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Post by earnest on Feb 11, 2015 16:56:54 GMT -5
If I count to ten in my head, it's only ever happening now. I'm not sure if I'm missing the point entirely here (not enough sleep and haven't eaten breakfast  ) Read my responses to amit.....they are my response to you. It's not Easter yet... What do eggs have to do with anything?!? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 11, 2015 16:59:38 GMT -5
Read my responses to amit.....they are my response to you. It's not Easter yet... What do eggs have to do with anything?!? I think that post was to enigma. Yep, double-checked. |
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Post by amit on Feb 11, 2015 17:00:40 GMT -5
Why is it so difficult to get that what some consider a problem is no problem whatsoever to someone else. amit I would suggest you reply to the OP and say, no problem, I always exist in the present moment........in fact, I don't know what you're talking about. (Sorry if I missed that earlier response). I suggest you ask why rather than suggest.  amit |
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Post by earnest on Feb 11, 2015 17:09:42 GMT -5
It's not Easter yet... What do eggs have to do with anything?!? I think that post was to enigma. Yep, double-checked. Heh all good, just being silly. |
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Post by earnest on Feb 11, 2015 17:11:39 GMT -5
If I count to ten in my head, it's only ever happening now. I'm not sure if I'm missing the point entirely here (not enough sleep and haven't eaten breakfast ) You're not missing anything that I can see. It's always now, even when we're thinking of the past or the future.
 Time is just borrowed presence. It just so happens that nature has extended humanity an overabundant credit line.  Yep, no more complicated than that. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 17:32:31 GMT -5
You're not missing anything that I can see. It's always now, even when we're thinking of the past or the future.
Time is just borrowed presence. It just so happens that nature has extended humanity an overabundant credit line. Yep, no more complicated than that. It's the answer to an eggsistential question.   |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 21:03:08 GMT -5
I know what you are getting at by 'singular integrated movement', but I can't help but think you might benefit from taking a break from the Disneyland forest, and going to a real forest! I spend a lot of time in nature, and I don't see animals with the kind of physical, emotional and survival issues that most humans have. I'm sure you can find a Youtube video to contradict that, in which case I suggest you take your own advice. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 21:05:53 GMT -5
andrew said: I know what you are getting at by 'singular integrated movement', but I can't help but think you might benefit from taking a break from the Disneyland forest, and going to a real forest! sdp said: No....!...!...!....... you don't mean where one animal eats another in a long food chain.........  And, the attributions got mixed up in the post above, E top, Andrew below. . Do you mean to imply that's a problem? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 21:16:57 GMT -5
Yes. Not thinking of past and future is what it means to be present. In your opinion for you maybe but not for me. amit You can define it in any way that makes you giddy, but you're not going to understand the discussion. Your view is a common misunderstanding of what is meant by 'being present'. |
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 11, 2015 21:28:18 GMT -5
I can't find anything outside of what's happening now. Thinking about yesterday or tomorrow is still happening now. Now is the occasion of existence happening, possibility becoming reality through our experience of it.. If your mind is thinking about yesterday or tomorrow, the input of now is distorted through the lens of distracted awareness, muddled with inert memories and conditional predictions.. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 21:30:54 GMT -5
amit, I just read your post, the time says you wrote it 50 minutes ago. The words you wrote go back many years, you don't even remember when you learned the meaning of the words. Those words and the meaning necessarily exist in the past. You couldn't draw on their use unless they existed in the past in your memory, in your neural structure (have you ever tried to learn a second language?, you'll understand what I mean). So a word is a copy of an event, a description of an event. Imagine sitting with a blind friend, you are watching a tennis match and are describing to your friend the action. The action is, yes, in the present moment. But the description of the action cannot coincide simultaneously with the action, necessarily. Likewise, any time language is used there is the same problem. The time factor can be narrowed, but language is always a copy, time is always a factor. This is what E and ZD (and some others) are continually pointing out....in that.........most of us live with this internal inner dialogue going on in the head. Therefore, almost invariably, if you are thinking, you are not in the present moment (psychologically, experientially, subjectively), even though the events happening in the brain are happening in the present moment. Likewise, reading this post, subjectively, you are not in the present moment (unless you are). ...........Seeing the difference is why it's so cool to...actually...be...in...the...present...moment. Why are you telling me what you think I experience? Cant you see the absurdity of that without considering that you might be projecting something of relevance for you which has nothing to do with my context whatsoever? amit Now you're in toadal defense mode, which is actually an improvement over your disingenuous psuedo detachment, but you did just launch an attack against somebody just trying to clarify an idea. It's not really about you. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 21:33:56 GMT -5
Why bother telling me there's something I haven't mentioned unless you intend to mention it? Did you ever go on an Easter egg hunt as a kid? (or give one). What's the most important thing to do? Count the eggs before you hide them, that's the only way to know if all the kids have found all the eggs, or not. I'm just saying one egg is missing. I don't care if you hunt for it or not. (But it's pretty obvious, once it's obvious, like finding the last egg). Yes, I've been on a couple of these Easter egg hunts with you. They can go on for pages, and in the end it's just a lump of clay. |
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Post by earnest on Feb 11, 2015 21:42:01 GMT -5
I can't find anything outside of what's happening now. Thinking about yesterday or tomorrow is still happening now. Now is the occasion of existence happening, possibility becoming reality through our experience of it.. If your mind is thinking about yesterday or tomorrow, the input of now is distorted through the lens of distracted awareness, muddled with inert memories and conditional predictions.. I understand what you're saying, but I also disagree with it. I can sit quietly with a cup of tea and watch thoughts come and go like tendrils of steam coming off the tea. Some of those thoughts may be memories, some may be predictions, but nothing is disturbed. I can also get totally lost, and frequently do!  |
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Post by earnest on Feb 11, 2015 21:44:25 GMT -5
Did you ever go on an Easter egg hunt as a kid? (or give one). What's the most important thing to do? Count the eggs before you hide them, that's the only way to know if all the kids have found all the eggs, or not. I'm just saying one egg is missing. I don't care if you hunt for it or not. (But it's pretty obvious, once it's obvious, like finding the last egg). Yes, I've been on a couple of these Easter egg hunts with you. They can go on for pages, and in the end it's just a lump of clay. are you sure its clay...  |
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 21:59:38 GMT -5
I know what you are getting at by 'singular integrated movement', but I can't help but think you might benefit from taking a break from the Disneyland forest, and going to a real forest! I spend a lot of time in nature, and I don't see animals with the kind of physical, emotional and survival issues that most humans have. I'm sure you can find a Youtube video to contradict that, in which case I suggest you take your own advice. Don't mess with goofy man, he's got a mean left hook.  |
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