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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:35:57 GMT -5
What do you mean, what happens? What 'strategy' does the body engage with to deal with it. In the case of an itch, scratch it. In the case of unhappiness...then what? The ego has to reassert itself. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:36:10 GMT -5
Is present in his experience. There is a feeling of discomfort, of unease because the ego has been disaffected in some way from asserting itself. That is why the egoless state is free from such feelings of alienation and suffering. Maybe. But didn't you say that certain feelings of discomfort arise in your experience, irritation for example? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:38:56 GMT -5
There is a feeling of discomfort, of unease because the ego has been disaffected in some way from asserting itself. That is why the egoless state is free from such feelings of alienation and suffering. Maybe. But didn't you say that certain feelings of discomfort arise in your experience, irritation for example? Yes, even knowing the Self leaves remnants of ego in a living body. But it is as a drop in the ocean of being which is beyond any differentiation. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:39:55 GMT -5
This whole conversation that's unfolding between me, you and sca is very funny. I'm glad that made you laugh. True True True, It's really funny, I am enjoying the conversation with you and Sca well. Yes correct No, it's a problem, you gave birth to the allower. No, anything you do is the problem, but this problem would lead to the realization then it's not the problem, whether it would lead to the realization or not is not in your hand, but it's in God's hand.  What do you see as the difference between the noticer of the sadness and the allower of the sadness? What do you see as the difference between the allower of the sadness and the scratcher of the itch? My understanding is that the body will naturally seek to address a sensation of discomfort or pressure. So when unhappiness arises for you, do you tell yourself something perhaps? Maybe that it's ordained, or in God's hands or something like that? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:40:17 GMT -5
Is present in his experience. There is a feeling of discomfort, of unease because the ego has been disaffected in some way from asserting itself. That is why the egoless state is free from such feelings of alienation and suffering. What is ego here? |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:40:50 GMT -5
What 'strategy' does the body engage with to deal with it. In the case of an itch, scratch it. In the case of unhappiness...then what? The ego has to reassert itself. What do you mean? The ego has to reassert itself in order to address the unhappiness? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:43:29 GMT -5
True True True, It's really funny, I am enjoying the conversation with you and Sca well. Yes correct No, it's a problem, you gave birth to the allower. No, anything you do is the problem, but this problem would lead to the realization then it's not the problem, whether it would lead to the realization or not is not in your hand, but it's in God's hand. What do you see as the difference between the noticer of the sadness and the allower of the sadness? What do you see as the difference between the allower of the sadness and the scratcher of the itch? My understanding is that the body will naturally seek to address a sensation of discomfort or pressure. noticer,allower all are problem, it all came into being when you do. yes In the past I do, but nowadays this teller has gone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:45:09 GMT -5
The ego has to reassert itself. What do you mean? The ego has to reassert itself in order to address the unhappiness? Attachment to objects is separation because it is moving away from what you truly are. The ego wants to reassert itself which perpetuates even more the sense of unhappiness. Temporary relief comes when the mind in exasperation momentarily surrenders and reconnects with being. But unfortunately this goes mostly unnoticed and the cycle begins again. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:46:29 GMT -5
Maybe. But didn't you say that certain feelings of discomfort arise in your experience, irritation for example? Yes, even knowing the Self leaves remnants of ego in a living body. But it is as a drop in the ocean of being which is beyond any differentiation. Okay, in this case, it sounds like there isn't really an actual 'egoless state'. This idea might have value as a kind of pointer or teaching tool, but in reality, ego still happens to some extent, and the body registers these traces of ego in different ways. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:51:05 GMT -5
What do you see as the difference between the noticer of the sadness and the allower of the sadness? What do you see as the difference between the allower of the sadness and the scratcher of the itch? My understanding is that the body will naturally seek to address a sensation of discomfort or pressure. noticer,allower all are problem, it all came into being when you do. yes In the past I do, but nowadays this teller has gone. But you do notice unhappiness, right? You do notice the itch, right? I'm not understanding the difference between noticing an itch and then the body acting to relieve it, and noticing sadness and then the body acting to relieve it. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:52:22 GMT -5
What do you mean? The ego has to reassert itself in order to address the unhappiness? Attachment to objects is separation because it is moving away from what you truly are. The ego wants to reassert itself which perpetuates even more the sense of unhappiness. Temporary relief comes when the mind in exasperation momentarily surrenders and reconnects with being. But unfortunately this goes mostly unnoticed and the cycle begins again. So what strategy should the body undergo to address irritation or sadness, that doesn't engage with that cycle? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:55:59 GMT -5
Attachment to objects is separation because it is moving away from what you truly are. The ego wants to reassert itself which perpetuates even more the sense of unhappiness. Temporary relief comes when the mind in exasperation momentarily surrenders and reconnects with being. But unfortunately this goes mostly unnoticed and the cycle begins again. So what strategy should the body undergo to address irritation or sadness, that doesn't engage with that cycle? The strategy should be to do nothing and watch what happens. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:57:00 GMT -5
So what strategy should the body undergo to address irritation or sadness, that doesn't engage with that cycle? The strategy should be to do nothing and watch what happens. Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 5:00:06 GMT -5
The strategy should be to do nothing and watch what happens. Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. By watching what happens this raises the question of who is watching. That in turn will point you towards what you really are. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 5:02:27 GMT -5
Okay, thank you. That answers the question in a way that makes sense to me. By watching what happens this raises the question of who is watching. That in turn will point you towards what you really are. Yep, that makes sense to me too. I will say though, that if we're basically okay with the remnants of ego that play themselves out, that extra strategy becomes null and void. |
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