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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:16:27 GMT -5
I spend a lot of time in nature, and I don't see animals with the kind of physical, emotional and survival issues that most humans have. I'm sure you can find a Youtube video to contradict that, in which case I suggest you take your own advice. I've spent most of my life outdoors, a Land Surveyor specializing in large acquisitions for preservation projects, and as a participant in the natural wonder of it all.. as one animal is "guided, cared for, fed and protected", another becomes its food, often in what appears to be a brutal process, but also a brutal beauty.. the movement is indeed singular and integrated, and by necessity comprised of individuated parts that integrate, some willingly, some resisting, but all are included in the process happening.. To choose part over whole or whole over part is to create an artificial limitation in the mind's understanding.. the actual happening is the relationship between those understandings, which when the mind is still and clear the relationships are revealed in the absence of the part/whole perspective.. ..and the concepts of relationships and understandings are also absent... |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 12:06:54 GMT -5
E not sdp said: Do you mean to imply that's a problem? sdp said: Nope. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 12:13:35 GMT -5
are you sure its clay...  Well whatever it's a lump of it was stardust at some point, right??   sd-p |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 12:33:00 GMT -5
are you sure its clay... Wha.......what else... could it be?  We are all just fertilizer*, in the end (discounting a way to preserve information+). |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 12:46:54 GMT -5
Why are you telling me what you think I experience? Cant you see the absurdity of that without considering that you might be projecting something of relevance for you which has nothing to do with my context whatsoever? amit Now you're in toadal defense mode, which is actually an improvement over your disingenuous psuedo detachment, but you did just launch an attack against somebody just trying to clarify an idea. It's not really about you. Thanks. ...........Yea, I was a little stumped as how to respond. This morning it came to me. I would tell amit that I didn't mean to deny his experience. (I didn't perceive it as an attack, BTW. I perceived that he felt I had attacked him, which wasn't my intention. .........Yea, I was exploring the issue). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 14:30:52 GMT -5
I've spent most of my life outdoors, a Land Surveyor specializing in large acquisitions for preservation projects, and as a participant in the natural wonder of it all.. as one animal is "guided, cared for, fed and protected", another becomes its food, often in what appears to be a brutal process, but also a brutal beauty.. the movement is indeed singular and integrated, and by necessity comprised of individuated parts that integrate, some willingly, some resisting, but all are included in the process happening.. To choose part over whole or whole over part is to create an artificial limitation in the mind's understanding.. the actual happening is the relationship between those understandings, which when the mind is still and clear the relationships are revealed in the absence of the part/whole perspective.. Yes, death is part of life, and nature is not terrified of it as humans are. I understand the comments now about Disneyland forest and such, but to be cared for does not mean to live forever, and nobody really wants that anyway. Mind cannot make one live beyond his time, though it can interfere with the natural process so as to bring it on prematurely.Hi enigma, if mind has no control over how long I live, how can it have control over how soon I die? Since we are being lived, wouldn't the length of ones life be dependent on the intentions of the Universe and not the mind? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 15:35:59 GMT -5
Yes, death is part of life, and nature is not terrified of it as humans are. I understand the comments now about Disneyland forest and such, but to be cared for does not mean to live forever, and nobody really wants that anyway. Mind cannot make one live beyond his time, though it can interfere with the natural process so as to bring it on prematurely.Hi enigma, if mind has no control over how long I live, how can it have control over how soon I die? Since we are being lived, wouldn't the length of ones life be dependent on the intentions of the Universe and not the mind? I can think of one way mind interferes with the natural process and can bring on premature death. Suicide. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -5
Hi enigma, if mind has no control over how long I live, how can it have control over how soon I die? Since we are being lived, wouldn't the length of ones life be dependent on the intentions of the Universe and not the mind? I can think of one way mind interferes with the natural process and can bring on premature death. Suicide. Hi stardustpilgrim, so you believe the puppet can jump off the cliff on his own? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2015 17:26:48 GMT -5
I can think of one way mind interferes with the natural process and can bring on premature death. Suicide. Hi stardustpilgrim, so you believe the puppet can jump off the cliff on his own? I think that's an odd question. (People don't commit suicide?) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 18:20:09 GMT -5
Hi stardustpilgrim, so you believe the puppet can jump off the cliff on his own? I think that's an odd question. ( People don't commit suicide?) stardustpilgrim, what I mean is, is it the mind that jumps off the cliff or is it the intention of Nature? As in someones time was up and it appeared as a suicide. I don't know. That's why I was asking you why you thought the mind had anything to do with it. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2015 20:00:08 GMT -5
Now you're in toadal defense mode, which is actually an improvement over your disingenuous psuedo detachment, but you did just launch an attack against somebody just trying to clarify an idea. It's not really about you. Thanks. ...........Yea, I was a little stumped as how to respond. This morning it came to me. I would tell amit that I didn't mean to deny his experience. (I didn't perceive it as an attack, BTW. I perceived that he felt I had attacked him, which wasn't my intention. .........Yea, I was exploring the issue). Sometimes we turn into hammers, and everything starts looking like a nail.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2015 20:15:09 GMT -5
Yes, death is part of life, and nature is not terrified of it as humans are. I understand the comments now about Disneyland forest and such, but to be cared for does not mean to live forever, and nobody really wants that anyway. Mind cannot make one live beyond his time, though it can interfere with the natural process so as to bring it on prematurely.Hi enigma, if mind has no control over how long I live, how can it have control over how soon I die? Since we are being lived, wouldn't the length of ones life be dependent on the intentions of the Universe and not the mind? Good question. When we say the person is 'being lived', we're referring to a natural unfolding that happens in the absence of self delusion. Self delusion is also part of creation unfolding, but maybe not in a natural way. Mind never has control because even the self delusion is part of conditioning, but conditioning can run counter to what I call the spontaneous self supporting structure of nature. I mean to differentiate between a life driven by conditioning, and a life lived in harmony with man's essential nature. I didn't mean to say anything about control. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2015 20:17:48 GMT -5
Hi enigma, if mind has no control over how long I live, how can it have control over how soon I die? Since we are being lived, wouldn't the length of ones life be dependent on the intentions of the Universe and not the mind? I can think of one way mind interferes with the natural process and can bring on premature death. Suicide. Or we might be thinking so hard about how to keep ourselves safe, we fail to notice we're walking off a cliff.  |
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 12, 2015 21:06:06 GMT -5
I've spent most of my life outdoors, a Land Surveyor specializing in large acquisitions for preservation projects, and as a participant in the natural wonder of it all.. as one animal is "guided, cared for, fed and protected", another becomes its food, often in what appears to be a brutal process, but also a brutal beauty.. the movement is indeed singular and integrated, and by necessity comprised of individuated parts that integrate, some willingly, some resisting, but all are included in the process happening.. To choose part over whole or whole over part is to create an artificial limitation in the mind's understanding.. the actual happening is the relationship between those understandings, which when the mind is still and clear the relationships are revealed in the absence of the part/whole perspective.. Yes, death is part of life, and nature is not terrified of it as humans are. I understand the comments now about Disneyland forest and such, but to be cared for does not mean to live forever, and nobody really wants that anyway. Mind cannot make one live beyond his time, though it can interfere with the natural process so as to bring it on prematurely. Mind 'can' interfere, and mind 'can' arrange information for a beneficial result.. the key is understanding mind's relationship with the experiencer's existence, and the holistic interconnectedness of all that is.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 12, 2015 21:25:30 GMT -5
I've spent most of my life outdoors, a Land Surveyor specializing in large acquisitions for preservation projects, and as a participant in the natural wonder of it all.. as one animal is "guided, cared for, fed and protected", another becomes its food, often in what appears to be a brutal process, but also a brutal beauty.. the movement is indeed singular and integrated, and by necessity comprised of individuated parts that integrate, some willingly, some resisting, but all are included in the process happening.. To choose part over whole or whole over part is to create an artificial limitation in the mind's understanding.. the actual happening is the relationship between those understandings, which when the mind is still and clear the relationships are revealed in the absence of the part/whole perspective.. ..and the concepts of relationships and understandings are also absent... To a still mind, yes they are.. it is in the intention to communicate 'about' the experiences that the active mind influences the communication.. if the experiences are filtered through beliefs/expectations when they are experienced, then the active mind has only distorted information as it's reference for what is happening, and understanding is similarly distorted.. |
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