stupid conclusion he wouldn't continue, that's the zendancer technique. If you read the poetic exposition of the nature of reality as expressed by human sages in the Upanishads you would think that is nonsense too. Who cares what you think? We are not talking about belief here, we are talking about certainty, what can be known for certain? you know you exist and you know everything is appearing to you, you can't know anything beyond that, other individual is a figment or read can't be known ultimately, So deriving conclusion or assuming from wrong place doesn't work out here. We need to carefully look rather than simply deriving imaginary conclusion in the way zendancer does. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:10:11 GMT -5
If you read the poetic exposition of the nature of reality as expressed by human sages in the Upanishads you would think that is nonsense too. Who cares what you think? We are not talking about belief here, we are talking about certainty, what can be known for certain? you know you exist and you know everything is appearing to you, you can't know anything beyond that, other individual is a figment or read can't be known ultimately, So deriving conclusion or assuming from wrong place doesn't work out here. We need to carefully look rather than simply deriving imaginary conclusion in the way zendancer does. Of course as far as direct knowing is concerned, you can only know what is happening in the moment. But I'm sure ZD would agree with that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:12:05 GMT -5
We are not talking about belief here, we are talking about certainty, what can be known for certain? you know you exist and you know everything is appearing to you, you can't know anything beyond that, other individual is a figment or read can't be known ultimately, So deriving conclusion or assuming from wrong place doesn't work out here. We need to carefully look rather than simply deriving imaginary conclusion in the way zendancer does. Of course as far as direct knowing is concerned, you can only know what is happening in the moment. But I'm sure ZD would agree with that. He he, he wouldn't even understand what I am writing, he only know how to talk nonsense he he |
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Post by zendancer on May 13, 2015 12:42:09 GMT -5
We are not talking about belief here, we are talking about certainty, what can be known for certain? you know you exist and you know everything is appearing to you, you can't know anything beyond that, other individual is a figment or read can't be known ultimately, So deriving conclusion or assuming from wrong place doesn't work out here. We need to carefully look rather than simply deriving imaginary conclusion in the way zendancer does. Of course as far as direct knowing is concerned, you can only know what is happening in the moment. But I'm sure ZD would agree with that. Correct. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 12:42:23 GMT -5
When you agree this, you can't make nonsense and stupid conclusion like "What you are looks out of the eyes of every living thing" because this statement assumes that other individual exists but ultimately you can't know. So Zendancer as usual made a nonsense conclusion, he doesn't even know the meaning of consciousness, that' what when I say to him consciousness reads these letters, he wouldn't reply to me, because he is ignorant of the terms,that's what my foremost intention to raise that question to him, when he knows the truth that he made a stupid conclusion he wouldn't continue, that's the zendancer technique. If you read the poetic exposition of the nature of reality as expressed by human sages in the Upanishads you would think that is nonsense too. Who cares what you think? And there in lays the problem for human beings. The conditioned habit of caring more about what they think, embedded with identity(Spiritual as well), then caring about the presence of this moment, where Life is actually unfolding. |
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Post by zendancer on May 13, 2015 12:54:48 GMT -5
Gopal: You're a smart fellow. Surely you can see that I'm not remotely interested in your ideas. If you have attained peace of mind, then that's great. Relax and enjoy life. You seem incredibly certain that I can't be certain, but here's the point------I don't care about that idea either! Go have some fun, and stop thinking so much; you'll be lots happier. ha ha
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 12:57:31 GMT -5
Of course as far as direct knowing is concerned, you can only know what is happening in the moment. But I'm sure ZD would agree with that. Correct. Hey stop speaking for people, you are doing this all the time, because you always need a support, Sat is completely agreeing with me, Can you do that? You can't because you need to advise otherwise your advise would be stopped which is intolerable for you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 12:59:27 GMT -5
If you read the poetic exposition of the nature of reality as expressed by human sages in the Upanishads you would think that is nonsense too. Who cares what you think? And there in lays the problem for human beings. The conditioned habit of caring more about what they think, embedded with identity(Spiritual as well), then caring about the presence of this moment, where Life is actually unfolding. Have you ever seen integrated movement of life? What's your experience? How do you know freewill is illusion? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 13:02:08 GMT -5
Hey stop speaking for people, you are doing this all the time, because you always need a support, Sat is completely agreeing with me, Can you do that? You can't because you need to advise otherwise your advise would be stopped which is intolerable for you. Zd is not speaking for people, he is speaking for what people are and not their habit of playing out past conditioning. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 13:06:30 GMT -5
And there in lays the problem for human beings. The conditioned habit of caring more about what they think, embedded with identity(Spiritual as well), then caring about the presence of this moment, where Life is actually unfolding. Have you ever seen integrated movement of life? What's your experience? How do you know freewill is illusion? If I give your mind answers it will formulate new questions, then it will require more answers so that it can formulate even more new questions. Stop following thought around like a puppy dog and get in touch with the presence right now that you keep overlooking. |
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