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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:18:47 GMT -5
No, it's being created by consciousness out of wrong belief that you could resolve the problem, so resolver would come into being. But the real problem is this resolver. Are you saying that your body never gets an itch? I mean literally, your skin gets a bit itchy and so you scratch it. Man you are making me laugh heavily. yes Man I would scratch it, but it's not suffering, but I wouldn't say it's not suffering when some one come and chop off your hand. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:19:12 GMT -5
I guess you are not in Earth? Are you in Earth which is a spherical shape? Unhappiness is only an inevitable part of life as long as you are ignorant of your true nature. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:20:13 GMT -5
I guess you are not in Earth? Are you in Earth which is a spherical shape?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:20:53 GMT -5
If he says it arises, why is he wrong? Because he refers to it as a tangible thing. In reality unhappiness is a result of separation. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:21:26 GMT -5
Is unhappiness the same thing as sadness to you? When sadness arises here, I tend to become a bit quiet, I notice it and allow it, and recognize what I am feeling sad about...maybe there will be tears. In the old days, if sadness arose, I would have possibly done something different. It doesn't matter what you do with your sadness. Is it who you are, is the only important question. I'm still addressing the 'removing or gaining' issue, so it matters in the conversation I am having. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:22:13 GMT -5
No no, unhappiness is not a problem, when you see a movie, you would get unhappy when some sad situation happens, would you take a walk inside the cinema theater to remove your unhappiness?huh? When sadness arises here, I tend to become a bit quiet, I notice it and allow it, and recognize what I am feeling sad about...maybe there will be tears. In the old days, if sadness arose, I would have possibly done something different. All these action which you are doing is the real problem. Those are all mind creations. I would differentiate every other feeling from suffering, suffering is the one which you would like to avoid or which you would like to come out, rest of the feelings are just feelings. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:27:07 GMT -5
Are you saying that your body never gets an itch? I mean literally, your skin gets a bit itchy and so you scratch it. Man you are making me laugh heavily. yes Man I would scratch it, but it's not suffering, but I wouldn't say it's not suffering when some one come and chop off your hand. This whole conversation that's unfolding between me, you and sca is very funny. I'm glad that made you laugh. Right, so scratching an itch is not a problem. Noticing and allowing sadness to express itself is not a problem either, I guess? Both are the body's way of relieving (or removing) a sensation or feeling, and gaining relief, right? So I am addressing whether the movement to 'gain or remove' is necessarily a problem. The body naturally addresses discomfort and seeks relief. As I see it, there are some more effective ways than others to do so. Some feel sad, and then drink a bottle of whisky. Not good. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:28:04 GMT -5
If he says it arises, why is he wrong? Because he refers to it as a tangible thing. In reality unhappiness is a result of separation. Maybe, but it's still part of his experience, so I'm asking what happens when it arises. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:28:47 GMT -5
Because he refers to it as a tangible thing. In reality unhappiness is a result of separation. Maybe, but it's still part of his experience, so I'm asking what happens when it arises. Define rising. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:31:55 GMT -5
When sadness arises here, I tend to become a bit quiet, I notice it and allow it, and recognize what I am feeling sad about...maybe there will be tears. In the old days, if sadness arose, I would have possibly done something different. All these action which you are doing is the real problem. Those are all mind creations. I would differentiate every other feeling from suffering, suffering is the one which you would like to avoid or which you would like to come out, rest of the feelings are just feelings. Okay, so what does your body do when sadness arises? There is a noticing of it obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be aware that there is sadness. What happens then? What I notice is that when certain sensations/feelings arise in this body, the body seeks to address them in some way. The body seems to seek harmony, resonance, ease. When there is something that is counter to that, the body acts to address it. Even if it is just scratching an itch. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:31:58 GMT -5
Because he refers to it as a tangible thing. In reality unhappiness is a result of separation. Maybe, but it's still part of his experience, so I'm asking what happens when it arises. What do you mean, what happens? |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:32:19 GMT -5
Maybe, but it's still part of his experience, so I'm asking what happens when it arises. Define rising. Is present in his experience. |
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Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 4:34:24 GMT -5
Maybe, but it's still part of his experience, so I'm asking what happens when it arises. What do you mean, what happens? What 'strategy' does the body engage with to deal with it. In the case of an itch, scratch it. In the case of unhappiness...then what? |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:34:59 GMT -5
Is present in his experience. There is a feeling of discomfort, of unease because the ego has been disaffected in some way from asserting itself. That is why the egoless state is free from such feelings of alienation and suffering. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:35:49 GMT -5
Man you are making me laugh heavily. yes Man I would scratch it, but it's not suffering, but I wouldn't say it's not suffering when some one come and chop off your hand. This whole conversation that's unfolding between me, you and sca is very funny. I'm glad that made you laugh. True True True, It's really funny, I am enjoying the conversation with you and Sca well. Yes correct No, it's a problem, you gave birth to the allower. No, anything you do is the problem, but this problem would lead to the realization then it's not the problem, whether it would lead to the realization or not is not in your hand, but it's in God's hand. |
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