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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 21:00:49 GMT -5
We had parakeets when I was a kid, and they were always talking to the mirror....only disgusting thing is when they'd blerp up their seed, ha ha. When I was a kid one Sunday morning when we were headed out to church, one of the funniest and weirdest things I had ever seen and have seen. There was a male Cardinal fighting itself in the bumper of our car. He obviously thought he was fighting another bird. Funny and sad. We watched him a while but we had to break up the fight, by leaving.  sdp Hmmm....thats the third odd bird thing in my experience today...When I was out earlier, a little black bird with bright yellow eyes kept trying to land on my head and hold onto my arm...wouldn't me alone until I sat down, then he landed very close and just stared at me...and every time I tried to get up to leave he would do it all over again. |
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Post by enigma on May 16, 2014 21:02:30 GMT -5
Just checked my own sign-up, and it was 1 year later to the day. Not that it means anything, just interesting. In any event, I'm not clear what that story has to do with anything. You can still be bored. Anyway....just saying all this isn't from being bored. sdp Okay, just wondering. |
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Post by enigma on May 16, 2014 21:09:39 GMT -5
We had parakeets when I was a kid, and they were always talking to the mirror....only disgusting thing is when they'd blerp up their seed, ha ha. When I was a kid one Sunday morning when we were headed out to church, one of the funniest and weirdest things I had ever seen and have seen. There was a male Cardinal fighting itself in the bumper of our car. He obviously thought he was fighting another bird. Funny and sad. We watched him a while but we had to break up the fight, by leaving. sdp I don't spose you remember what the sermon was about.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 21:37:20 GMT -5
I know, my point is who is the one that isn't missing the separate self? Just like thought that claims it was there in deep sleep, it is thought that is claiming it doesn't miss itself. Not really. Thought isn't an entity, nor does it have any existence by which it can legitimately make claims. It would be like saying a computer made a claim or came to it's own conclusion. There must be an Intelligence that actually thinks that thought regardless of the thoughts as to where it may come from. When you ask who makes a claim, you are addressing that Intelligence, though the question is misconceived since it supposes the need for an actuality of a separate 'who'? Yes, my understanding is that thought or mind is not an entity. But the intelligence you speak of is infinite, limitless, and free. So by definition freedom means that it can appear as that which is finite, limited and bound. A claim making thought about it's whereabouts in deep sleep is an example of the finite, limited boundary veiling Reality. |
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Post by enigma on May 16, 2014 21:41:45 GMT -5
Not really. Thought isn't an entity, nor does it have any existence by which it can legitimately make claims. It would be like saying a computer made a claim or came to it's own conclusion. There must be an Intelligence that actually thinks that thought regardless of the thoughts as to where it may come from. When you ask who makes a claim, you are addressing that Intelligence, though the question is misconceived since it supposes the need for an actuality of a separate 'who'? Yes, my understanding is that thought or mind is not an entity. But the intelligence you speak of is infinite, limitless, and free. So by definition freedom means that it can appear as that which is finite, limited and bound. A claim making thought about it's whereabouts in deep sleep is an example of the finite, limited boundary veiling Reality. Appearances can be deceiving. Thoughts may appear to be making claims, but they are not. |
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Post by laughter on May 16, 2014 22:00:53 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you? sdp Using an alternating substitution cypher where the odd characters are advanced 7*i letters (where i is the ith odd character) and the even characters are advanced by 2+3i letters (where i is the ith even letter), we get the following: A-T-A-M-T 1 - 20 - 1 - 13 - 20 1+(7*1) = 8 20 + (2+3*1) = 25 1 + (7*2) = 15 13 + (2 + 3*2) = 21 20 + (7*3) = 41 % 26 = 15 8 - 25 - 15 - 21 - 15 H - Y - O - U - O Given the above, I think its obvious where Y-O-U is in ATA-MT.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 22:22:54 GMT -5
Hasta manana.
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Post by topology on May 16, 2014 22:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by quinn on May 17, 2014 4:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 9:52:02 GMT -5
SDP, "What are you not experiencing the (non)absence of right now?" = "What are experiencing the absence of right now?" = "What are you not experiencing right not?" empty, I do wish you would sometimes read your posts after you post and edit. You write (my edit), "What are you not experiencing right no w?" For everybody: For any particular person, for anybody, at any particular time, I don't know if you are experiencing this, or not (I'll hereafter refer to the answer as this). What's significant is not to recognize the shift from experiencing to not experiencing, this, so as not to be able to answer the question, nobody (excepting zd). sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 10:07:34 GMT -5
As already stated, you (plural, IOW, virtually everybody) regularly do not experience the (non)absence of this, every day. And, what is missed is never missing. And, if I told you, you would not believe me.
As all of this has already been stated, no new clues here.
As trying to solve a riddle hasn't helped, and I have said it isn't a riddle anyway, not a joke, I'm quite serious. Consider it a koan.
I'm sorry if that seems unfair to those not versed in koans. For those, a western pitch, Descartes was wrong.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 11:03:06 GMT -5
OK, I promised to start with the hints. First of all, I did sneak in some hints last night and likewise this morning.
For the first hint I decided to relate my first experience of Douglas Harding, probably about 20 years ago. Because of this (how I will refer to the answer), the Headless Way made no sense to me, it didn't work for me. No matter how hard I tried, I could not make myself headless. If you have his book, look at the pictures........
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 11:07:20 GMT -5
Everybody has at some time in their life, stumped their toe or bumped their head. Why?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 17, 2014 11:21:48 GMT -5
OK, last one for a while.
We all have heard that when an ostrich wants to hide, he buries his head in the sand. Why doesn't this work?
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Post by topology on May 17, 2014 11:29:10 GMT -5
OK, last one for a while. We all have heard that when an ostrich wants to hide, he buries his head in the sand. Why doesn't this work? sdp  I dunno, they might be able to pass for a shrubbery out in the Savannah. |
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