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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:09:18 GMT -5
By watching what happens this raises the question of who is watching. That in turn will point you towards what you really are. Yep, that makes sense to me too. I will say though, that if we're basically okay with the remnants of ego that play themselves out, that extra strategy becomes null and void. Any strategy the mind conceives of has been predetermined. So the only way to be free of this is to go to that which is prior to mind which cannot be predetermined because it is outside the field of causality. Only the relative can be subject to predetermination. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:09:39 GMT -5
The strategy should be to do nothing and watch what happens. Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. Okay you watch as sca states and let me know whether you could come out of that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:12:10 GMT -5
Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. Okay you watch as sca states and let me know whether you could come out of that. There is nothing to come in or go out of because everything is just consciousness. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:14:55 GMT -5
Yep, that makes sense to me too. I will say though, that if we're basically okay with the remnants of ego that play themselves out, that extra strategy becomes null and void. Any strategy the mind conceives of has been predetermined. So the only way to be free of this is to go to that which is prior to mind which cannot be predetermined because it is outside the field of causality. Only the relative can be subject to predetermination. Some body strategies could be said to be predetermined in the sense that when an itch arises the movement is to scratch it. The pressure to go pee arises and the movement is to relieve it. The same is true for unhappiness and irritation, the movement is to address these sensations/feelings, what differs from individual to individual is how they are addressed. Some lash out, some just 'be' with it, some go eat some food...it varies. There's no freedom from certain body programs, but it is possible to intelligently and harmoniously function, or 'work with' these body programs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:16:55 GMT -5
Any strategy the mind conceives of has been predetermined. So the only way to be free of this is to go to that which is prior to mind which cannot be predetermined because it is outside the field of causality. Only the relative can be subject to predetermination. Some body strategies could be said to be predetermined in the sense that when an itch arises the movement is to scratch it. The pressure to go pee arises and the movement is to relieve it. The same is true for unhappiness and irritation, the movement is to address these sensations/feelings, what differs from individual to individual is how they are addressed. Some lash out, some just 'be' with it, some go eat some food...it varies. There's no freedom from certain body programs, but it is possible to intelligently and harmoniously function, or 'work with' these body programs. It was predetermined that you would write this post. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:19:32 GMT -5
Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. Okay you watch as sca states and let me know whether you could come out of that. I'm not saying that this body would watch necessarily, but it does make sense to me, and it might be something this body would do from time to time. Sometimes 'detachment' in this way is useful. Most of the time, when there is sadness, I allow myself to feel it fully, I allow it to move through the body. If there is irritation, there are different things I might do, some might be internal, some might be external. What do you mean 'come out of that'? 'Come out of that' to where? |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:20:09 GMT -5
Some body strategies could be said to be predetermined in the sense that when an itch arises the movement is to scratch it. The pressure to go pee arises and the movement is to relieve it. The same is true for unhappiness and irritation, the movement is to address these sensations/feelings, what differs from individual to individual is how they are addressed. Some lash out, some just 'be' with it, some go eat some food...it varies. There's no freedom from certain body programs, but it is possible to intelligently and harmoniously function, or 'work with' these body programs. It was predetermined that you would write this post. Meh. Maybe, maybe not. I would more likely say it was 'probable'. I tend to prefer to think in terms of choice than choicelessness (but not always). |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:22:28 GMT -5
It was predetermined that you would write this post. Meh. Maybe, maybe not. I would more likely say it was 'probable'. I can't find anyone here who is doing anything. So if there no person here doing anything, who is? |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:23:18 GMT -5
Meh. Maybe, maybe not. I would more likely say it was 'probable'. I can't find anyone here who is doing anything. So if there no person here doing anything, who is? Bodies do stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:29:20 GMT -5
I can't find anyone here who is doing anything. So if there no person here doing anything, who is? Bodies do stuff. Yes, mind/body mechanisms just do stuff, but it is the non doing of being which can never be understood or rationalized by the mind which is what preoccupies the minds on this forum. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:37:20 GMT -5
Yes, mind/body mechanisms just do stuff, but it is the non doing of being which can never be understood or rationalized by the mind which is what preoccupies the minds on this forum. lol yes. As I see it, 'the non-doing of being' is only relevant and important to the extent that it relates to individuals functioning in a more harmonious and intelligent way. If the idea is useful, and 'realization' leads to greater inner and external harmony and intelligence, I'm all for it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:43:38 GMT -5
Yes, mind/body mechanisms just do stuff, but it is the non doing of being which can never be understood or rationalized by the mind which is what preoccupies the minds on this forum. lol yes. As I see it, 'the non-doing of being' is only relevant and important to the extent that it relates to individuals functioning in a more harmonious and intelligent way. If the idea is useful, and 'realization' leads to greater inner and external harmony and intelligence, I'm all for it. That's a bit like saying the ocean is useful in being able to produce a wave. I'm all for waves so let's have an ocean to go with it. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:54:52 GMT -5
lol yes. As I see it, 'the non-doing of being' is only relevant and important to the extent that it relates to individuals functioning in a more harmonious and intelligent way. If the idea is useful, and 'realization' leads to greater inner and external harmony and intelligence, I'm all for it. That's a bit like saying the ocean is useful in being able to produce a wave. I'm all for waves so let's have an ocean to go with it. In contrast to the animal kingdom, the human organism has an advanced ability to rationally think. This has enabled us to create beautiful works of art and music, and create devastating weapons of war that are then used. It is ideas that principally change the way the body reacts and responds, that change our inner and external experience, and change the world. If the 'wave and ocean' idea is a useful one, then great. If the idea of 'non-doing of being' is a useful one, then great. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:57:14 GMT -5
That's a bit like saying the ocean is useful in being able to produce a wave. I'm all for waves so let's have an ocean to go with it. In contrast to the animal kingdom, the human organism has an advanced ability to rationally think. This has enabled us to create beautiful works of art and music, and create devastating weapons of war that are then used. It is ideas that principally change the way the body reacts and responds, that change our inner and external experience, and change the world. If the 'wave and ocean' idea is a useful one, then great. If the idea of 'non-doing of being' is a useful one, then great. I think you missed the point of the analogy. |
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Post by tzujanli on May 15, 2015 5:58:00 GMT -5
Meh. Maybe, maybe not. I would more likely say it was 'probable'. I can't find anyone here who is doing anything. So if there no person here doing anything, who is? Because 'you' can't find anyone is a result of 'your' confirmation bias, you find what you are looking for, you create the illusion then pretend it's real.. |
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